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thefreakmike · 2018-08-15, 16:45

Not to mention he got reincarnated with a mutation piece

Ka-el · 2018-08-15, 18:58

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Originally Posted by CCPDarkraiRules

@Lucidrago No there is no quote that states Surtr 2nd is a God-Class being but given that the original Surtr in the real life myths has him fight against the Norse Gods and even kill one during Ragnarok given that Ishibumi doesn't usually change the power of beings from myths so I assume that Surtr (original) in DxD is a God-Class being with his clone Surtr 2nd either being weaker than, as strong as or stronger that Surtr (original).

If I recall Surtr doesn't just kill Freyr, at the end of Ragnarok he burns down the entire world. This kind of power put him absolutely on a god-class level since he has the power to destroy the world.

Lucidrago · 2018-08-15, 19:01

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Originally Posted by CCPDarkraiRules

@Lucidrago No there is no quote that states Surtr 2nd is a God-Class being but given that the original Surtr in the real life myths has him fight against the Norse Gods and even kill one during Ragnarok given that Ishibumi doesn't usually change the power of beings from myths so I assume that Surtr (original) in DxD is a God-Class being with his clone Surtr 2nd either being weaker than, as strong as or stronger that Surtr (original).

Well we can basically say Surtr is god-class but is there any proof that Second is god-class? We can't say that the clone would be as powerful as the original.

Ka-el · 2018-08-15, 19:30

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Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Well we can basically say Surtr is god-class but is there any proof that Second is god-class? We can't say that the clone would be as powerful as the original.

original Surtr has the power to destroy the entire world, even if the clone possesses half of his power he would be a god-class being. They said that if he fought seriously he could have destroyed the Jabberwocky and that his flames are so powerful that are able to burn anything. He is the ultimate Rook.

godz · 2018-08-15, 21:02

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Originally Posted by Ka-el

original Surtr has the power to destroy the entire world, even if the clone possesses half of his power he would be a god-class being. They said that if he fought seriously he could have destroyed the Jabberwocky and that his flames are so powerful that are able to burn anything. He is the ultimate Rook.

we must remember that the mythology in dxd is different from the real one and that also varies in the levels of power
ex:
real myth
zeus> hades or poseidon
myth of dxd
hades> zeus or poseidon

Lucidrago · 2018-08-16, 06:44

Well Hades is almost never mentioned much in original myth and isn't really an Olympian and just chills out in the Underworld 24/7. People just inflate king of the gods to being the most powerful one.

And do you guys have anything except speculations saying that Second is a god-class being? Would you guys say that the mass-produced Grendels and Ladons are as powerful as the originals.

All Mathers said was that if Second fought properly, THEY could have defeated Jabberwocky immediately. Not Second by himself. Would you guys call Issei god-class if he had a god-class power that he could only use once a year? That seems like the case with Second and his special flames as he couldn't fight any more after he used them.

TommyG · 2018-08-16, 07:14

I personally don't think Surtr 2nd is as strong as the original just probably more along the lines of people like Vasco in that he is powerful enough to fight gods. Also in Greek mythology Zeus beat Typhon when no one else could so it's not really that outrageous to assume he's the most powerful of the gods.

CCPDarkraiRules · 2018-08-16, 07:42

Whether Verrine can join Issei's Peerage I think it would depend how strong she is as a Super Devil because we don't know how strong she is.

I think this is how the Super Devils compare to each other:

Balberith > Sirzechs = Ajuka > Verrine > Rizevim

Lucidrago · 2018-08-16, 08:29

For all we know Verrine could be no stronger than Rizevim.

TommyG · 2018-08-16, 10:05

True but by the same logic for all we know she could be more powerful then Sirzechs

DragonOsman · 2018-08-16, 12:54

@Lucidrago: If Surtr in the original myth could destroy the world, and Ishibumi doesn't seem to go that far away from most myths aside from that of Christianity, it would mean that even if Second is weaker than the original he would still be God-class (though it depends on how much weaker he is). It may be speculation, but it does make sense.

And yeah, I'm with TommyG about Verrine. Let's just wait and see for now, but right now I'm thinking she's stronger than Rizevim was but weaker than Sirzechs and Ajuka.

Lucidrago · 2018-08-16, 14:57

DxD myth=/=original myth.

Original myth: Shemhazai is listed as the leader of Grigori.

DxD myth: Azazel is listed as the leader of Grigori.

Original myth: Apophis is a giant snake.

DxD myth: Apophis is a dragon.

I'm not doubting whether the original is god-class or not but you guys are making Second god-class when you basically have no evidence.

Wouldn't Second be a Super Devil by that logic then?

Parry999 · 2018-08-16, 16:31

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Originally Posted by Lucidrago

DxD myth=/=original myth.

Original myth: Shemhazai is listed as the leader of Grigori.

DxD myth: Azazel is listed as the leader of Grigori.

Original myth: Apophis is a giant snake.

DxD myth: Apophis is a dragon.

I'm not doubting whether the original is god-class or not but you guys are making Second god-class when you basically have no evidence.

Wouldn't Second be a Super Devil by that logic then?

Vali and Issei are HD tier and there only candidates. The seconds destructive power is higher then Grayfias clearly. Risevim was higher in god class then you think since he was stronger than the strongest grim reaper. Apophis is a giant flying divine snake though.

Lucidrago · 2018-08-16, 17:31

So then why isn't Second a Super Devil then?

Parry999 · 2018-08-16, 17:53

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Originally Posted by Lucidrago

So then why isn't Second a Super Devil then?

Cause his stamina is shit and is probably weaker then even Risevim.

bluestahli1 · 2018-08-17, 10:43

Where did it state that? and wasn't the Surt clone discarded because he was a failed experiment?

Parry999 · 2018-08-17, 14:58

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Originally Posted by bluestahli1

Where did it state that? and wasn't the Surt clone discarded because he was a failed experiment?

He has bad control of his flames is why he was abandoned.

TommyG · 2018-08-18, 09:21

Getting off the topic of Surtr 2nd, do you think Issei will get a youkai in his peerage? I don't think he'd get a nekomata but could he get a different type?

CCPDarkraiRules · 2018-08-18, 09:39

@TommyG How about a female descendant of Shuten-douji for Issei's Peerage as a Rook?

TommyG · 2018-08-18, 09:44

Would be interesting but I thought oni have already been introduced as those little coloured monsters Akeno has as her familiars.

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thefreakmike Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Peru	Not to mention he got reincarnated with a mutation piece __________________

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CCPDarkraiRules Vassal of the King Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: England Age: 28	Whether Verrine can join Issei's Peerage I think it would depend how strong she is as a Super Devil because we don't know how strong she is. I think this is how the Super Devils compare to each other: Balberith > Sirzechs = Ajuka > Verrine > Rizevim __________________ Want to join High School DxD Universe Discord? PM me for an invite

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DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	@Lucidrago: If Surtr in the original myth could destroy the world, and Ishibumi doesn't seem to go that far away from most myths aside from that of Christianity, it would mean that even if Second is weaker than the original he would still be God-class (though it depends on how much weaker he is). It may be speculation, but it does make sense. And yeah, I'm with TommyG about Verrine. Let's just wait and see for now, but right now I'm thinking she's stronger than Rizevim was but weaker than Sirzechs and Ajuka. __________________

2018-08-18, 09:39	Link #59
CCPDarkraiRules Vassal of the King Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: England Age: 28	@TommyG How about a female descendant of Shuten-douji for Issei's Peerage as a Rook? __________________ Want to join High School DxD Universe Discord? PM me for an invite

2018-08-16, 06:44	Link #46
Lucidrago Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United States	Well Hades is almost never mentioned much in original myth and isn't really an Olympian and just chills out in the Underworld 24/7. People just inflate king of the gods to being the most powerful one. And do you guys have anything except speculations saying that Second is a god-class being? Would you guys say that the mass-produced Grendels and Ladons are as powerful as the originals. All Mathers said was that if Second fought properly, THEY could have defeated Jabberwocky immediately. Not Second by himself. Would you guys call Issei god-class if he had a god-class power that he could only use once a year? That seems like the case with Second and his special flames as he couldn't fight any more after he used them.

2018-08-16, 07:14	Link #47
TommyG Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Wales	I personally don't think Surtr 2nd is as strong as the original just probably more along the lines of people like Vasco in that he is powerful enough to fight gods. Also in Greek mythology Zeus beat Typhon when no one else could so it's not really that outrageous to assume he's the most powerful of the gods.

2018-08-16, 08:29	Link #49
Lucidrago Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United States	For all we know Verrine could be no stronger than Rizevim.

2018-08-16, 10:05	Link #50
TommyG Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Wales	True but by the same logic for all we know she could be more powerful then Sirzechs

2018-08-16, 14:57	Link #52
Lucidrago Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United States	DxD myth=/=original myth. Original myth: Shemhazai is listed as the leader of Grigori. DxD myth: Azazel is listed as the leader of Grigori. Original myth: Apophis is a giant snake. DxD myth: Apophis is a dragon. I'm not doubting whether the original is god-class or not but you guys are making Second god-class when you basically have no evidence. Wouldn't Second be a Super Devil by that logic then?

2018-08-16, 17:31	Link #54
Lucidrago Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United States	So then why isn't Second a Super Devil then?

2018-08-17, 10:43	Link #56
bluestahli1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	Where did it state that? and wasn't the Surt clone discarded because he was a failed experiment?

2018-08-18, 09:21	Link #58
TommyG Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Wales	Getting off the topic of Surtr 2nd, do you think Issei will get a youkai in his peerage? I don't think he'd get a nekomata but could he get a different type?

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TommyG Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Wales	Would be interesting but I thought oni have already been introduced as those little coloured monsters Akeno has as her familiars.