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2013-07-27, 19:46 | Link #2062 | |
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You have a Fate/Zero avatar. You should know that catering to a fanbase to make piles of money doesn't detract from a show's quality. If it's well made, it's well made, nothing to do about it. Hyouka is indeed the best of the three shows, but at least K-On!! has insane merit on its own. I can see an argument against Nichijou for failing as a comedy, because it does, but it's still a very ambitious, multi-faceted work and I enjoyed many aspects of it. |
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2013-07-27, 21:08 | Link #2063 | ||
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2013-07-27, 21:17 | Link #2064 | ||
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Why can't the anime industry create things that I like, such as [insert nostalgic Toonami anime here]?! Why can't Japanese people at least try to appeal to international tastes?! Anime is dead. |
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2013-07-28, 00:02 | Link #2065 | ||
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I used Hollywood superhero movies as an example because they also have some of the most cutting edge special effects. It's ultimately a hollow shell though. Sure, it can't hurt, but it cannot account for a poorly written or directed story.
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2013-07-28, 02:11 | Link #2066 | ||
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So KyoAni anime are the equivalent of soulless Hollywood blockbusters? Wow. That is honestly the first time I've heard that comparison. |
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2013-07-28, 02:38 | Link #2067 | ||
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Sorry, I didn't realize it was one. Thanks for enlightening me that my opinion is in fact an opinion. My entire world is now collapsing because I just realized this fact. Oh wait, nvm.
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2013-07-28, 03:17 | Link #2068 | |
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Same thing with Nichijou. I could appreciate the high-quality animation, but the bizarro humor was lost on me. I should note here that I never watch anime solely for animation, like some of you sakuga geeks do. Sakuga has the same standing to me as the story or character execution, or other technical aspects of a work. As for K-ON* ... When you say "K-On!! has insane merit on its own," the statement tries to insert that while K-ON! was a good slice-of-life show, K-ON!! was even better than that, conveniently seting up the franchise as the best the kuuki-kei genre can offer, when in reality it's only a sentiment of a fan who thinks the second series was better than the first. I also disagree with the premise, as there have been works before K-ON! that did exactly the same. One might say KyoAni was drawing from works such as Ichigo Mashimaro or Gakuen Utopia Manabi Straight! to mold its current formula. To be honest, I don't see much difference between Manabi or K-ON!, except that the latter has taken a page out of AKB48's manual. The "has merit" part is just the KyoAni animation power house moving into the cute girls doing cute things territory. There was nothing new or exciting about it at the time, except that KyoAni is really good at animating guitars. I think the general sentiment that's been expressed many times in this thread is that we all want to see KyoAni top the best anime out there, as it has all the potential to do that, but we disagree on the approach it's taking right now. I'm not going to insult them with constructive criticism, I'm just going to reject what they dish out. Hopefully they decide to take my money with some future show that's not going to be about high school, spring of youth bullshit or their usual running gags. |
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2013-07-28, 03:19 | Link #2069 |
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@Kaisos Erranon:
I find it very cute that you dismiss statements that you disagree with as "opinion" but then try to package your own statements as "objective". Not just in this Kyoto Animation thread but in other threads as well, such as the Nagi no Asu Kara one where you splurted this objectivity nonsense as well. What is objective anyway? Majority opinion? Well, the majority of Kyoto Animation series have split reactions so it's damn hard to find objectivity in that. Sales? Then Uta no Prince Sama S2 is apparently the best objective anime of this year in the TV side of things with its whopping 60k+ sales for its first volume. Yes, it even exceeded even Attack on Titan. Ratings? Then Gintama is considered the best according to MAL last time I checked. See what the problem with all this objectivity preaching you're trying to preach? Everything is a damn opinion, so stop trying to make your own sound objective whilst dismissing as others as opinion. My opinion is as valid as Reckoner's as is valid as Warm Mist's as is yours. So your opinion that everything Kyoto Animation is gold and that they are "half a decade" in front of other studios is just that, an opinion. My thoughts on Kyoani? Great visuals, great male characters most of the time, but lacking in their female characters (ever since Key adaptation days to now), severely lacking in genre and setting diversity (Only FMP and Munto "non" slice of life and I think all but one or two were set in high school). They also implement a certain type of high school antic comedy, which although is funny at times, gets very tiresome and repetitive eventually. Also their character design aesthetic tend to blow most of the time, but I'll give them a bit of slack here since a significant number of series use that A-1 Pictures Kannagi/Sora no Woto look, which Kyoani didn't "invent" in the first place when adapting K-on. Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2013-07-28 at 04:27. |
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If you're phrasing your opinions as though they have the same weight as facts, you're doing it wrong.
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2013-07-28, 04:09 | Link #2071 | |
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Really? Then you shouldn't spend so much time obsessing over animation and perhaps take a look at the content of the works you're supposedly a fan of.
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2013-07-28, 04:11 | Link #2072 |
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It's interesting to note that Kanon 2006 is better animated than most of the stuff Kyoani does in the present. K-ON, Nichijou, Tamako Market...I'm sorry, but these shows are not impressive enough in production value or even aesthetic value to be up to par with some of the more impressive looking anime of the modern era, much less a decade ahead of them. Hyouka is the only one I'll give credit for. In a sense, Kyoani's quality has been degrading, not improving. So perhaps other studios have finally caught up to them, since they haven't improved over the last decade.
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Why are you still continuing trying to defend your opinions as fact, whilst any statements you disagree with as opinion. It's contradictory and stupid. Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2013-07-28 at 04:46. |
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2013-07-28, 04:22 | Link #2074 |
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What I recall is that when K-On was coming, we still didn't know what studio was making it. We were guessing A-1 from the designs. Then people started complaining that Haruhi was looking too much like K-On even though the logical art process was Haruhi - Lucky Star - Kannagi - K-On - Haruhi, with maybe some KEY derived elements from Kanon and CLANNAD thrown in.
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2013-07-28, 05:03 | Link #2075 | |
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People suspecting that K-ON! might've been another Ordet project because the character designs was kinda similar to Kannagi's, I would say Mio's design mostly. But as shown in the show itself it wasn't really all "that" similar. Sora no Woto's design clearly leans more into the K-ON camp than kannagi's, not even debatable. And Kannagi's character design was done by Ordet not A-1, Ordet has the creative process while A-1 provided the grunt work... not to mention it was faithful to the manga designs anyway. A-1 copied K-ON for Sora no Woto, much to the lamentation of Mel Kishida fans. You don't look @ the Kannagi manga and go, wow these look similar to K-ON's characters, whereas the K-on/SnW comparisons are numerous, and heck having Kanata act like Yui while looking like her obviously didn't fucking help. |
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2013-07-28, 05:09 | Link #2077 |
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This is true: the first season of K-On! was cheap as heck compared to the second one. I've recently rewatched the show when the movie came out and the difference is night and day. Sure it was KyoAni but it was pretty much done on a shoestring budget. There are some scenes in particular where the show almost goes into super deformed mode. I remember one in particular in the first episode I believe with Yui running down the stairs where the term Moe-blob almost becomes literal.
Oh and btw I'll fully admit it: I liked K-On as a fan of Iyashikei and find it to be a rather good example of the genre. It's no Aria but it's pretty good on it's own.
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