SAO Alternative - Gun Gale Online - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[jwai]

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

Very surprised LLEN is already running out of ammo.

I'm not, considering they've been engaged in three firefights so far (two requiring LLENN to do most of the shooting), and the P90 has a very high rate of fire. I don't think it was entirely clear if LLENN got hold of all of Clarence's clips before being engaged by MMTM.

[Vaans]

[mickbis]

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

What happened in the novel?

ex. Bald guy need to pray to god (LLENN) begging her to free him from hell
and some cool moment for those fodder
those thing are not that important anyway

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

Really great episode. Pito comes across as one of those bullying player killers in a disturbing way, especially since we know she's very disturbed. While LLEN values her friend and makes friends with opponents, Pito's style of play really comes off as no fun for anyone else.

Loved the peanut gallery, who just keep right on analysing that Fuka is a fantasy RPG player, even when they've seen something incredible. Fuka is so lively and richly articulate, but I recognised 'onna no teki/enemy of women', so I think they got the subs for that line wrong with 'female enemy'.


What happened in the novel?

Nothing major, really, just few details that helped mood. There was meeting of aliance in dome where that boyish girl was introduced and bit flashed. And leaders of teams anti-PM4 got really heated, forged strong bonds in front of strong enemy and went full shonen before... getting gunned in exactly same fashion as in anime. Also Pito felt much more menacing in novel

Very surprised LLEN is already running out of ammo. The ending very much subverted the 'talking is a free action trope'.

It's pretty obvious she would. As @Jwai said P-chan is quite hungry weapon and what's more LLENN is lacking in STR which means, she can't carry much on herself and has smaller storage then others.

[Skaddix]

Logical Payoffs...shocking.

[kari-no-sugata II]

It's not so much that LLENN is "running out" of ammo but "running low" on ammo since she has used much more than planned - she used (IIRC) about 200 rounds (4 clips) in a few minutes. I think she said she "only" had 800 left at one point.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

What happened in the novel?

A few things...

Spoiler for minor LN comparison about a few scenes from this episode:

Pito was more brutal in the LN. For instance, that guy Pito kneed in the face and then held down while using his gun to kill his friends before killing him; in the LN that guy was right on the edge of the water, and Pito stomped him down so his face was underwater and he drowned.

Also, that would-be-rapist guy who went after Fuka got brutalized a lot more before he died. Fuka knocked him down (shattering his collarbone, ribs, and breastbone in the process) and proceeded to repeatedly smash all of his joints over and over, deliberately avoiding doing enough damage to actually kill him. She smashed his hand so bad that he couldn't raise it to use the system console to resign, and he was forced to beg LLENN to kill him when she showed up to see what was taking Fuka so long.

[Infinite Zenith]

Loving the brutality and how squeaky Miyu is when under fire.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Just like in the original story people playing GGO seem to easily forget that they are just playing a game.

For example when LLENN asked that guy to lie to his comrades I really rolled my eyes. Why exactly would he do that? Pointing a gun to his head would have worked IRL, not really in a game where death is only a minor inconvenience. Unsurprisingly he refused, but the request was pointless to begin with.

For some reason, everyone's pain emulation is set to "on". It does give a certain amount of leverage, but I agree those guys have forgotten it's just a game.

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

Really great episode. Pito comes across as one of those bullying player killers in a disturbing way, especially since we know she's very disturbed. While LLEN values her friend and makes friends with opponents, Pito's style of play really comes off as no fun for anyone else.

That's funny because Pito's the one who approached LLENN and became her first GGO friend. While LLENN, the Pink Devil, upset lots of people who weren't even out there to pick PvP fights.

I think it's really just a matter of who they meet. If you're a good sport and/or a lolicon, it's not big stretch to want to make friends with LLENN. If you take yourself too seriously and are a self-righteous hypocrite, I can see why Pito would infuriate you.

[ScrewySquirrel]

I think its a case of Pito plays the game like its DooM, and no one else is.

[jwai]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

A few things...

Spoiler for minor LN comparison about a few scenes from this episode:

Pito was more brutal in the LN. For instance, that guy Pito kneed in the face and then held down while using his gun to kill his friends before killing him; in the LN that guy was right on the edge of the water, and Pito stomped him down so his face was underwater and he drowned.

Also, that would-be-rapist guy who went after Fuka got brutalized a lot more before he died. Fuka knocked him down (shattering his collarbone, ribs, and breastbone in the process) and proceeded to repeatedly smash all of his joints over and over, deliberately avoiding doing enough damage to actually kill him. She smashed his hand so bad that he couldn't raise it to use the system console to resign, and he was forced to beg LLENN to kill him when she showed up to see what was taking Fuka so long.

I can see how that might be a bit too much torture porn for public broadcasting.

[HandofFate]

does this take place before or after Kirito GGO

[Tenzen12]

After. Novel write who's totally not Segsawa got idea for SJ after watching Kirito and Simon team up in BoB and sponsored it so it could happen.

[mickbis]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

does this take place before or after Kirito GGO

After
SJ happen because the 1st sponser ( aka the author self insert ) interest in an idea of team fight after seeing Kirito and Sinon team up in BoB
There even a team full of light saber inspire by Kirito mention in Light Novel anyway you can guess whythey didn't appear in SJ

[ScrewySquirrel]

Originally Posted by mickbis

After
SJ happen because the 1st sponser ( aka the author self insert ) interest in an idea of team fight after seeing Kirito and Sinon team up in BoB
There even a team full of light saber inspire by Kirito mention in Light Novel anyway you can guess whythey didn't appear in SJ

Too bad.

Spoiler:

In the LN, they get wiped by the team of lineless shooters that Shirley is part of.

.

Did anyone notice that SJ2 is already down to only the significant teams, for the most part.

ZEMAL (All Japan Machine Gun Lovers), T-W (whoever that is), MMTM, SHINC, LF, KKHC (That's Shirley's team), and PM4. 7 left out of 30 who started. the crappy guys are out of the way.

[Ghostfriendly]

It's not so much that LLENN is "running out" of ammo but "running low" on ammo since she has used much more than planned - she used (IIRC) about 200 rounds (4 clips) in a few minutes. I think she said she "only" had 800 left at one point.

I was surprised that she's running low because I thought she lasted through the whole previous Squad Jam without robbing anybody of their ammo?

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

For some reason, everyone's pain emulation is set to "on". It does give a certain amount of leverage, but I agree those guys have forgotten it's just a game.

Just to confirm, the pain emulator generates a lot less pain than truly getting limbs blown off and such? I'm surprised that Fuka could regenerate her legs over time without a futuristic medkit in a game with such a gritty theme.

That's funny because Pito's the one who approached LLENN and became her first GGO friend. While LLENN, the Pink Devil, upset lots of people who weren't even out there to pick PvP fights.

I think it's really just a matter of who they meet. If you're a good sport and/or a lolicon, it's not big stretch to want to make friends with LLENN. If you take yourself too seriously and are a self-righteous hypocrite, I can see why Pito would infuriate you.

That's rather confrontational language there. I think player killing is generally par for the course in GGO; you can't have gunfights with the monsters, and it fits with the tough and treacherous wild west ethos. I can't recall seeing anyone being really angry or upset that LLENN killed them, so I don't think she was doing anything wrong.

Pito certainly can be nice to people when she wants. I'm going out on a limb here but love bombing people you have a use for (she's fascinated by LLENN's strength) and abusing anyone else is classic sociopath. She's nice enough to M so far as we've seen, but since she's forced the guy into a suicide pact, we can guess that she can be oh so nasty when the mood takes her. She was crowing about her victims making friends through the trials of combat, and she probably hopes to forge such a bond with LLENN, but we heard last ep and saw this ep that the teammates she's with now mean nothing to her. Apart from her brutality and sadism in the '10 min massacre' buying a huge advantage over your victim with a one of a kind rifle is very relatably unsporting, and also bullying when linked to all her previous behaviour. Even if LLENN happens to have her speeds, she's shown thinking and working desperately to get all of her wins, and valuing her team mates.

I'm really not infuriated by Pito; I can't really hate an attractive, mad and suicidal woman. It would be different if her relationship with M was explicitly shown to be as abusive as the suicide pact implies, but that's probably darker than this series is prepared to go.

[HandofFate]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

A few things...

Spoiler for minor LN comparison about a few scenes from this episode:

Pito was more brutal in the LN. For instance, that guy Pito kneed in the face and then held down while using his gun to kill his friends before killing him; in the LN that guy was right on the edge of the water, and Pito stomped him down so his face was underwater and he drowned.

Also, that would-be-rapist guy who went after Fuka got brutalized a lot more before he died. Fuka knocked him down (shattering his collarbone, ribs, and breastbone in the process) and proceeded to repeatedly smash all of his joints over and over, deliberately avoiding doing enough damage to actually kill him. She smashed his hand so bad that he couldn't raise it to use the system console to resign, and he was forced to beg LLENN to kill him when she showed up to see what was taking Fuka so long.

how come the automatic log off for too much mental stress or other didn't trigger

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

That's rather confrontational language there.

Sorry, I meant general you, as in the people who played against them, not you in particular.

I think player killing is generally par for the course in GGO; you can't have gunfights with the monsters, and it fits with the tough and treacherous wild west ethos. I can't recall seeing anyone being really angry or upset that LLENN killed them, so I don't think she was doing anything wrong.

I'm not saying she did anything wrong, I'm saying the people she did it to didn't look happy with her.

Pito certainly can be nice to people when she wants. I'm going out on a limb here but love bombing people you have a use for (she's fascinated by LLENN's strength) and abusing anyone else is classic sociopath. She's nice enough to M so far as we've seen, but since she's forced the guy into a suicide pact,

Allegedly.

we can guess that she can be oh so nasty when the mood takes her. She was crowing about her victims making friends through the trials of combat, and she probably hopes to forge such a bond with LLENN,

And yet her promise is to fight against her.

but we heard last ep and saw this ep that the teammates she's with now mean nothing to her. Apart from her brutality and sadism in the '10 min massacre' buying a huge advantage over your victim with a one of a kind rifle is very relatably unsporting,

It's less unsporting than ganging up 5 to 1. It's just a big rifle like Sinon's. It doesn't fire homing bullets or anything. It's probably less game-breaking than M's shield.

and also bullying when linked to all her previous behaviour.

What bullying? Those guys chose to enter a PvP tournament, and they chose to gang up on her team.

Even if LLENN happens to have her speeds, she's shown thinking and working desperately to get all of her wins,

Not all of them.

[Tenzen12]

She certainly did bullied these two players, she also admited it she thinks of it as fun, While it might be fair payback for them ganging on her team, it's still sadistic torture (even if "just in game".) Paying evil unto evil, never made evil good.

[jwai]

Originally Posted by Ghostfriendly

I was surprised that she's running low because I thought she lasted through the whole previous Squad Jam without robbing anybody of their ammo?

If I recall correctly, LLENN didn't encounter nearly as many people that she had to shoot during the last SJ.

I can't recall seeing anyone being really angry or upset that LLENN killed them, so I don't think she was doing anything wrong.

I reckon that one guy from MMTM who LLENN roughly worked over with P-chan in episode 4 might have more than a few choice words about that incident. If he does, chances are that something will be mentioned next episode.

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