2012-04-28, 18:10 | Link #21 |
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I don't think it's revenge, it's about the ninja system fucking up the lives of these guys like Kabuto and Itachi and many more. It seems Kishi wants to come to a theme of how heroes and villains are born out of this mess, so that the story finally converges to the Naruto vs Sasuke battle and to the savior (the one) against Tobi the "nobody".
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2012-04-28, 18:29 | Link #22 |
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I'm really liking these flashbacks. as I've said in earlier threads, it is a bit late, but better late than never. I'm in no rush to go back to the other fights either as great as they are. the longer the wait, the more satisfying the read and the more time kishi has to spend on them.
also, I dont think this flashback is designed to make us feel sympathy for kabuto. maybe to a degree, but it is more to explain his life and let us make our own judgments if we want. he was a blank slate that could have gone either good or bad. danzo's methods were the cause for his turn and orochimaru was there to give him a purpose. i find it all very interesting and since orochi is one of my favorite characters, i'll never complain about seeing more of him. kabuto's story is a bit sad, but not really. i'm just enjoying it and i really like how it tied many characters in this chapter. the only issue i have is the timeline relating to sasori and kabuto. i'm not sure that makes sense... this story makes sense, but not in light of what we've heard before i think |
2012-04-28, 20:13 | Link #23 | |
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In that sense this flashback fits into place albeit its running a few chapters too long at this rate... |
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2012-04-29, 01:42 | Link #24 |
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The ninja system is the manga's true villain.
When Naruto becomes Pope, destroys the current ninja system and replaces it with Narutism, I also expect the countries to wipe away their borders and morph into one large country with provinces. Fits into what we are seeing in this war. With everyone fighting under one banner. And there will be marrying between the villages and mixing of clans. |
2012-04-29, 06:11 | Link #25 | |
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And most importantly i believe there is no such thing as someone being born evil or good, everyone is born the same, then the society makes them either good or evil. Sure people are different, some are more introverted and some more extroverted, etc. and so their different traits make them react differently to events in the world. But if these events they suffer are really bad than it's the events that push them to be evil or good, and the difference in their personalities (are they more agressive or less agressive in nature due to their genetic inheritance, etc.) -while also being part of the equation - is not key factor of what they will become. And that is also one of the main points in this manga: when Naruto and Sasuke met for the last time it shows us a possible reverse situation, where the events have made of Naruto the evil one and Sasuke the good one (when Sasuke uses rasengan against Naruto's chidori). |
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2012-04-29, 13:29 | Link #26 |
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People are missing point, because it is a story
how Orochimaru got a disciple, and Kabuto a master (sensei). There is no revenge in it... So Kabuto is a new generation villain and he will live (though may loose this battle because he is outnumbered) |
2012-04-29, 20:57 | Link #27 | |
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2012-04-30, 01:52 | Link #30 |
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Hmmm, another flashback chapter. And I believe this is the last one for Kabuto's story. Can't help to think that Orochimaru knew Danzou's plan to recruiting (forcefully) Kabuto into the Root, but later on assigned to be eliminated, and took that opportunity to get himself a genius henchman to help in his vile experiments. Almost made me feel sorry for Kabuto being a pawn for 2 evil dudes (Danzou and Orochimaru) to achieve their own selfish dream. I mean, For a spy to work for you in a long time, it's unlikely he will double-cross you...
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2012-04-30, 03:28 | Link #31 |
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I have to say that I liked these past two chapters. I always wondered what had inspired such a skilled shinobi as Kabuto to give his complete loyalty to Orochimaru, and now I know.
No matter what else he might be, Orochimaru is supremely skilled at taking the disillusioned and disenfranchised and forging them into his personal weapons.
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2012-04-30, 11:37 | Link #32 | |
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For anyone feeling sorry for Kabuto, I wonder if Kishi will let Taka to have their revenge on him? Yeah, Kabuto was a victim, but he also did terrible things to them as Orochimaru's assistant, as this chapter showed. And they are the only living freaks from Oro's circus still around. I hate Taka and never want to see them again, but it would be poetic justice if Kabuto survives the Uchiha brothers only to get offed by angry lab experiments. |
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2012-04-30, 17:35 | Link #33 |
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that's a very good point actually, how does any of this fit in with him showing his face at the chuunin exams? there was loads of ANBU around amongst which might have been multiple root and he himself did not always hide under his mask ...
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2012-04-30, 22:49 | Link #35 |
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what about being under the control of akatsuki? how did it happened =/ did got that part. He just went by and got trap? didn't he say he didn't knew he was under the spell until just when naruto was about to reach Orochimaru's hideout?
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2012-05-01, 00:27 | Link #36 | |
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This is not a plot hole. |
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2012-05-01, 10:17 | Link #40 |
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didn't thought there would be so many links here and there in kabuto's past
and kabuto, mixing so many blood samples and injecting into himself like that was disgusting, no wonder kabuto now has a body like this
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