2009-08-13, 05:09 | Link #1181 |
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He said that the "pivotal answers" will come in EP6 and EP7. What he wants is theorization until the end.
And he said that EP5 comes with a trap: "This time, there will be a harsh trap, I believe those who have in some way penetrated to the core of story won't get tricked, those who haven't will probably think 'Huh?' I wish I could say more, but I can't(laughs)." |
2009-08-13, 08:42 | Link #1182 |
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By what Ryukishi has said, I've finally sort of realized how different Umineko and Higurashi really are.
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In Higurashi, those last few arcs were for answers while completing the story. In Umineko, it'll be awhile before the story ends, and we might not even get the answers to everything. Spoiler for Higurashi Kai\Matsuri:
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2009-08-13, 09:30 | Link #1183 |
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Well, Ryuukishi has also said that since people are going to be expecting answers in the second half, he'll probably end up giving some.
No, he does not intend to make any arcs past the Core Arcs. In Higurashi, he was criticized sometimes for spelling out every detail of the answer clearly for the readers, and for revealing quite a lot in the second to last arc. In Umineko, it sounds like he plans to leave some major mysteries until the very end, and some things might never be explicitly explained.
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2009-08-13, 11:11 | Link #1184 | |
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The way of revealing the mysteries and everything sounds really interesting, but I really don't like when there are STILL mysteries and questions even after the story is over. =/
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2009-08-13, 12:39 | Link #1186 | |
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Actually this might really happen if he teams up with Beato. By the time they've "defeated" the enemy, they've formed such a friendship Battler can't bear to say "Witches' don't exist" in Red unless there's some way she's still around after. Which is probably the "bittersweet" ending I mentioned, because we all really do like Beato.
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2009-08-13, 12:47 | Link #1187 | |
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2009-08-13, 12:56 | Link #1188 | |
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And yeah I know, I'm glad that the anime added that explanation in. I wanted to know what happened to him. ^^;
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2009-08-13, 13:59 | Link #1189 |
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Now that I think about it, I realize something: even if Meta-Battler wins, what happens to him after?
Will he replace piece-Battler in the Real World? Will his memories be transferred to piece-Battler? (which would probably give piece-Battler a mental breakdown) Or will he just keep on living in the Meta-World? I'd love for him to go to the Golden Land with Beato...;_; |
2009-08-13, 14:19 | Link #1190 |
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Tbh I don't want Beato to die, that's why I made up a crack theory lol
I'm extremly Anti-Fantasy, although not 100% because of her. She and magic exists, though she can't do very much, like a powerless god. The only thing she can do is repeat the time frame of the game board. As the witch that watches Rokkenjima she saw everyone dieying. She is very hurt that the true culprit tries to make the people think she is the culprit, and as she watched Battler's efforts to prove that it was done by humans, she comes up with an idea: As she isn't allmighty and can't figure out the true culprit by herself, she carefully makes up a plan: Fuel Battler's hate against witches and help him revealing the true culprit. Lambdadelta is interessted in this idea and grants Beato a wish: The creation of the meta-world, where she can interact with Battler and use the red truth. But Lambda of course made a deal: Beato has to restrain her actions and act like a cruel witch towards Battler, be very carefully when using the red truths, being a good actress that listens to her director.. --> the 5th Game, Chiru, Battler discovers the true intentions of the honest and pure Beatrice (which is symbolized by hair-down Beato) Well, I don't believe in it myself, of course it's dumb so I haven't thought about it further, but I wanted to share it with the BatBeato shippers ;0 |
2009-08-13, 15:19 | Link #1191 | |
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2009-08-13, 15:21 | Link #1193 | |
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2009-08-13, 15:31 | Link #1194 |
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I think you might be misunderstanding me. He hopes that people will be able to figure out the mysteries, but he won't necessarily do so explicitly. For example, many of the things that happened in the 'Collecting the Kakera" of Matsuribayashi could have been guessed at given the rest of information that we had. Even if he never showed those scenes, avid readers would be able to figure things out. My guess is that it'll be something like this, instead of just a cliffhanger.
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2009-08-13, 16:01 | Link #1195 | |
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2009-08-13, 16:11 | Link #1196 | |
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LOL what's the point of being coy in a thread full of spoilers and theories? What makes you think yours is different than the hundred other ones we see in the forum? |
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2009-08-13, 16:19 | Link #1197 | |
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Most of the Umineko fandom seem to take the meta-world for granted, since it's not required for the game to question the meta-world. I don't think that's right. I've been reading what Ryuukishi's been saying at the moment, and I believe that he's purposely avoiding the main issue of "what are witches?" I take it that it's up to the reader to solve this mystery, and that mystery begins with a simple thought process: what is magic? If we believe what we see, we might end up with the Higurashi-style ending. If we don't, then I see Umineko ending "outside of the meta-world", and in the actual real world, which doesn't allow for the magical or the supernatural. My theory has to do with that. However, most of english-speaking fandom would believe that such a thing isn't possible, and questioning the meta-world's existence doesn't have any reasonable logic or evidence behind it (Most of the attention in the story thus far have been on the gameboards and the meta-world, so we've gotten accustomed to it). |
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2009-08-13, 16:36 | Link #1198 | |
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I actually had a crack theory about the Meta-World awhile back. Spoiler for CRACKY CRACK THEORY:
More epic crack xD |
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2009-08-13, 17:16 | Link #1199 |
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Here's what I propose:
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Although the reasoning is mine, this really isn't an original theory. I heard it was part of a larger scheme called the "Mariage Sorciere" theory, which is used to deny the meta-world. Last edited by Archer; 2009-08-20 at 19:38. |
2009-08-13, 18:02 | Link #1200 |
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I agree, episode 1 is the only real game and at the end of it something happens to Battler.
What happens after that is anyone's guess but I believe all the games will be significant in figuring out how to reach a good end. Good end for me = everyone receives love/companionship from the ones they care about before they die. Survival is not necessary if the theme is that love is eternal (endless witch). |
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