2018-11-07, 01:28 | Link #61 |
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Here's some more optimism. While a giant blue tsunami did not occur, that the Democrats had managed to win the house along with numerous governor and stat legislature seats, despite all the advantages the Republicans had, is a massive win in itself.
While in the senate, the Democrats were at a massive disadvantage, with 26 seats to defend, 10 of which were in red states. Meanwhile the Republicans only had to defend 9 seats. Based on the house result, if this disadvantage did not exist, the Democrats probably could have won a small majority in the senate as well. |
2018-11-07, 03:48 | Link #63 |
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Urban vs Rural. Dem voters tend to be concentrated in high-population density areas, while GOP voters tend to be more spread out in rather rural areas. That's why maps of population for the US color coded by party affiliation tend to be 95% light red with several dark blue areas indicating the concentrated Dem population. That's why the popular vote is higher for dems. Dem areas have higher population concentration, but that's useless because an overwhelming win for the representative of a dem area doesn't translate to any "extra votes" for the rural area next to the city.
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2018-11-07, 06:26 | Link #65 |
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The percentage one way or the other seems to be very similar between the two house...like 51-49%, with each party holding one on them. But so many measures require more that just a simple majority. The really important stuff requires two-thirds majority or in even 75% for something.
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2018-11-07, 06:55 | Link #66 | |
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When was the last time a party held the house and 60+ senate seats? I remember a lot of people saying that Obama supposedly had that in his first term, but according to wikipedia that is not true.
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2018-11-07, 10:57 | Link #67 | |
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More talking about how Democracy doesn't work when so many people don't vote. :S
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2018-11-07, 13:01 | Link #68 |
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You're....kinda not supposed to. It's not a coincidence that the system doesn't really encourage people to vote. Even some of the Founding Fathers had a disdain for the "less educated" being capable of self governing. Voting used to be restricted to white males who owned property. Women couldn't vote until 1920, blacks couldn't vote until 1870. And even with those rights you had shit like Jim Crow to make it impossible to actually use the right. Heck, the Electoral College was literally born from Jim Crow.
The nation has paid a heavy price for not finishing Reconstruction, and it is placed on top of a system that was never friendly to people who weren't rich white men in the first place (and honestly if you look at the "elite" of the country, rich white men is still the status quo). It's a goddam mess that we're still fighting with, such as the bullshit "voter" laws and purges that are solutions looking for problems. Just look at Georgia last night. Or the recent high profile gerrymandering lawsuits. Or the stupid amount of money in these races. Or the fact that we're still electing, at the very least, racists, if not outright white supremacists. That's why you need passion. Passion gets people to the polls. Those votes matter, because individually they're so worthless, but when these battles are won by mere percents....it's huge. Every bit helps. You need candidates people are excited about. It's a big reason why Bernie is so popular. It's a big reason why Hillary lost. It's a big reason why Trump is so popular with his base. It's a big reason why Beto nearly won, and he probably flipped a few seats in Texas even though he lost his own bid. It is possible to make change in the system. Historically though, it has always been really really damn hard. Often intentionally so, for the sake of preserving power. And often, because people don't mind voting for bad politicians over and over again because humans are idiots.
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2018-11-07, 16:00 | Link #70 | |
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BTW, Sessions has been fired and rodsenstein can't be far behind (give if a few hours). If the repubs in congress give the votes for whoever trump nominates in their place, then I say the final nail for the republican party, from now on it would be the neocon party! |
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2018-11-07, 19:48 | Link #73 | |
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-Whitaker was not presently holding a Senate approved position when he got this appointment -Sessions was for all practical purposes fired (despite semantics about resigning on request)
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2018-11-07, 19:59 | Link #74 |
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https://twitter.com/aabramson/status...26374976962560
"Pelosi says that WHEN democrats win they will strive for bipartisanship. “We have to try,” she says, citing the founding fathers" Glad to see Dems havent't learned a single f*cking thing! |
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2018-11-07, 21:24 | Link #76 | |
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Furthermore, trump benefits from the polarization and the division that helped him get elected. That's why he's been instigating culture wars, depicting the left as the bogeyman who's going to steal your jobs and guns, to widen the polarization. basically the dems are going to at least try to stop this polarization that benefits trump. Even though a Democrat controlled house will now provide a check on trump, the house now gives trump a clear, solid enemy through which he can confront and place all the blame on. Blunting trump on every action he and the Republican party takes in the next two years, can actually hurt the dems in the 2020 election. Before, trump falsely blamed the Democrats from stopping the Republicans from passing immigration reform, even though the republican had complete control of Congress. Trump can now legitimately blame the dems for whenever some legislation isnt passed, regardless of the context, and his base will just eat it up. Last edited by coded321; 2018-11-07 at 22:21. |
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2018-11-08, 01:29 | Link #79 |
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No doubt he realized that all those people around him telling him and promoting the idea of him having a king were really looking for their self interest, looking forward to all the perks of becoming the new nobility. But trumpo would love to hear people asking him to become king.
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2018-11-08, 04:16 | Link #80 | |
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Maybe Steve Bannon was right, and the next elections will be all about Trump-style right-wing, conservative populism vs. left-wing, socialist populism a'la Bernie. But I'm gonna stick with my prediction that the left wins the next one.
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