2016-06-28, 01:12 | Link #2141 | |
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I generally agree. Puck actually makes some interesting remarks that lend some creditance to this particular line of thought such as fact she's no real friend outside Subaru and that she has gone though several tragedies before meeting with Roswaal. The fact she was blaffed that Subaru accepted her hertiage and appearnce so naturally is pretty telling to what her disposition to everyone that isn't Puck is normally like. It's no wonder Emilia gravitated towards him because even though she thought he was rather odd person Subaru was probably one of few people to look past fact she was half-elf who shared an appearnce to once known greatest threat to the world. I think ties in nicely to why in part she took position of wanting equality she as King, because as some who's personally suffered due to being misunderstood because of fear it's natural that she want to work towards culitavting a society of more open-minded people like Subaru. I don't it's hopeless relationship though, especially if Subaru could eventually win over someone who once harbored enough animosty to kill him and managed to assuage said person inferiority complex to a degree. But it's going to require a change on his part this time and how he apporaches her. Last edited by Applehell; 2016-06-28 at 02:04. |
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2016-06-28, 03:39 | Link #2142 |
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Emilia is the most generic and basic character you've ever seen? Well then, I guess you're lucky that you've never seen worse character than her coz there are actually millions and tons of other female characters which are a lot more generic than Emilia including the ones in popular series like SAO, Highschool DxD, and countless of others .
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2016-06-28, 04:43 | Link #2143 | |
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I don'treally think she misinterpret things at all though here. In first place there is no reason to think Subaru get any actual benefit from getting half-killed everytime. Subaru did all these things for "self-satisfaction" in this particular case and Emilia correctly pointed on it. For trust by that point Subaru already lost it. Maybe not Irredeemably, but lot regardless. And I think she doesn't think he helping her because status either. She has problem with being put on pedestal and it doesn't matter why. It also is matter of unconditional love, because person Subaru loves is not Emilia anyway, it is perfect image of Emilia. No wonder she rejected him there.
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2016-06-28, 05:58 | Link #2144 | ||||
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In arc 2 she is only aware of what happened in the last reset. - Spends all the time trying to fake being happy-go-lucky, fooling no one - Breaks down into tears, talking about all sorts of problems that she doesn't know anything about. - He asks the maids to go to the village, insists in fact. Shortly after he comes back from the village, he insists on returning but doesn't explain why. When they arrive they learn that the barrier around the village has been broken and the villagers have been kidnapped. Both him, Rem and Ram almost get killed until Roswaal saves them at the last minute. - He never explains anything In arc 3. - Subaru promised to stay in the house. He immediately breaks that promise, for no good reason, and makes a big fuss at the meeting - The one time she took Subaru out of the city, she leaves Subaru alone for about 10 minutes and finds him in the presence of Priscilla, another candidate for the throne. Later on, he somehow gets Priscilla to bring him with her into the meeting. He never explains this - Subaru kept insisting that he did everything for her. However, he's doing it, at least partially, for his own satisfaction. - He keeps saying that she should understand, that she should be willing to accept him no matter what. Because she's "Emilia". - He never explains anything How is it reasonable for her to blindly trust him? I don't think it would be as much as a problem if trusting Subaru didn't require so much trust. If Subaru acted more sensibly then she wouldn't need to invest as much trust. Quote:
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2016-06-28, 06:01 | Link #2145 |
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It's fun trying to read were the overall narrative going with this.
I think a major overall narrative theme is going to to Subaru and Emilia slowly forming a true bond. We still know shockingly little about Emilia really (Contrast her with Rem and Ram). But I think that's because her arc going to be dragged over the course of the whole story, while other cast members arcs will be within the story (Rem/Ram for example). My narrative gut says she needs to learn about 'Return by Death' before the story done, but gut says that will be a huge game changer when it happens, and lead directly into a serous change in arc structure. From what some of the other side characters have been saying, it doesn't look like it's a complete new or unknown power either, so my guess is that fit somewhere in the whole dragon/witch/priestess thing in a important way. On this arc, I think Sabaru going to have to learn how to navigate court politics.. by dying >.< Likely learning some insight into what he needs to undo the f**k up he made with Emilia. |
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As far as going back, your claim that he didn't explain the reason why is completely and totally false. He explains in very specific detail exactly why he wants to go back to the village, and he explains his motivations for wanting to do so. Again, Ram caved to the request pretty quickly because, well, she's not going to argue with Beatrice saying he's cursed, and with saving Roswaal's villagers. It was then at this point that they did, as you say, discover that the children had been kidnapped and that the barrier had been broken. As I stated though this didn't happen until after they all went shopping in the village, and after it was made known that the dog in the village had cursed him. Quote:
I don't disagree out of hand. There are legitimate reasons for Emilia to not fully trust Subaru in the sense that she can't trust him to follow her orders. Along those same lines though, why is Emilia treating him the way she does and why has she been practically ordering him around for half this series now? As is often the case, there's not really a right or wrong answer to this. They're both idiots, and given their individual histories (in the case of Subaru, what we assume his history is) their inability to foster a respectful relationship with one another isn't terribly surprising. Quote:
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As for whether or not Roswaal is trying to distance Subaru from Emilia, that's purely conjecture, and from where I'm sitting there's more evidence to the contrary than there is supporting this idea. If Roswaal wanted Subaru gone, he doesn't need to play the long game and self-destruct their relationship with some clever manipulation. Heck, assuming Roswaal isn't aware of his ability, he could've just straight-up let Subaru die to the mabeasts by delaying for a couple of extra seconds. Nobody would've known a thing.
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Just because they decided to ignore it doesn't mean they've forgotten about it.
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There was no mention of Betty telling everyone that he was cursed. If she did then there is another suspicious point. He went to Betty the moment he came back from the village and said "I'm pretty sure I've been cursed". How could he possibly know that? Quote:
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That fact that he's been helping her all this time, stranger, for no good reason, is suspicious in itself. "Everyone" doesn't understand Subaru. At least not to the extent that he needs Emilia too. Most of the cast simply haven't interacted with Subaru that much to the point where understanding is an issue. Puck is possible an exception but Puck is a spirit. I don't know what kind of values he has but he probably just trusts what he feels from Subaru. And just because he trusts him, doesn't mean he really understands him either. Also, the fact that Puck understands Subaru's interest in Emilia isn't the same thing as understanding him overall. Quote:
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At this point, I feel like I've devoted half this post to clearing up your many errors you've made in remembering what has actually happened in this show up until now. If you're going to take the time to try and actually discuss something with someone, that shouldn't happen. Only one of us here has actually taken the time to go back and rewatch many of these scenes to verify what has happened, and that's not how it should be. Please take the time to educate yourself on these matters if you're going to try and argue them, otherwise it shatters your credibility and makes it hard for people to trust what you've said.
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2016-06-28, 10:59 | Link #2149 | |
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So even if she rejects him or leaves him, it doesn't mean she doesn't care for him or hates him. It's actually the opposite. It's clear to me that she cares about him deeply. Hence she was so upset he kept endangering himself for her. (Sometimes goodbye is a word of love.) |
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2016-06-28, 13:41 | Link #2151 |
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From Emilia's perspective, that might have been the only way to stop Subaru from getting into trouble. She doesn't know him and doesn't understand him, so the only thing she could do was reject him.
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2016-06-28, 14:13 | Link #2152 |
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Boy, in this thread it pays to not be part of the tl;dr crowd!
Funny thing is that I believe that the overwhelming majority of what has been posted so far is correct even from opposing views. It's causing my brain to hurt. At the beginning, I was taken in by the cute interactions among Emilia, Puck and Subaru and now continue to crave an occasional fix. Starting to wonder if this is such a "meat grinder" of a story that getting any further cute fixes will even be possible. (Not forgetting Rem and Ram of course.) GoT, indeed! |
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2016-06-28, 15:49 | Link #2155 |
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Admittedly, they're doing a REALLY good job of portraying Subaru's continually breaking state.
That said, it's making it really unfun to watch. I was wholly uncomfortable/disgusted with him the whole episode. While it's no surprise his repeated deaths and his real state mind have yet to be properly addressed-- largely due to the fact he's physically not able to have anyone else help him decompress/process, you'd think he'd have retained SOME of the good character development that had come out of the past dozen episodes. It's as if he threw it all away, then bought a shovel to dig himself a hole even deeper. And that is what probably pissed me off the most.
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You make it sound so easy. Try throwing yourself off a cliff and get back to me. |
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