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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 133 | 39.82% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 81 | 24.25% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 32 | 9.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 27 | 8.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 11 | 3.29% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 10 | 2.99% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 1.20% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 3 | 0.90% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.30% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 32 | 9.58% | |
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2008-09-30, 20:20 | Link #1201 |
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I don't want to call name, but Tak, you were to one to use super large font to urge ppl to stay away from this topic. Yet you just come back to talk about this "salute" things all over again?
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2008-09-30, 20:24 | Link #1202 | |
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Though with all honesty, I cannot believe this is required to be analyzed frame by frame. No Japanese fans voiced a single disagreement about it being a direct homage to DYRL, no Japanese fans even considered Ranka in this. I don't know why we are doing it, I don't know why I am doing it, although its obvious to me that something hinting the empowerment of Sheryl would be threatening to some of you. Whatever, I was bored. - Tak (Hey, I am human too)
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2008-09-30, 20:31 | Link #1203 |
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And that made the difference. I'm glad that you pointed that out.
Really, you can argue about the distances and whatnot all day, but in the end it was also due to this very immediate, no BS detail that made the fans see this as a Sheryl and Alto moment paying homage to the Hikaru and Misa salute. I can't believe this is such a big deal. It's not like the love triangle has been completely resolved for some people to get up in arms about it. If the movie doesn't resolve this, then yes, feel free to go nuts. Heck, I would even gladly join. |
2008-09-30, 20:36 | Link #1204 | |
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Look, if one cannot produce an argument through the use of fundamentals and must resort to semantics, then maybe its time to reconsider. - Tak
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2008-09-30, 20:43 | Link #1205 | |
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(since you are in the mood , Tak ) |
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2008-09-30, 20:58 | Link #1207 |
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I feel like I have to post my final thoughts here on the series because I can't find a place more suitable.
Watching the episode with subs really made a difference. The whole episode seemed rush to me but watching it the second time, I guess I can forgive it. =/ There are a lot of loose ends to tie but that's what the movie is for. I don't know what's the actual moral story here. I was expecting a more dramatic resolution to the Vajra hate but the acceptance came too easy. So they found humans weird and tried to rescue Ranka from them, that's why they killed a lot of humans. But now that they can understand the Vajra, all is forgiven? They just put everything on a mesh and untangled them in a very generic way. Considering how they pressed the matter in such a heavy way. I expected a better way to resolve things. Another thing is, Alto finally came into terms with being an actor and being a pilot. I loved the scene where Alto applied Kabuki to himself when he heard Ranka's voice. Kabuki will always be a part of him and it showed that he didn't have to let go of it to be able to call himself a pilot. He let his real feelings surface and it made him fly. I'm proud to say Alto's usual flare in the battlefield came back at that time. He looked like a heavy burden was lifted off his chest. His stoic demeanor in ep 24 looked like a mask that he forcefully put in his face, and his insight looked so clouded in the battlefield. He just wasn't "flying". It's interesting that right after his resolve to become princess charming in VF-25, the staff firebombed Ozma to go, "Let's go everyone! Charge Love heart!" Loved that. I noticed last episode Alto told Sheryl that he'll come back to her because he realized that people must not fly alone, yet in this episode he said the opposite. Because people are alone, they can love somebody. That's where his true belief lies. Goes to show Sheryl really read right through him last episode. Overall, I think the series is absolutely superb and I'm making my level of enjoyment as a basis for that. I loved how everything began, especially between Ranka and Alto and how everyone matured from the battlefield. I loved the idea of a ship having its own ecosystem. I sometimes find myself making a mental note to map out the place whenever they pan the camera along Frontier. It's so surreal and I wonder if it's really physically possible if given the right calculation. lol Spoiler for My thoughts on the "Alto saluted to Sheryl and Sheryl alone" scene:
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2008-09-30, 20:59 | Link #1209 |
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The salute was for Alto. Ranka didn't even notice the salute coming from Alto. And Alto being in a military should have been pissed if he the person he saluted didn't salute back. But no, he was actually saluting to Sheryl. Thats why lol.
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2008-09-30, 21:22 | Link #1210 | |
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Look, it was absolutely not the producer's intention to have Alto saluted both girls, period. Basically, if some of you want to force that Alto saluted both girls argument, then Ranka pretty much has 2 options. 1. She is being a schmuck for ignoring the salute 2. She did not see Alto and therefore could not see the Salute. Look at her reaction to the salute, she was still just hopping on stage. She clearly did not see it. If she did and not saluted back (no, you don't just nod in that situation), then it would have been a major offense. - Tak
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2008-09-30, 21:29 | Link #1211 |
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Wow ani_d, you made the post of the century!!!
Now everything should be clear up, and when i need to say that infamous "salute incident" again, I would just say "refer to ani_d" post lol (I kid) Thanks for clearing all this up. Sincerely, justavisitor |
2008-09-30, 21:45 | Link #1213 | |
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Because we are individuals and ultimately alone (and not part of a hive mind), we are able to experience love for another distinct being, even if (because!) they are also alone and think different from ourselves (something that happens for the Vajra only once in aeons). Not every thing in the show revolves around the confounded triangle and Alto's love life (or lack thereof). |
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2008-09-30, 22:14 | Link #1215 |
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Wow, people are still downplaying the salute? Ah well...
Do you guys think we'll have the mystery of Hikaru, Misa and co. cleared in the movie? ...Or do you think we'll have to wait for Macross' 50th anniversary, lol. XDD |
2008-09-30, 22:32 | Link #1216 |
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Meh, I couldn't care less about the salute other than a nice homage to DYRL. An amazing episode though, and THIS is what Macross is all about, it has always been, it will always be. For me it was a nice conclusion for the TV Show, and I predicted that Alto wouldn't pick anyone long ago (though for completely different reasons XD). Perfect 10 for me. Yeah, the lack of LT resolution didn't bother me in one bit, in fact I kinda liked how it ended.
Probably, more than likely not. I'm pretty sure the movie will be a resolution for the LT. If they throw in some megaroad-01 goodness, I'll be one happy fan. |
2008-09-30, 22:42 | Link #1218 |
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So Alto did salute both of them, but Ranka ignored it. So she obviously doesn't care if he salutes at her. You win this round Ranka fans. You proved your point. Woohoo! I agree with Tak, anything that is a positive for Sheryl people try to disprove or act like it didn't happen. I don't know why Ranka fans are so threatened to begin with. But did this forum go crazy? Please don't me this is what the Frontier fandom is going to be reduced to.
eta : I think he did salute Sheryl and that means they are going to have babies soon. Last edited by Teletha; 2008-09-30 at 22:46. Reason: CONFIRMED! |
2008-09-30, 22:54 | Link #1219 | |
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