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dark44 · 2015-03-05, 09:33

good thing that another group picked it and they are giving alot of hints about them being sibling but i think it is going to be false alarm

obnuchious · 2015-03-05, 09:39

how could that be a false alarm when it was shown in the previous chapters...

rpapo · 2015-03-05, 09:43

I received the latest chapter last night. Things are getting more and more emotional, and the end of the chapter has Hotaka running off for reasons I didn't try to translate for myself...

FWIW, I stopped translating it because I choose to honor the licensing system, however frustrating it may be in terms of delays, and sometimes in quality. Seven Seas has the license, and shows the first three volumes out on Amazon already, though they haven't yet released the volumes for sale yet.

ISBN 978-1-626921-50-4 2015-05-12 http://www.amazon.com/dp/1626921504
ISBN 978-1-626921-68-9 2015-08-11 http://www.amazon.com/dp/1626921687
ISBN 978-1-626922-12-9 2015-11-17 http://www.amazon.com/dp/1626922128

Sejuro · 2015-03-05, 16:45

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Originally Posted by rpapo

Things are getting more and more emotional, and the end of the chapter has Hotaka running off for reasons I didn't try to translate for myself...

Is it that bad?

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rpapo · 2015-03-05, 17:18

Chapter 22 (what I received yesterday), starts out rather reflective, but not at all suicidal. At least not for Hotaka. There are various images which cast doubt on Niki's state of mind, however.

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RightSaidFred · 2015-03-05, 19:05

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Originally Posted by rpapo

Chapter 22 (what I received yesterday), starts out rather reflective, but not at all suicidal. At least not for Hotaka. There are various images which cast doubt on Niki's state of mind, however.

Niki is the one at risk of suicide, not Hotaka. Niki is the one displaying classic signs of depression. If Takemiya has the guts to pull that off I will give her much applause. It would be very much like Ophelia. That would indeed be an amazing ending.

l.kostas · 2015-03-25, 11:13

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http://daioh.dengeki.com/blog/thismonth/
■最終回
『エバーグリーン』原作:竹宮ゆゆこ　作画:カスカベアキラ

Sejuro · 2015-03-25, 11:58

Heh, final episode, I can already see some f***** up (Hotaka arrives at the cottage, sees Niki's dead body (suicide) and dies by a heart failure/attack...), rushed ending. Damnit.

RaymondSageClark · 2015-03-25, 12:02

Well Evergreen was a big fail coming from the author.

Tenzen12 · 2015-03-25, 13:06

Axed already huh? Well, as things are now, it's impossible make ending satisfactory.

RightSaidFred · 2015-03-27, 00:49

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Originally Posted by RaymondSageClark

Well Evergreen was a big fail coming from the author.

Because you wanted Niki and Hotaka to end up together?

Evergreen is hardly a failure and it's not rushed. The story had already hit its climax, so it wasn't going to continue for much longer. It's at a perfect point to end.

The million dollar question is what kind of ending will Takemiya provide. Will she bring the lovers together with a gigantic ass-pull ending? Will one of the characters die? Will they be friends? Evergreen is tragic love story that screams for a Wagnerian ending. However, given that manga readers have such delicate constitutions, I wouldn't doubt Takemiya goes for a soft ending with at a minimum Niki and Hotaka being friends.

Habernero · 2015-03-27, 01:14

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Originally Posted by RightSaidFred

Because you wanted Niki and Hotaka to end up together?

Evergreen is hardly a failure and it's not rushed. The story had already hit its climax, so it wasn't going to continue for much longer. It's at a perfect point to end.

The million dollar question is what kind of ending will Takemiya provide. Will she bring the lovers together with a gigantic ass-pull ending? Will one of the characters die? Will they be friends? Evergreen is tragic love story that screams for a Wagnerian ending. However, given that manga readers have such delicate constitutions, I wouldn't doubt Takemiya goes for a soft ending with at a minimum Niki and Hotaka being friends.

It's definitely a rushed ending since Nikki is missing a ton of backstory on her motivation for stabbing people as well as why her father was so irreplaceable to her as well as why her relationship with her mother is so poor. Hotaka is missing a ton a development as well. Also because of the rushed ending there really wasn't much of love story between Hotaka and Nikki. They got through half a date as a couple and that was about it. I think the series had plenty of things to fill and as of right now it isn't very compelling. For a Takemiya work it certainly is lacking compared to the writer's other works.

zerozeronine · 2015-03-28, 22:16

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It's definitely a rushed ending since Nikki is missing a ton of backstory on her motivation for stabbing people as well as why her father was so irreplaceable to her as well as why her relationship with her mother is so poor. Hotaka is missing a ton a development as well. Also because of the rushed ending there really wasn't much of love story between Hotaka and Nikki. They got through half a date as a couple and that was about it. I think the series had plenty of things to fill and as of right now it isn't very compelling. For a Takemiya work it certainly is lacking compared to the writer's other works.

-Why her father was irreplaceable to her?Uhm,if he was nice to her and loved him dearly prior to him leaving,wouldn't that be the answer?

-about her mother,it was in a chapter were she thinks how her mother stole another child's father could be the main reason.

Habernero · 2015-03-28, 22:36

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-Why her father was irreplaceable to her?Uhm,if he was nice to her and loved him dearly prior to him leaving,wouldn't that be the answer?

-about her mother,it was in a chapter were she thinks how her mother stole another child's father could be the main reason.

So she hates her mother for taking another child's father but doesn't hate Hotaka's father for abandoning his child to spend time with her? Quite a double standard she has there. I think the story would have been better served if it expanded upon the relationships between her and Hotaka's father as well as her biological mother. I get that she loves Hotaka's father but what exactly did he do to become such a irreplaceable figure for her that she despises Hotaka for it? Right now she is lacking in backstory for the reader to sympathize with her situation. As of right now she seems like a girl that is off her rocker since the Author hasn't yet set the foundation for her actions.

RightSaidFred · 2015-03-29, 01:38

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Originally Posted by Habernero

It's definitely a rushed ending since Nikki is missing a ton of backstory on her motivation for stabbing people as well as why her father was so irreplaceable to her as well as why her relationship with her mother is so poor. Hotaka is missing a ton a development as well. Also because of the rushed ending there really wasn't much of love story between Hotaka and Nikki. They got through half a date as a couple and that was about it. I think the series had plenty of things to fill and as of right now it isn't very compelling. For a Takemiya work it certainly is lacking compared to the writer's other works.

First, Niki did not stab anyone. That was a dream sequence.

Second, Niki's father left her to go to Hotaka. A parent walking out on a child is traumatic. Knowing that your parent left you for another person can make you angry and bitter.

Third, you must have ignored the first eleven chapters to not have seen the romance develop between the two characters. Everything up until the date was the love story.

All the development is in the story, it's just it did not play out to your expectations.

RaymondSageClark · 2015-03-29, 01:48

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Originally Posted by RightSaidFred

Because you wanted Niki and Hotaka to end up together?

Evergreen is hardly a failure and it's not rushed. The story had already hit its climax, so it wasn't going to continue for much longer. It's at a perfect point to end.

The million dollar question is what kind of ending will Takemiya provide. Will she bring the lovers together with a gigantic ass-pull ending? Will one of the characters die? Will they be friends? Evergreen is tragic love story that screams for a Wagnerian ending. However, given that manga readers have such delicate constitutions, I wouldn't doubt Takemiya goes for a soft ending with at a minimum Niki and Hotaka being friends.

What are you talking about? stop deluding. My point is why the author rushed the manga so badly, because this cleary going to be in a ass-pull end as you said, this manga was a trainwreck from the start, with forced drama and painfully rushed even when Takemiya has so much to do not only about the main characters and plot, she can easily do a good job but this time she fails so hard. That's why this is a bad manga even if you like it and try to deny this fact.

Also you said "All the development is in the story, it's just it did not play out to your expectations. ", what development are you talking about? this manga doesn't even have development, is poorly developed and deserves a low qualification because Takemiya just destroyed her own work.

You're the only one here thinking in the wrong way just because you like this manga, but in the end you cant deny the fact that this is a bad job coming from the author.

RightSaidFred · 2015-03-29, 02:00

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Originally Posted by RaymondSageClark

What are you talking about? stop deluding. My point is why the author rushed the manga so badly, because this cleary going to be in a ass-pull end as you said, this manga was a trainwreck from the start, with forced drama and painfully rushed even when Takemiya has so much to do not only about the main characters and plot, she can easily do a good job but this time she fails so hard. That's why this is a bad manga even if you like it and try to deny this fact.

Also you said "All the development is in the story, it's just it did not play out to your expectations. ", what development are you talking about? this manga doesn't even have development, is poorly developed and deserves a low qualification because Takemiya just destroyed her own work.

Your point? You didn't have a point. All you said was "Well Evergreen was a big fail coming from the author. " You did not explain why it was a failure.

The story was pretty straight forward. So what was missing? What development did you need to make you feel better.

RaymondSageClark · 2015-03-29, 02:10

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Originally Posted by RightSaidFred

Your point? You didn't have a point. All you said was "Well Evergreen was a big fail coming from the author. " You did not explain why it was a failure.

The story was pretty straight forward. So what was missing? What development did you need to make you feel better.

I summarized in one sentence the lazy job the author do in this manga, but I can see you like this a lot and you're not even open to discuss about that.

Even with that, this manga is bad because:
-Rushed the ending
-Poor character development
-Forced drama and unconvincing story
-Was good the first half but the second part was terrible and as @Habernero said, the series had plenty of things to develop, but the author does nothing with those things

These are facts and I'm not the only one here who thinks in that way, so deal with it.

Habernero · 2015-03-29, 02:37

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Originally Posted by RightSaidFred

First, Niki did not stab anyone. That was a dream sequence.

Second, Niki's father left her to go to Hotaka. A parent walking out on a child is traumatic. Knowing that your parent left you for another person can make you angry and bitter.

Third, you must have ignored the first eleven chapters to not have seen the romance develop between the two characters. Everything up until the date was the love story.

All the development is in the story, it's just it did not play out to your expectations.

First, in manga dream sequences are usually based of reality especially the disturbing ones. This author in particular uses dream sequences with a basis in reality. So Niki probably did stab someone.

Second, what exactly makes her father to special that she hates her mother so much. Her mother was the parent that stuck with her yet she vents her hate at her mother who stuck with her instead of the father that left. Or what is so despicable about her mother that her father who walked out her looks great in comparison. The motivation for Niki's hate really wasn't indicated by author. It was barely touched at all which makes the story incomplete.

Third, the initial chapters were pretty much the two of them noticing each other. They really didn't have that much interaction at all. Basically the only thing that kept them together was their father situation particularly in Niki's case. Once that was gone they had nothing left. That really isn't much of a love story. You can pretty much sum up the story as this: Two people meet who attracted to each because they were dealing with a loss of a father. Then they found out they actually have the same father who left the girl for the guy. They break up because of this. The End. Besides the shock factor this doesn't make up a good story at all. The reader never really gets a chance to sympathize with Niki nor is that moved that much by the break up since there wasn't much of a relationship in the first place. This work was rushed and lacking especially compared with the other work from this author.

rpapo · 2015-03-31, 18:31

Received the latest Dengeki Daioh last night, opened it up about an hour ago. After being unable to answer the questions from another person as to how exactly it turned out, I went through every page of the chapter and wrote up a brief summary of each page.

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obnuchious Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014	how could that be a false alarm when it was shown in the previous chapters... __________________ Something I did to pass the time: https://www.fictionpress.com/u/997198/ ======== Oxygen was first discovered in 1783. How could people breathe back then?

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rpapo Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Michigan, USA	Chapter 22 (what I received yesterday), starts out rather reflective, but not at all suicidal. At least not for Hotaka. There are various images which cast doubt on Niki's state of mind, however. Spoiler: How was summer this year? What was the best? What was the worst? My summer is already over. Over and done with. ...Just about everything. In the last few pages, it looks like Hotaka has a premonition of danger for Niki, and he takes off on his bicycle in the rain. Absolutely for Niki's sake. What awaits these two? Next time, the last time! It would seem that chapter 23 is either the last chapter, or the last something for the two of them.

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Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Axed already huh? Well, as things are now, it's impossible make ending satisfactory. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

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rpapo Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Michigan, USA	Received the latest Dengeki Daioh last night, opened it up about an hour ago. After being unable to answer the questions from another person as to how exactly it turned out, I went through every page of the chapter and wrote up a brief summary of each page. Spoiler: Page 1: Hotaka riding up the mountain on his bike in the rain. Nikki looking out the window at the rain.‏ Page 2: A bridge breaks as Hotaka passes over, but he makes it up to the cottage and bangs on the door, calling for Nikki.‏ Page 3: She answers the door, and explains that she would have left, but her bike won't start.‏ ‎Page 4: Hotaka is trying to get her to leave, asking her why she came up there in the first place.‏ Page 5: "Enough! Come with me! This isn't the place to talk!"‏ Page 6: Outside. Niki: "I'm scared!" Hotaka: "Try your best!" She gets apologetic.‏ Page 7: Running in the rain and dark in the forest, they reach a fork in the path and must decide which to follow. He doesn't know which way leads to town.‏ Page 8: The lightning bug shows up, and Hotaka says, "Father?"‏ Page 9: "That's it, of course! That's our Father! Can you see him, Niki? He's calling. Father is calling us!" Niki: "Eh?" Page 10: They spot the light, and we have a vision of their Father reaching out his hand for them. Hotaka: "He's calling for us!"‏ Page 11: Running in the dark, following the light. Many commentaries about how they were being led, together.‏ Page 12: Father truly loved us, both Niki and I. Father's love for us continues. Father chose me. That is something I understand now.‏ Page 13: They make it to the road.‏ Page 14: They see civil defense force out there trying to evacuate the area. A patrol car is summoned.‏ Page 15: They're in a local school building, serving as a shelter. Both of them are thinking "Thank you".‏ Page 16: The lightning bug is seen dead on the window sill. Hotaka and Niki are sleeping on the floor near the wall, holding hands. One last thank you.‏ Page 17: Hotaka's mother shows up and wakes him. She scolds him a bit for making her worry.‏ Page 18: Hotaka's mother spots Niki and remarks "You two look alike." She goes over to Niki and offers help, but Niki refuses, saying her own mother would come soon.‏ Page 19: Niki apologizes for having put Hotaka in danger, but she admits that if Hotaka had not come to help her, she would have been in real trouble. A smile from Hotaka's mother, and a silly scene where she offers her a snack.‏ Page 20: Hotaka's mother: "I'm glad your safe. I'm glad both of you are safe. I'm relieved."‏ Page 21: Hotaka breaks out balling. Both women look back at him in surprise. Niki: "What's wrong, Hotaka!?" Hotaka: "I'm crying your share!"‏ Page 22: "We are plainly the sun and the rain. That is the sum of our existence."‏ Page 23-24: Nikki in the sunlight in the forest, with a lot of philosophizing in the background text.‏ Page 25: Back to school. "And then, to you eternally..."‏ Page 26: Conversation. Summer vacation is over. Soga showing off his bald head. On-chan clapping, "Sexy, sexy!"‏ Page 27: Banter with On-chan. Hotaka notices Niki approaching.‏ Page 28: Some commentary from the other two guys to Hotaka about how they'd expected Hotaka to be an item with Niki by now.‏ Page 29: Hotaka narrating: "Nikki and I dated for a little bit, but soon broke up. It was awkward. We decided to ignore each other at school.‏ Page 29: In reality, though...‏ Page 30: A scene where Hotaka sees her down by the pool, cleaning the deck. She looks up, spots him, waves and gives him a beautiful smile. He clutches his heart, as if in mild pain.‏ Page 31: The watermelon seed they planted is sprouting.‏ And it says the fourth tankobon will come out in May.

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dark44 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	good thing that another group picked it and they are giving alot of hints about them being sibling but i think it is going to be false alarm

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rpapo Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Michigan, USA	I received the latest chapter last night. Things are getting more and more emotional, and the end of the chapter has Hotaka running off for reasons I didn't try to translate for myself... FWIW, I stopped translating it because I choose to honor the licensing system, however frustrating it may be in terms of delays, and sometimes in quality. Seven Seas has the license, and shows the first three volumes out on Amazon already, though they haven't yet released the volumes for sale yet. ISBN 978-1-626921-50-4 2015-05-12 http://www.amazon.com/dp/1626921504 ISBN 978-1-626921-68-9 2015-08-11 http://www.amazon.com/dp/1626921687 ISBN 978-1-626922-12-9 2015-11-17 http://www.amazon.com/dp/1626922128

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Sejuro Ghost Member Join Date: Mar 2008	Heh, final episode, I can already see some f***** up (Hotaka arrives at the cottage, sees Niki's dead body (suicide) and dies by a heart failure/attack...), rushed ending. Damnit.

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RaymondSageClark Banned Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Hexagone Française Age: 34	Well Evergreen was a big fail coming from the author.