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Madara | 104 | 32.91% | |
Madara’s Son | 14 | 4.43% | |
Madara’s Clone | 30 | 9.49% | |
Madara’s Ghost/Soul/Poltergeist given shape... | 33 | 10.44% | |
Obito | 59 | 18.67% | |
Obito’s Body, but not really Obito... | 55 | 17.41% | |
Someone else’s body (not Obito’s)... | 21 | 6.65% | |
Zetsu’s Love Child... | 23 | 7.28% | |
Tobirama/Sarutobi/or anyone with a 'tobi' in their name... | 16 | 5.06% | |
Bruce Wayne or other… | 69 | 21.84% | |
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2012-03-07, 01:49 | Link #781 | |
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The issue that needs to be explained is how Tobi was so easily able to control Kurama with his Sharingan. Both Minato and Jiraiya came to the conclusion that the only one capable of doing that was Madara. There's also the issue of Tobi knowing so much information that only Madara could know. Plus, Tobi has been referring to himself as Madara. I think someone pointed out that he does this even when there's no one else around. So, the best explanation I can think of is that Madara's memories/chakra were implanted into the person that is Tobi. Now, in the context of Obito Theory, it means that those memories/chakra were implanted into Obito. And the way that the timeline works out, Obito would have been only an infant at the time of Madara's death. So, if a chakra/memory transfer took place, it would have involved Madara sealing part of himself inside a newborn Obito (not unlike the time when Minato sealed a portion of himself inside a newborn Naruto). Quote:
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2012-03-07, 11:51 | Link #783 |
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The latest chapter pretty much rules out Izuna as Tobi. Madara says on ch 577 page 7: "after my brother died he only left me his eyes and their power" he wouldn't say this if Izuna was Tobi.
So yea, all the Obito theory haters just lost one of their biggest fallback characters who never had much proof to be tobi in the first place... |
2012-03-07, 14:21 | Link #784 | |
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2012-03-07, 14:44 | Link #785 |
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madara says himself that he died shortly after achieving rinnegan. we know he met or knew of nagato and that nagato got his rinnegan eyes. there isn't much leeway there considering that we also know roughly how old nagato was when he first used them. so hiking bear is pretty dead on with the timeline for madara's life i think
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2012-03-07, 14:45 | Link #786 | |
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Also, you said Madara died in his 30s, which is definitely not right. That's about how old he was when he fought Hashirama. And he didn't die right after that fight.
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2012-03-07, 15:46 | Link #788 |
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he did. at least he says he did which I believe to be true. so if tobi is madara using obito's body then it makes sense since he is basically madara. tobi being a part of himself that bridged the gap between his death and resurrection
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2012-03-07, 16:14 | Link #791 | |
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2012-03-07, 16:26 | Link #793 | |
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if that was the plan, it is pretty intricate, but as long as zetsu was around to ensure obito never died and madara's life force was preserved, which I'm assuming he was, then it was pretty dependable. I assume that because tobi's body is clearly infused with zetsu's white body. if madara used anyone else but obito or if tobi isn't obito's body to put it another way, then there is no explanation for why his body is nearly completely replaced with zetsu's body. the boulder crushing most of it unexpectedly is a pretty good explanation to me at least |
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2012-03-08, 07:51 | Link #794 | |
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It makes little sense that Zetsu would wait for more rocks to fall on Obito’s half crushed body and then dig him out when Black Zetsu could have tried to save Obito using his wood jutsu. Tobi having a Zetsu arm can be explained by him being a person other than Obito who lost his arm in a fight or accident. |
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2012-03-08, 09:15 | Link #795 | |
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tobi also has at least both arms replaced by zetsu. his right was shown in his fight with fuu and torune. his left (lower portion) was seen in his fight with minato. its fairly safe to assume that a bunch more of him is zetsu too since minato injured him pretty badly in the torso of course tobi could be someone else who was injured, but these apparent injuries coincide with a cave in of rocks |
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2012-03-08, 10:19 | Link #796 |
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Do we even know that his body is that way because of injuries though? While that is a possibility (and just as likely as any other explanation, since we know next to nothing about it), it's equally likely Tobi merely wanted an indestructible body. Given the way he favors techniques that leaves himself completely untouched and unharmed, wanting a body that can't be easily destroyed could very well be something he'd want.
Like I said, though, we know very little about it. And without knowing more about it, the state of his body really isn't conclusive evidence of anything. |
2012-03-08, 10:37 | Link #797 | |
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The idea is not to look at a single jigsaw piece and say that it doesn't amount to an entire puzzle. Instead, we can look at this piece of evidence and say that it fits nicely into the Obito Puzzle, and not so nicely into the Izuna, Kagami, etc Puzzles.
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2012-03-08, 21:56 | Link #798 |
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I think it also helps the obito theory to point out that all the elements of this supposed plan by madara have similar examples in the plot already making them possibilities for a ninja on his level. Minato was able to split his and someone else's soul, seal them in someone else and cause them to manifest at a certain trigger. so why not take it a step further and have that manifested soul take control of the host body?
also, minato was very close when this obito transition would have taken place. zetsu and madara couldn't have risked that seeing as how minato was strong enough to beat a prepared tobi during the kyuubi attack, let alone a freshly awakened tobi. it was imperative that they make everyone think obito died at that time or else minato would have ended things right then. zetsu couldn't afford to interfere with kakashi recieving the sharingan by that reason as well. what I really want to see is tobi revert back to his alternate personality. perhaps when his identity finally comes out (if he is indeed obito) and around kakashi, guy and naruto then we will get a chance to see that side of him again. everything he's done the past couple years has been totally serious. that and possibly madara's soul has almost totally quelled obito's soul |
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2012-03-08, 22:57 | Link #800 |
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That is what Minato did, not even the sage of six path split souls. All he did was split the chakra of the ten tail into 9. I don't think there was ever a soul splitting tech in naruto. Mu split himself in two to escape lethal blows. Minato split Kurama chakra in half with the Dead Demon Consuming Seal then added his and Kushina so that the seal would not be broken.
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