Ore no Imouto - Light Novel & Manga Discussion Thread

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Lucarion

Seriously, you got to give the girl credit for pulling off what she did without shaking her nice girl persona, not flinching, knowing when to fold and cut loses, and basically being cocksure of her way of life. Traits which I admire in a person. All this volume did was make Manami's characterization harder to accurately define...because I think she really IS a nice girl despite the scheming-everything she says or does makes me believe that part of her is genuine, but at the same time, you can't really be SURE...and the fact that nothing explicit is stated makes her all the more fearsome. The novel pretty much explained why nobody wants to mess with her and why some of the characters hold her in high regard.

As it stands now...she's even scarier than AYASE.

Well, what does it mean to be a "nice girl"? I mean, she is outwardly friendly, pleasant, easy-going, and doesn't appear to cause waves. But, she's absolutely in control of her domain. She has rigid expectations and isn't afraid to express them when the need arises. And there's a boy that she intends to make her own and -- if not for a conspiracy of circumstances -- it would likely have happened without contest.

Spoiler for Volume 11 Thoughts:

No one is truly "selfless". All of the girls in this story have their selfish side that conspires to get what it wants. Sometimes they succeed, and sometimes they fail. But that just makes Manami more "human". She's the kind but rigid matriarch who is nice and pleasant to everyone, but makes sure that everyone stays on the straight and narrow -- you don't want to get on her bad side. And people fall in love with those types of people all the time because some people want that sense of order and stability in their lives. That's a way to lead a peaceful life; by forcibly exorcising chaos and disorder. So that's why, to Manami, Kyousuke can't be an extraordinary person, because extraordinary people do crazy things that can get them hurt or killed. But to Kirino, she can't be satisfied with an ordinary life; she's an over-achiever and she wants someone who can run alongside her. That person used to be her older brother, which is why she admired him so. So she can't be satisfied with what Manami encouraged him to become because that isn't the brother she knew and loved; Manami placed a limiter on his true potential to keep him from getting hurt. But it's really up to Kyousuke now to choose the sort of life he wants to live and who he wants to live it with. And in making that choice, he's not necessarily being any more or any less selfish than anyone else.

So yes, not evil. Just human.

[Seitsuki]

Somewhat like Kyon in Disappeareance huh?

In which case, good omens!

[Sumeragi]

Food for thought: Out of all the genderswap Oreimo fanarts I've seen, so far only three examples had both a genderswapped Kyousuke and Kirino on the same page. The absolute majority was always a genderswapped Kirino and regular Kyousuke. Does this imply something?

[NoemiChan]

*Two hands on face...

That's why....?

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Food for thought: Out of all the genderswap Oreimo fanarts I've seen, so far only three examples had both a genderswapped Kyousuke and Kirino on the same page. The absolute majority was always a genderswapped Kirino and regular Kyousuke. Does this imply something?

I would say it's a reflection of the fact that she always plays eroge where she's the "Onii-chan" fawning over her "Imouto". So, in fan-fiction, that's easy to play off of. I can't see how it implies anything in particular in the canon story.

[GVN.Chaos]

Spoiler for Vol 11 Thought:

But to Kirino, she can't be satisfied with an ordinary life; she's an over-achiever and she wants someone who can run alongside her. That person used to be her older brother, which is why she admired him so. So she can't be satisfied with what Manami encouraged him to become because that isn't the brother she knew and loved; Manami placed a limiter on his true potential to keep him from getting hurt. But it's really up to Kyousuke now to choose the sort of life he wants to live and who he wants to live it with. And in making that choice, he's not necessarily being any more or any less selfish than anyone else.

Spoiler for My thought:

Just to make sure, did Kirino REALLY an over-achiever ? For me, it feel like she just tried to mimic her brother who she admired, and end up as she is now.

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

Originally Posted by rejer

I wonder if there's anyone who hates on incest more than BaKaBaKaOtaKu. I think most of us here deal with it knowing that it's just a fetish which works only in fiction/2D world.

I mean what's the point of reading this or watching YnS if they just tickle you off especially when they're so open on what they're all about... I don't want to believe that people do this just because it's fun to hate on popular things.


Anyway, I took a look at the 2ch comments and they now hate Manami for being manipulative and denying Kirino's feelings. She's become the villain of OreImo.

Spoiler for hate:

There are many people who hate incest but I guess I'm just the most vocal one in this site. Well, good for you. In my case, I'll never get what's so fascinating about het incest.

What's the point of reading this? I hate Kirino but that won't stop me knowing about this series since I like the characters that's not that bitch. I have hope for Kuroneko that's why I hold on to it. What would put me off is if Kyousuke ends up returning his bitch sister's sick love for him. YnS, I love the other routes except for Sora's for obvious reasons that's why watched it.

And no, it was never fun hating on things like this.

I get all of those comments are coming from Kirino stans and incest lovers >_> I just fucking hate that bitch.

Originally Posted by Lucarion

I don't really think the novel is casting anyone as "evil" here...from what I can tell the girls have already ironed things out between them and the revelations now have more to do with explaining why there's so much tension between Kirino and Manami than having anything to do with their feelings for Kyousuke and basically just brought Manami back to our collective consciousness with an even grander presence than before. Seriously, you got to give the girl credit for pulling off what she did without shaking her nice girl persona, not flinching, knowing when to fold and cut loses, and basically being cocksure of her way of life. Traits which I admire in a person. All this volume did was make Manami's characterization harder to accurately define...because I think she really IS a nice girl despite the scheming-everything she says or does makes me believe that part of her is genuine, but at the same time, you can't really be SURE...and the fact that nothing explicit is stated makes her all the more fearsome. The novel pretty much explained why nobody wants to mess with her and why some of the characters hold her in high regard.

As it stands now...she's even scarier than AYASE.

Spoiler for manami:

I didn't say she's really evil that's why I used'' around the word. But from what I saw, they're making her the antagonist to Kirino's feelings for her brother. She's human, yes, and yes, I got what you're trying to say.

[Syokool]

Originally Posted by rejer

Spoiler:

No offence but you sound like you would make oreimo your favorite novel in the case where Kirino loses, to whom she loses to is of no importance, as long as someone other than Kirino wins Kyousuke's heart you're set. But in the case where Kirino wins you would criticize it so much that not because your favorite character lost to Kirino but a sister with twisted love succeeded in getting together with her brother and did incest.
Disliking incest is one thing but seeing someone completely disregarding a work which I'm a fan of just because a factor is not something I can be happy about with. Not to mention that that factor is something I'm completely ok with.

It rare. I only see those kind of comments from people whom haven't read the series, or just summaries and the anime.

I think, the way I see things is different based in the form they are in the LN, and 'cause the title caught me with the "Ore no Imouto..." title.

At least, he is giving attention to the series, even if he doesn't like Kirino

[Sumeragi]

Better pictures of Kurara and the Final Scene:

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Kurara and Panty Kyousuke

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Calm before the Storm

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Also, what Ayase basically said concerning the upcoming finale:

Spoiler for Greedy Ayase:

I love Onii-san, but I will not give up Kirino. I'll obtain both!

[iCK]

Originally Posted by BaKaBaKaOtaKu

Spoiler for hate:

There are many people who hate incest but I guess I'm just the most vocal one in this site. Well, good for you. In my case, I'll never get what's so fascinating about het incest.

What's the point of reading this? I hate Kirino but that won't stop me knowing about this series since I like the characters that's not that bitch. I have hope for Kuroneko that's why I hold on to it. What would put me off is if Kyousuke ends up returning his bitch sister's sick love for him. YnS, I love the other routes except for Sora's for obvious reasons that's why watched it.

And no, it was never fun hating on things like this.

I get all of those comments are coming from Kirino stans and incest lovers >_> I just fucking hate that bitch.

Spoiler for manami:

I didn't say she's really evil that's why I used'' around the word. But from what I saw, they're making her the antagonist to Kirino's feelings for her brother. She's human, yes, and yes, I got what you're trying to say.

I don't think at all they state they are blood-related siblings, but they also never stated that they aren't. At this point in the novel, the author can still bring it up.

Also just because you support Kirino and Kyosuke, doesn't mean you support incest. For me, I just like the grouping better and I believe its only fair that Kirino ends up with Kyosuke.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Also, what Ayase basically said concerning the upcoming finale:

Spoiler for Greedy Ayase:

I love Onii-san, but I will not give up Kirino. I'll obtain both!

DAMNIT WHAT MUST I DO TO MAKE THIS COME TRUE ?!

[Syokool]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Better pictures of Kurara and the Final Scene:

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Kurara and Panty Kyousuke

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Hmmm, I'm wondering, why the rabbit seems to be angry.

I mean, he's in a panties, no? He must be happy.

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Spoiler for Greedy Ayase:

I love Onii-san, but I will not give up Kirino. I'll obtain both!

Three of them? I can only imagine it as perverted...

[bakAnki]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Also, what Ayase basically said concerning the upcoming finale:

Spoiler for Greedy Ayase:

I love Onii-san, but I will not give up Kirino. I'll obtain both!

As long as you're working on it not in yandere way Ayase, I'll support your greed XD


Though seriously speaking I'm fine with whatever ending or whichever girl Kyousuke ends up with, as long as Fushimi can make it interesting and satisfying. Ayase, Kirino, and Kanako route from the 2nd PSP game are enough for me

[Syokool]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

Three of them? I can only imagine it as perverted...

Let's rooting for an Ayase x Kyousuke ending!

That must be the solution here.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Food for thought: Out of all the genderswap Oreimo fanarts I've seen, so far only three examples had both a genderswapped Kyousuke and Kirino on the same page. The absolute majority was always a genderswapped Kirino and regular Kyousuke. Does this imply something?

Sure it's not that you're just honing in on that sort of gender bending?

[Sumeragi]

Originally Posted by GDB

Sure it's not that you're just honing in on that sort of gender bending?

No, I used Pixiv and other sources, and that is the definite trend. I rather have Kyouko-chan and Kirino-kun

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by Syokool

Let's rooting for an Ayase x Kyousuke ending!

That must be the solution here.

Hmmm... facing the fact that they really are siblings... Ayase could be good.,... but I feel sorry for Kyousuke's childhood friend....

[blackwhite67]

I dont get it. Can someone explain to me by exactly what sort of sinister, twisted means Manami, which I have always believed to be pure and innocent, used to turn Kyousuke into a shadow of his former self?

[Sumeragi]

It's not that twisted.

Spoiler for Method:

Manami likes "normality", and since Kyousuke was the extraordinary model student, she wanted him to become just your boring average boy. She told Kyousuke that he should live "normally" after an incident that shook him to the very core (related to the new character), and that basically tamed Kyousuke.

Here's a post which analyzes Manami more.