2010-11-05, 10:13 | Link #381 | |
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I can see Alto not being happy with his reality, but it seems like he's actively working on it. They portray him as being fairly capable, and it's not like he's wallowing away in self-pity (yet). |
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2010-11-05, 10:39 | Link #382 | |
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Problem is he still hated him home at the beginning of Frontier, and wants to get away from it, because he wants what his cannot provide. There is nothing he can do to get his "sky" at that time in fact in Macross Frontier that was just a unrealistic wish. He also didn't want to join the military as it was the only way to get a valkyrie (well that or the SMS, which is a private military), and then fight for Frontier. |
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2010-11-05, 11:26 | Link #383 | |
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the position of the valkyrie would have been where Gilliam was killed in episode one: Ranka would have been where the vajra is in the first pic when Gilliam was killed. As for what Alto said, the version I'm watching simply has him saying "I'm not the one you should thank." so it could be wrong. I couldn't say as I don't speak Japanese. As a side note, the time of day seems to shift pretty drastically from the end of ep 1 and the beginning of ep 2. There's still some daylight at first but when Ozma shows up it looks like full-on night. |
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2010-11-05, 14:00 | Link #384 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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Hmmm, I'm not sure it's the time that changes so much. I believe the events occurred during the time that the sun was just beginning to set. I'd say an hour or maybe 2 hours went by between episode 1 and 2.
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2010-11-05, 15:13 | Link #386 |
Alto x Ranka :)
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Well his theory does make sense since it's consistent with Ranka's confused reaction when Alto tells her that he shouldn't be the person that she should thank. So I wouldn't say hardly, more like plausible enough.
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2010-11-05, 15:30 | Link #389 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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That would depend on the position of the Vajra during Gilliam's death. As far as we see, it's difficult to determine really.
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2010-11-05, 15:48 | Link #390 |
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You know, this kind of reminds me of the big argument that we had over episode ten, when some fans were trying to argue that Sheryl knew that Ranka was watching her and deliberately kissed Alto simply in order to spite Ranka.
I had a remarkable feeling of deja vu when I saw screenshots being used to prove that the view was obstructed or that the distance was too far. I personally feel that they should have gone for a split-screen reaction to Gilliam's death, panning to all of the members of the cast. While my opinions of the characters probably wouldn't be swayed by the sudden surge in "empathy" (i.e. angst), I do love a show that doesn't take itself too seriously. Ranka's fine as she is, at this point in the story. If anything, I think we could stand to see more of her cheerful and outgoing side in these early episodes, because that's where her strengths really lie. |
2010-11-05, 17:53 | Link #391 |
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Unless you're saying that Ranka has problems with her eyes that she can't see a giant bug squash a man two houses away from her. |
2010-11-05, 18:02 | Link #392 | |
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Those were the days *sips tea* |
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2010-11-05, 19:38 | Link #393 |
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It's already past 01:30 a.m. here, so I'm gonna post my thoughts for this weeks episode and go to sleep.
--- I’ve got a confession to make: The second half of episode four is my favorite sequence of the whole show, even if it didn’t include much Sheryl. But it just clicked together so perfectly, with Alto being so intense about getting into SMS, Ranka’s very cute performance of “My boyfriend is a pilot”, the battle sequence, the introduction of Klan and… gah! All of it! Here we go! 01:05 – What a facial expression. Goofy and yet proud. 01:33 – I much prefer this scene of Michael giving Alto his “badges of shame” to how it was done in the movie. 03:20 – Michael is enjoying this just a bit too much. 03:43 – And Bobbys obvious gayness is introduced here, too. 03:50 – Alto not having noticed that Michael set the difficulty to the highest level is also much superior than what we got in the movie. 04:10 – Heh, I remember a discussion where some guys were claiming that Ranka and Alto were texting each other “constantly” during this episode. Only that this and later Alto sending Ranka an encouraging SMS were the only instances of it. ^^ 04:45 – Wow, he looked pretty girly here even without the make-up. 05:19 – Hm, what is Ozma thinking? “Damn, I’d hit that!”? 05:45 – Ozma is repressing at this point something fierce, having dedicated himself to Ranka to exclusion of any private romantic ambitions. At least that’s what I am reading from a retrospective standpoint. 05:25 – When I showed this particular episode to my best friend from Paraguay, he said “Those Japanese are all about tits.”. Little does he know how much. ^^ 06:58 – Hey, maybe Alto should have been entered as a participant. Just saying…. 07:05 – Heh, I never noticed that Alto just opened that locker to slam it shut. 07:08 – Oh, c’mon, Hime-sama, you should be used to having make-up for females applied to your face. 07:18 – So, I know this scene can be interpreted by both sides of the romance divide in their own way. On one hand, Alto is blushing a bit. On the other hand, he categorically denies that it is a date and calls it his “duty”. 08:00 – So Catherine was in the competition 17 years ago? 08:40 – Second episode in a row where Sheryl dispenses sage advice. A good set-up for the next episode, where many people flipped from Ranka-support to Sheryl. 09:20 – One of the few scenes of the entire series where it is made clear that Ranka does indeed have breasts. 09:28 – I think here we can date Nanases forbidden desire for Ranka? 09:40 – And the first ( pretty obvious ) hint that Luca lusts after Nanase. 10:05 – This right here is the beginning of my favorite sequence of the whole show, from here until the end of the episode. They do absolutely everything right from here on forward. 10:10 – Poor automated vendor cart. Never successful. 10:20 – Altos daddy just looks a total hardass. 10:27 – I never got why they showed Altos Sakura-hime persona when his daddy and him made eye contact. Only much later did someone point out that this was to show that Ranzo only saw the Kabuki actor in Alto. 10:34 – Cold, Ranzo, really cold. 11:01 – Skull SQUADRON, dammit! 11:20 - The plane elevator scene mimicking a shot from the Macross opening. It always looks excellent. 11:55 – A wonderful “Holy shit, are they suicidal?” scene, which shows how good reflexes even a rather bad pilot like Luca must have, to navigate an asteroid field at this speed so confidently. 12:13 – I love how the display data is reflected on Altos visor. That’s attention to detail! 12:39 - Was that the first time they showed the holographic visual communication in-cockpit? I always find it incredibly cool ( also: I’d love to have Altos mobile phone ). 12:50 – This shot, with Alto going “Capitalism, eh?” always seemed a bit strange to me. Why is he getting thoughtful about this? 13:00 – Hm, so was that a Zentran or a Meltran? Michael says “he”, but were the male Zentraedi even using Queadluuns before the present day? 13:55 – And we establish right off the bat that Alto is at least better than some of SMS veteran pilots. 14:22 – Alto can’t really help himself against his actors nature sometimes. 14:25 – Bobby is suitably impressed. 14:45 – I always love the attention to detail, how Rankas hands are shaking. 15:00 – Yeah, the implied connection is pretty clear here. 15:10 – Damn impressive shot right here. 15:20 – And the jet trails drawing a heart is also awesome. 15:25 – How long back exactly did Captain Wilder know Ozma? 15:30 – The girls are impressed. Well, besides Monika, but she has her eyes on someone else, as we all know… 15:45 – I absolutely love this particular shot with the spinning asteroid and the close fly-by over it. 15:50 – That’s some pretty damn impressive maneuvering right there. Making sommersaults while transforming your mech? Very good piloting indeed. 16:05 – Heh, the contrast between Altos surefootedness and Ranka stumbling is quite marked. 16:55 – Well, Alto is truly pissed that the Vajra not only threatened Ranka but also destroyed her life beforehand, that’s for sure here. 17:28 – The Victor type Vajra really suffered from some serious villain decay after this episode. But until then, the creators made sure that we knew that they were tough to take out. 18:05 – Another great shot. Love the following homage to Hikaru getting into the fight with the Zentraedi scouting vessel. 18:55 – And Cathys suspicion towards Leon seems to start here, although we never see what the exact catalyst of it is. 19:10 – I absolutely love Klans introduction, which gave us another good look at the sense of scale the people of Frontier have to deal with on a daily basis. 19:22 – Did they have to give her such enormously oversize knockers? I guess for the contrast with micronized Klan, but still… 19:33 – The “his battle sense isn’t bad” translation is, by the way, one of the main reasons why I use THORA over Anime Central. It just sounds better. 20:08 – This scene here also really shows that Michael is a friend of Alto, despite their incessant in-fighting. 20:18 – Klans “second” introduction also stands out for awesomeness. 20:20 – Why does Lucas rosy teint float before his cheeks? ^^ 20:43 – Beautiful attention to detail: Klans flailing arms form a heart. 21:14 – Luca at the very least has a good sense when to make himself rare. 21:33 – That must be some weird material they use for napkins at Nyan Nyan. Generally I think I wouldn’t like napkins which are made out of paper stiff enough to fold paper planes with. 21:42 – Again with the attention to detail, we see Klan chasing Michael around in the background. 21:57 – Klan only wants Michaels braaaaiiiins. 22:09 – I never noticed Sheryls self-satisfied smirk just before she launches her sneak attack on Alto. I guess she was really happy with her plans for him. 22:16 – Yeah, I guess I also would lose the capacity to be angry at this view. And so we finish for this week. Next week: The best whole entire episode of the series!
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2010-11-05, 21:43 | Link #394 | |
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I'm not even that much of a Ranka fan, so it's weird I'm defending her in the first place , must be the moe? Still some hours left until Saturday for me, so I'll be back for that later. |
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2010-11-05, 22:27 | Link #395 | |
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I agree with Swamp as well though, we shouldn't even be taking that so seriously but it was something fairly new since everything else has been discussed to death Although to be fair, you did bring up some pretty good points which made me re-think my own assumptions. I'm not sure this defends her in any way to be honest. I mean it's really not that big of a deal in my opinion
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2010-11-05, 22:47 | Link #396 |
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God I love the music. The guitar track when Alto was taking off has to be one of my favorites. Minmay's song brought back so many memories too, it was awesome. Poor Ranka though, losing but she'll beat that girl in the charts soon enough. And I think "My Boyfriend is a Pilot" equates to losing the love contest.
I also liked how both Alto and Sheryl gave Ranka confidence, it's great when the triangle is friendly like that. And my observations...
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===== I'll be back with any commentary tidbits later in the week, but on the episode itself:
Speaking of Bobby, there's a kinda amusing backstage anecdote about his first entrance in the series. Can any of you remember exactly when that was? Quote:
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2010-11-06, 02:10 | Link #399 | |
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Episode 4: ooo, bouncy .
Probably my favorite episode so far, don't remember if it was my favorite overall though. The fight sequence between Alto and Klan was the highlight for sure. I don't have the nostalgia from the song, but I appreciate it all the same. The one thing I liked through the whole series was the music, and here it was used just about perfectly. Ok, maybe the sequence was a little bit over the top (heart shaped vapor trails ), and did he really need to do the pose? I feel like Michael is back to his normal self here. A joker, but he cares about his friend and all that. He's also lucky to have Klan, I mean big and bouncy and DFC all in one person, and they're so great with each other. Their little exchange at the restaurant was a great way to transition from all the seriousness with the vajra and Miss Macross winner. Quote:
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