(L) Wortenia Senki

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by Flare007

I see, but weren’t there any nobles who sided with Ryouma in the end? Like some who don’t fear him?

That depends on which nobles? Some that don't have a bad impression of Ryouma are with Lupis because they are too busy trying to stabilize the kingdom which isn't going well because Lupis idiotic rule.

[Millennium Dude]

Well, there were people that did respect Ryouma; Earl Bergston and Earl Zeref. The problem is that the author was rather vague about the nobles who respected Ryouma felt about betraying him. All we know is that the nobles feared him. In V2Ch40, Elena tells her adjutant that her and some people (assuming the nobles) were discussing what to do with Ryouma after the war ended and they all proposed assassinating him. In V2Ch41, Meltina tells Lupis that the nobles proposed assassinating Ryouma. We don’t know if Bergston and Zeref felt the same way. No one didn’t even try to make some sort of deal with Ryouma before deciding to send him off to Wortenia.

[Valky]

In other stories the author made the mc plain retarded while this one have other characters retarded. I guess you just can't help it.

[Kyureki]

In short, it's difficult to find the right kind of balance without making it seem unnatural.

[Flare007]

And let me guess, the raws never showed him getting revenge yet?

[Millennium Dude]

Originally Posted by Flare007

And let me guess, the raws never showed him getting revenge yet?

As of yet, no.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

As of the fifth volume of the VN, the Rozeria Kingdom gets worse due to Gerhardt’s influence. People working under Gerhardt are being harassed to the point that they start a rebellion (it’s believed that Ryouma caused the rebellion as a distraction) and as a result, Bergston, Zeref, and Elena (the three most important people within Rozeria) abandon Lupis and switch sides with Ryouma. Ryouma didn’t have to do much to Lupis since the kingdom was already ruined without him doing much to it. Lupis is still alive (she fainted when she heard about the rebellion) so Ryouma hasn’t gotten to her yet.

We’re about 30 chapters away from catching up to the author, though there’s not much updates of the WN for sometime now.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by Millennium Dude

As of yet, no.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

As of the fifth volume of the VN, the Rozeria Kingdom gets worse due to Gerhardt’s influence. People working under Gerhardt are being harassed to the point that they start a rebellion (it’s believed that Ryouma caused the rebellion as a distraction) and as a result, Bergston, Zeref, and Elena (the three most important people within Rozeria) abandon Lupis and switch sides with Ryouma. Ryouma didn’t have to do much to Lupis since the kingdom was already ruined without him doing much to it. Lupis is still alive (she fainted when she heard about the rebellion) so Ryouma hasn’t gotten to her yet.

We’re about 30 chapters away from catching up to the author, though there’s not much updates of the WN for sometime now.

Lol really? I haven't gotten this far yet. Serves that idiotic queen right. Which chapter in Vol. 5 was this in?

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Originally Posted by Millennium Dude

As of yet, no.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

As of the fifth volume of the VN, the Rozeria Kingdom gets worse due to Gerhardt’s influence. People working under Gerhardt are being harassed to the point that they start a rebellion (it’s believed that Ryouma caused the rebellion as a distraction) and as a result, Bergston, Zeref, and Elena (the three most important people within Rozeria) abandon Lupis and switch sides with Ryouma. Ryouma didn’t have to do much to Lupis since the kingdom was already ruined without him doing much to it. Lupis is still alive (she fainted when she heard about the rebellion) so Ryouma hasn’t gotten to her yet.

We’re about 30 chapters away from catching up to the author, though there’s not much updates of the WN for sometime now.

Those people that are doing the rebellion are not under Gerhardt. They are just ordinary common people who had enough of the what the Kingdom is doing to them. Ryouma had nothing to do with this. Rather it was Gerhardt who instigated this in the first place. Those corrupt tax collectors and nobles are the one's following Gerhardt's order to impose tremendous taxes to the common people using Lupis' name to destabalize her rule which resulted in them rebelling. It's not helping that the summoned people like Sudou and Saito behind the scenes that are furthering the chaos so they can watch this world burn.

Lupis really shouldn't have accepted Gerhardt's terms of surrender: sparing his life in exchange for the life of that moronic retainer of hers, Mikhail Banashu. She had a chance to cut the head of the snake but didn't and now she's reaping what she sown.

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Lol really? I haven't gotten this far yet. Serves that idiotic queen right. Which chapter in Vol. 5 was this in?

V5-C8 is where it starts.

[Millennium Dude]

[QUOTE=NAJ P. Jackson;6265492]Those people that are doing the rebellion are not under Gerhardt. They are just ordinary common people who had enough of the what the Kingdom is doing to them. Ryouma had nothing to do with this. Rather it was Gerhardt who instigated this in the first place. Those corrupt tax collectors and nobles are the one's following Gerhardt's order to impose tremendous taxes to the common people to destabalize Lupis' rule which resulted in them rebelling. It's not helping that the summoned people like Sudou and Saito behind the scenes that are furthering the chaos so they can watch this world burn.

My bad. I meant to say that those under Gerhardt were harassing the citizens who decided to rebel. I believed that it was Ryouma because Elliot, who was working with the tax collector and is Sudou’s ally, was surprised by the rebellion taking place. He was trying to stage a rebellion but it happened much sooner than expected and many nobles and knights were wondering who the culprit is.

[Millennium Dude]

A more effective plan would have been to accept the terms but go back on their word later. Once they had entered Irachion castle and made sure Mikhail was within their grasp, they could have just execute Gerhardt and his loyal subordinates. They had outnumbered them and are at a advantage where they could just wipe Gerhardt and his forces off the map. Even if they had refused to spare Gerhardt, there’s a good chance that Gerhardt would have fled to another kingdom and they would have to deal with him at a later date.

Ryouma shouldn’t let Gerhardt lived even if Lupis wouldn’t agree to this plan. Gerhardt got Ryouma involved in the first place (well, it was Kyle, but I would still blame Gerhardt to a certain extent) and there’s a good chance that Gerhardt would hire other assassins to kill Ryouma out of revenge because Ryouma was the one who thwarted all of his plans. Sure Ryouma has ninjas but they were hired by Gerhardt in the first place, meaning that Gerhardt could hire someone even better. Ryouma should use whatever means possible to get rid of Gerhardt so that he wouldn’t be a threat to him in the future.

[Hiro Hayase]

Originally Posted by NAJ P. Jackson

Those people that are doing the rebellion are not under Gerhardt. They are just ordinary common people who had enough of the what the Kingdom is doing to them. Ryouma had nothing to do with this. Rather it was Gerhardt who instigated this in the first place. Those corrupt tax collectors and nobles are the one's following Gerhardt's order to impose tremendous taxes to the common people using Lupis' name to destabalize her rule which resulted in them rebelling. It's not helping that the summoned people like Sudou and Saito behind the scenes that are furthering the chaos so they can watch this world burn.

Lupis really shouldn't have accepted Gerhardt's terms of surrender: sparing his life in exchange for the life of that moronic retainer of hers, Mikhail Banashu. She had a chance to cut the head of the snake but didn't and now she's reaping what she sown.

V5-C8 is where it starts.

What are you saying? Ryouma did have a hand in it just like the other actors (Sudou's group). Ryouma knew it was going to happen and let it happen, and used the rebellion to take over the strongest Noble stronghold in the North. Also, did you forget that Ryouma sent out the Ninja's to accelerate the rebellion sooner than expected (Sudou's group's henchmen were surprised by the sooner than expected violent response by the townsfolk). The first arrow that killed a tax collector was from a ninja employed by Ryouma, most likely 99% certainty. That was a pivotal moment where the townsfolk were left with no choice but to defend themselves since the nobles would never believe their innocence, hence the situation could only escalate thanks to that killing shot made by an unknown perpetrator (Ryouma's ninja).

Ryouma hated Lupis a long time ago prior to that decisive moment. Nothing is more dangerous than incompetent allies. Not to mention the fact that other worlders in this novel have zero loyalty to any nation in this new world; majority of them even want to see the world burn up in flames. The male other worlders became slave soldiers, while the women were sexually abused in various ways by the nobles (who did it maliciously in front of the female other worlder's lovers, etc).

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Originally Posted by Hiro Hayase

What are you saying? Ryouma did have a hand in it just like the other actors (Sudou's group). Ryouma knew it was going to happen and let it happen, and used the rebellion to take over the strongest Noble stronghold in the North. Also, did you forget that Ryouma sent out the Ninja's to accelerate the rebellion sooner than expected (Sudou's group's henchmen were surprised by the sooner than expected violent response by the townsfolk). The first arrow that killed a tax collector was from a ninja employed by Ryouma, most likely 99% certainty. That was a pivotal moment where the townsfolk were left with no choice but to defend themselves since the nobles would never believe their innocence, hence the situation could only escalate thanks to that killing shot made by an unknown perpetrator (Ryouma's ninja).

Ryouma already knew Lupis' reign hangs in limbo unless she manage to build a power base which she utterly failed. He gave a prediction of 5 years but he was surprised that things degenerated much earlier than he anticipated when he went to visit the Kingdom capital and saw the state of things. This is why I think Ryouma had nothing to do with starting the rebellion. He knew it would happen eventually but until then he's been busy improving his own power base in preparation for that moment.

There's no evidence to support that the one to start the rebellion was from Ryouma's ninja spies. I don't remember that in the Novel. Although it was a little suspicious that Ryouma's helpers was conveniently place to save that Noble and his brother in law when they were being attacked. But I just chalk this up to another chance of the Author making Ryouma omnipotent and all-knowing.

[Flare007]

So right now the Raws of the novel are at a slow pace?

[Ramero]

Manga adaptation also getting slower as well.

[trowapeter]

About the ppl who killed the debt collector ,I'm guessing its Ryouma 's ninja who did the job .They after all specialised in poison arrow ,just like what they tried to kill Ryouma during Rozeria civil war.

Now what I'm interested and eager to see is how the Incompetent Lupis gonna react and whats gonna happen to her (killed or s̶p̶a̶r̶e̶d̶ ) . Pretty much her making her own fear become reality when she 'betrayed' Ryouma and awakes the sleeping snake.

On a side note ,Mikhail can go die for real this time.

[mickbis]

Originally Posted by Hanafi Bouchebout

I really want to start reading this Novel since the MC is Cool Strong and actually uses his head plus he actually kills those that are trying to use him in other words he's Human "Return Malice with Malice" and only cares for a few people that important to him and not "I love all people, I want to save all people" kind of dumb and arrogant MCs these days
But there is just one question in my head, Does he discriminate/differentiate when killing, in other words does he forgive people out of kindness even though they tried to kill him throughout the series and does he have a rule not to kill women(did he kill any female character that tried to kill him if, yes that would suck ) ?

Spoiler for spoiler:

He only kill when need.. and situation call for
He is not a killer
He is just a warrior that happen to have high leadership skill

He does spare someone that he is interest
And show no mercy to the one that need to be offed in other to advance his grand plan...

In other word he can be ruthless if need...
A devil toward enemy
But some kill are done by his personal assassin troop or important female cast
So dont think too much

[mickbis]

Nah he didn't forgive one solely because they're female
the one he allow to live is simply the one that he suspect of her background otherwise she would be dead instantly
so he would like to ask her personally
and someone negotiate her out, provide a lot more profit back to Ryouma

still we will need to wait and see when Ryouma got his hand on the idiot princess and her idiot knight

[Emperor of D.]

I really don't see why people have much hatred towards Lupis. If anything I just pity her. Sure, some of her decisions were stupid but in a way understandable. You guys are just looking at it from Ryouma's view and not Lupis.

[mickbis]

Well I'm not hate her, annoying and don't want to be around perhaps?
She is just an idiot whose decision keep on fuck everything that have been done by everyone so far
I expected her to end up as a caged bird by the end

The one I really hated are her 2 idiot knight
I just hate stupid irredeemable prideful character
The girl is just blockhead who know noting but blind loyalty
the guy tho.. earn so many reasons why he should have his head out on display in front of city gate

[DBAV]

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

I really don't see why people have much hatred towards Lupis. If anything I just pity her. Sure, some of her decisions were stupid but in a way understandable. You guys are just looking at it from Ryouma's view and not Lupis.

I see her as a half-assed ruler in every way, she's not cold enough to abandon the knight but she isn't kind enough to let ryouma go free after he gave her the throne.
A cold minded ruler would have killed the knight and kept ryouma caged and a kind ruler would have saved the knight and let ryouma go free, her half-assed decisions are coming to bite her ass, to me she looks like a hypocrite that wants to be loved as a wise and kind queen without taking any risks or looking bad.