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AuraTwilight · 2011-11-01, 04:08

Most definitely.

Orophin · 2011-11-01, 10:03

Actually, Higurashi is slightly longer according to the script sizes.

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni: 2.17 MB
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai: 3.24 MB

Higurashi Total: 5.41 MB

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Umineko no Naku Koro ni: 2.75 MB
Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru: 2.55 MB

Umineko Total: 5.30 MB

Those numbers are taken from TLWiki and are based on the Japanese versions of the games.

Number1-Syaoran-Fan · 2011-11-01, 12:14

True. Remember, Matsuribayashi-hen was massive. And Umineko had quite a few shorter ones like EP3...

AuraTwilight · 2011-11-01, 13:00

File sizes aren't a good indicator of length, though, since you have to consider graphics, scripting and coding, etcetera.

Yirba · 2011-11-01, 13:08

We're not going back to this discussion again, are we?

Anyway, it's true that you can't really compare by file size…

…but you can certainly measure the amount of time it takes to play the visual novels. In that case, Umineko feels longer to me. I didn't actually time it though, maybe that's something to look into…

Cao Ni Ma · 2011-11-01, 13:17

Well, if you count EVERYTHING in the Higurashi-verse it would be longer than if you count everything in the Umineko-verse right now. There's a lot of chapters added to higurashi in the DS and PS2 games.

If you only count the original PC games and supplemental texts, then Umineko is the longest visual novel in existence.

aiman24 · 2011-11-02, 14:26

wow, i'm quite surprised to see the recent updates to the percentages...

i hope you all can keep the pace a bit longer.

thank you Witch-Hunt

DoktorFunk · 2011-11-02, 21:03

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Originally Posted by aiman24

wow, i'm quite surprised to see the recent updates to the percentages...

i hope you all can keep the pace a bit longer.

thank you Witch-Hunt

Whoa! You're totally right. Its nice to see updates on their progress. At this rate, Ep 8 may be finished before Higanbana.

The sheer volume of work WH has done up to this point is really something. It's hard to believe they're this close to the finish line!

Yirba · 2011-11-03, 14:45

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Originally Posted by DoktorFunk

Whoa! You're totally right. Its nice to see updates on their progress. At this rate, Ep 8 may be finished before Higanbana.

The sheer volume of work WH has done up to this point is really something. It's hard to believe they're this close to the finish line!

Yeah, at one point I was thinking that we would be done before WH, but their pace is really picking up.

Of course, our goal is Winter Comiket, whereas WH's goal is 'by the end of the year', but it's quite hard to say.

It would be logical (in terms of chronology) to have Umineko out before Higanbana, though.

Just a tiny bit more to go… *excited*

Kylon99 · 2011-11-04, 01:41

Isn't Winter Comike at the end of the year? Specifically December 29th - 31st? 8)

Yirba · 2011-11-04, 15:13

That's right. Higanbana: The Second Night should be released there, so it would be nice to get the translation done before then. Of course, that's only our goal… I can't say if it will actually be out by then or not.

Anyway, back to the discussion about the Umineko translation…

KanonTheFurniture · 2011-11-07, 09:17

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Originally Posted by Yirba

Anyway, it's true that you can't really compare by file size…

…but you can certainly measure the amount of time it takes to play the visual novels. In that case, Umineko feels longer to me. I didn't actually time it though, maybe that's something to look into…

Personally I think the manga is a good indication of length. Both the Higurashi and Umineko VN's were adapted into manga while trying to retain as much of the core story as possible, and if you compare the Question Arcs of Higurashi's manga (each one contained two volumes) to EP1-4 of Umineko...

Legend - 4 Volumes
Turn - 5 Volumes
Banquet - 5 Volumes
Alliance - 5 Volumes and counting

That's in adapted form, which means for both Higurashi and Umineko, they're trying to convey as much of the story's actual message and scenes without being bogged down by Ryukishi's (often unnecessary) wordiness, which is something you have to consider when just looking at wordcount in the script

Just judging it from that perspective, I think Umineko is a far longer series, and for Witch-Hunt to have carried it this far is truly a testament to their hard work and dedication

rogerpepitone · 2011-11-07, 13:19

Significant portions of Higurashi are filled with various club games, which usually aren't too plot-important, and gets dropped from adaptations. There's much less obviously filler material in Umineko.

haguruma · 2011-11-07, 13:22

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Originally Posted by rogerpepitone

Significant portions of Higurashi are filled with various club games, which usually aren't too plot-important, and gets dropped from adaptations. There's much less obviously filler material in Umineko.

And I found Higurashi to be much, much more repetetive and draggy in certain scenes. Some events were described in 3 to 4 different ways before finally going on, while Umineko was actually pretty tightly paced, though people might disagree during the portions describing the family conference.

Kylon99 · 2011-11-08, 13:04

That makes me very sad. 8) EDIT: I mean 8(

I wish he'd do something about that particular writing style. Unless he's trying to make a point about presenting us with clue over and over and us not getting it, at most some things could be repeated twice, but not four times in succession. I remember times in EP6, 7 and 8 where he kept doing that...

Going through Umineko, I'm pretty much guaranteed to never, ever forget the word 'sunawachi'. ("In other words" etc). Every time I see that now, I cringe in horror of feeling like I will repeat my life over and over like Rika...

maximilianjenus · 2011-11-08, 14:12

now you know why he did not get published as a novelist originally and had to start with vns.

LyricalAura · 2011-11-08, 16:43

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Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

now you know why he did not get published as a novelist originally and had to start with vns.

Not that he doesn't have issues with repetition, but I invite you to look up "Kaidan to Odorou", a light novel he got published before he started Higurashi.

haguruma · 2011-11-08, 19:15

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Originally Posted by LyricalAura

Not that he doesn't have issues with repetition, but I invite you to look up "Kaidan to Odorou", a light novel he got published before he started Higurashi.

The story was published in 2005 just a short while before Higurashi was finsished and it only consists of two chapters. Well, published is a relative term. He made it into FAUST, an irregular Kodansha magazine which gives young pop-authors from the light novel and visual novel area a place to write, as well as releasing some more otaku'ish works of Mephisto winners like Nishio Isshin.
Kaidan to odorô soshite anata wa kaidan de odoru was never published outside of FAUST magazine (very few of those stories are) and it was more of an experiment than anything else.

But yes, he admitted himself that his wordiness is one of his biggest flaws and he hoped that it would be one he would learn to handle when writing short stories. Higanbana dares to imply he failed I think...

LyricalAura · 2011-11-08, 19:39

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Originally Posted by haguruma

The story was published in 2005 just a short while before Higurashi was finsished and it only consists of two chapters.

Oh, I guess my dates are off then. My understanding was that it was an early work that ended up being somehow related to Higurashi, but I haven't read it myself.

It's interesting that it was published in FAUST though. I guess his relationship with that magazine goes back pretty far.

guro · 2011-11-08, 19:44

woahhhh I read the first half of episode one all in Japanese finally! I had some trouble with Kanji but I kept my kanji finder next to me and managed to get through.

However it takes half the time to read in English so thank you witch-hunt for making my life easier! I'm not good enough yet to breeze through R07's works! I honestly don't mind the wait between translations because I am very busy with school work anyways. In fact it would be perfect if you don't finish it til the last week of December or first week of January because that is when I have no school.

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AuraTwilight The True Culprit Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Golden Land	Most definitely. __________________ When the Silent Spirits Cry: An Umineko/Silent Hill crossover fanfiction http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4565173&postcount=531

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Number1-Syaoran-Fan Your's In Gold, Beatrice Join Date: Nov 2009	True. Remember, Matsuribayashi-hen was massive. And Umineko had quite a few shorter ones like EP3... __________________ "I... I really like your bow."

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AuraTwilight The True Culprit Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Golden Land	File sizes aren't a good indicator of length, though, since you have to consider graphics, scripting and coding, etcetera. __________________ When the Silent Spirits Cry: An Umineko/Silent Hill crossover fanfiction http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4565173&postcount=531

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Yirba Spider Lily Translations Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: England Age: 30	We're not going back to this discussion again, are we? Anyway, it's true that you can't really compare by file size… …but you can certainly measure the amount of time it takes to play the visual novels. In that case, Umineko feels longer to me. I didn't actually time it though, maybe that's something to look into… __________________

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Yirba Spider Lily Translations Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: England Age: 30	That's right. Higanbana: The Second Night should be released there, so it would be nice to get the translation done before then. Of course, that's only our goal… I can't say if it will actually be out by then or not. Anyway, back to the discussion about the Umineko translation… __________________

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Orophin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada Age: 35	Actually, Higurashi is slightly longer according to the script sizes. Higurashi no Naku Koro ni: 2.17 MB Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai: 3.24 MB Higurashi Total: 5.41 MB ----- Umineko no Naku Koro ni: 2.75 MB Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru: 2.55 MB Umineko Total: 5.30 MB Those numbers are taken from TLWiki and are based on the Japanese versions of the games.

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Cao Ni Ma Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	Well, if you count EVERYTHING in the Higurashi-verse it would be longer than if you count everything in the Umineko-verse right now. There's a lot of chapters added to higurashi in the DS and PS2 games. If you only count the original PC games and supplemental texts, then Umineko is the longest visual novel in existence.

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aiman24 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011	wow, i'm quite surprised to see the recent updates to the percentages... i hope you all can keep the pace a bit longer. thank you Witch-Hunt

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Kylon99 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Meta-Meta-Meta-Space	Isn't Winter Comike at the end of the year? Specifically December 29th - 31st? 8)

2011-11-07, 13:19	Link #7033
rogerpepitone Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	Significant portions of Higurashi are filled with various club games, which usually aren't too plot-important, and gets dropped from adaptations. There's much less obviously filler material in Umineko. __________________ Umineko notes: Various (1-4) Ep 3 (w/ red text) Ep 4 (w/ red text) . My projects: Higurashi Daybreak - in need of translator Higurashi DS Translation - in need of translator Never7: The End of Infinity - Finished! I/O: In progress 12Riven: In progress

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Kylon99 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Meta-Meta-Meta-Space	That makes me very sad. 8) EDIT: I mean 8( I wish he'd do something about that particular writing style. Unless he's trying to make a point about presenting us with clue over and over and us not getting it, at most some things could be repeated twice, but not four times in succession. I remember times in EP6, 7 and 8 where he kept doing that... Going through Umineko, I'm pretty much guaranteed to never, ever forget the word 'sunawachi'. ("In other words" etc). Every time I see that now, I cringe in horror of feeling like I will repeat my life over and over like Rika...

2011-11-08, 14:12	Link #7036
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	now you know why he did not get published as a novelist originally and had to start with vns.

2011-11-08, 19:44	Link #7040
guro I like ice cream. Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Las Vegas	woahhhh I read the first half of episode one all in Japanese finally! I had some trouble with Kanji but I kept my kanji finder next to me and managed to get through. However it takes half the time to read in English so thank you witch-hunt for making my life easier! I'm not good enough yet to breeze through R07's works! I honestly don't mind the wait between translations because I am very busy with school work anyways. In fact it would be perfect if you don't finish it til the last week of December or first week of January because that is when I have no school.