Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans Episode 24 Discussion / Poll

[RRW]

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[FerrusManus]

That was a really bloody episode. The Butchers Bill so far:

Spoiler for Dead, Wounded, Unknown:

Dead:
- Multiple Tekkadan pilots including Ride
Wounded:
- Norba (his MS was trashed, but he is alive)
Unknown:
- Azee (possibly dead, at least heavily wounded)
- Lafter (possibly dead, at least heavily wounded)

[B214]

Too much action in one episode, my heart can barely take it.
I thought i missed an episode when i started this episode this episode though.
One thing i got from this episode however is Ein is more insane than Tekkadan is at this point. I guess he's the "final villain" of this show.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Magnificent.......Magnificent episode!

So. many. deaths.

Spoiler for Similar to Gundam 00 season 1 ending.....:

Pink-Shark Graze with its pilot got wrecked. Death still vague.

Turbine girls got "Shrike Team"-ed (aka. grisly demise). May they join the Shrike girls in GBF-valhalla.

Tons of Tekkadan kids died.

Salute & RIP for you all. Your fight and struggle won't be forgotten forever <T-T.

[Stark700]

Damn...bloody episode.

Spoiler:

I'm guessing Lafter is likely dead, more so than Azee. Tekkadan pilots' body counts this episode also climbing up.....

I wonder how they plan to wrap up this season though. Looking like a climatic battle but I hope for more. (yes, that means I hope they announce the second season next week).

[dienrachen]

I can't believe they did away with the battle just with "we'll, we've been fighting for 3 days off-screen."

Bleh.

That's what you get for wasting so much time earlier on rather weightless events. Don't get me wrong, I still think IBO is great... but the pacing is completely out of whack. The whole ending feels incredibly rushed. Even the battles are like that - I mean, was Gaelio knocked out so badly that he didn't see Mika leaving, or what?

On the plus side, the mobile suit action was rather nice. Especially since it's no longer Tekkadaon owning everyone!

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by dienrachen

I can't believe they did away with the battle just with "we'll, we've been fighting for 3 days off-screen."

Bleh.

That's what you get for wasting so much time earlier on rather weightless events.

Well, from my observation, there's nothing really important happened between those skipped three days aside from maybe the first encounter with the Gjallarhorn forces and both sides keep on fighting and fighting. We still get all the important fights. Also, the time skip is important to show how Orga didn't just recklessly storming Gjallarhorn's defenses by sacrificing all those kids and tried to go through with minimal loss of lives even though it took time. But reality speaks otherwise, and he finally made that last gamble because they ran out of time and provision. Narrative-wise, it's good.

Originally Posted by dienrachen

I mean, was Gaelio knocked out so badly that he didn't see Mika leaving, or what?

Yeah, looks like it. Since Gaelio didn't use AV-system, Mika still have the upper hand (even though his Gundam alone is pretty troublesome for Mika this episode).

[Jestersage]

Well, McGillis better think of something, since he can't go back to Gallejhorn now...

[B214]

Originally Posted by Jestersage

Well, McGillis better think of something, since he can't go back to Gallejhorn now...

He'll start selling chocolates to little girls.

[dienrachen]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Well, from my observation, there's nothing really important happen between those three days aside from maybe the first encounter with Gjallarhorn troops and both sides keep on fighting and fighting.

I don't know. It feels less "less important" than the sake ceremony with the space-yakuza leader, which added about 0 to the overall story. Maybe nice from a world-building perspective, but frankly, we've never seen those guys since, and even Naze had practically zero importance since.

The whole side-story feels... weightless to me. Which makes the time allocated to it feels wasted, when I see how rushed the ending is.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

We still get all the important fights. Also, the time skip is important to show how Orga didn't just recklessly storming Gjallarhorn defenses sacrificing all those kids and tried to go through with minimal loss of lives. But reality speaks otherwise, and he finally make that last bet before they ran out of time and provision. Narrative-wise, it's good.

I think it's very cheap. They don't show us anything about Tekkadan struggling, they just throw a thirty-second montage and dearly ask us to believe. Don't get me wrong; narration can be a rather useful tool. In the original Gundam the major events our heroes didn't partake in were narrated, and I loved that. Here, however, they're skipping stuff we should've seen.

I mean, this feels like as if they declared that Tekkadan landed on Earth after a daring operation, instead of showing anything.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Yeah, looks like it. Since he didn't use AV-system, Mika still have the upper hand (even though his Gundam alone is pretty troublesome for Mika this episode)

That raises even more questions though. Why didn't Mika finish Gaelio off if he was out cold anyway? Why didn't McGillis do so either? Or if Gaelio wasn't knocked out, why did he simply let Mika go - the very guy he was swearing to exact vengeance on?

All in all it feels like another example of "oops, we have no time, Mika go and meet the final boss or else ep 25 will be too hectic".

[blakstealth]

So much death. I swear to god if Lafter and Azee are dead....I can't. ;_;

[Ryuuoh DeltaPlus]

Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived Pls tell me Lafter survived


*cries in a corner*

[Terrestrial Dream]

That was really good episode. Great tension and some intense action scenes. The rush towards the parliament was sudden, I would have like to see more as they try to enter the city. This episode they are not really hesitating killing, though most are fodders. Now I doubt the girl pilots are dead, if they were dead it would have been more clear. As for Ein's appearance, he is all screwy and shit. At current point I can see Galileo dying and screwing up Ein even more, wouldn't that be a sight to see.

The major negative of this episode was rest of Tekkadan coming out of nowhere. That was so poorly done and just killed some of the tension in the episode. Thank god for Ein coming down and kicking ass for adding the tension back in.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by dienrachen

I don't know. It feels less "less important" than the sake ceremony with the space-yakuza leader, which added about 0 to the overall story. Maybe nice from a world-building perspective, but frankly, we've never seen those guys since, and even Naze had practically zero importance since.

The whole side-story feels... weightless to me. Which makes the time allocated to it feels wasted, when I see how rushed the ending is.

The sake-ceremony episode is to establish the deep connection between Tekkadan & Turbines and to introduce Merribit. Without it, Lafter, Azee & Eco won’t be here aiding Tekkadan and they’ll be screwed. The Sakazuki episode also established the pact between McMurdo & Kudelia and IIRC it’s the first time Kudelia talked about the half-metal policy which is the essence of her negotiation. Thanks to her deal, Teiwaz is still helping Tekkadan so far (the train and all). All that said, I agree that the Sakazuki episode could be trimmed into half its duration (but cannot be completely erased). Many Gundam series before IBO also employed good time-skips like this without problem.

Originally Posted by dienrachen

I think it's very cheap. They don't show us anything about Tekkadan struggling, they just throw a thirty-second montage and dearly ask us to believe. Don't get me wrong; narration can be a rather useful tool. In the original Gundam the major events our heroes didn't partake in were narrated, and I loved that. Here, however, they're skipping stuff we should've seen.

I mean, this feels like as if they declared that Tekkadan landed on Earth after a daring operation, instead of showing anything.

I think the montage or action-intro and Merribit’s narration already told us effectively what was happening. So, maybe it's cheap, but it does the job, just like how Spielberg didn't show the shark in Jaws due to technical problems with the roboshark and no more budget to build another robot. The result was "less is more". So yeah, agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by dienrachen

That raises even more questions though. Why didn't Mika finish Gaelio off if he was out cold anyway? Why didn't McGillis do so either? Or if Gaelio wasn't knocked out, why did he simply let Mika go - the very guy he was swearing to exact vengeance on?

All in all it feels like another example of "oops, we have no time, Mika go and meet the final boss or else ep 25 will be too hectic".

Because Mika’s in a hurry and near panic after he saw Eindroid leaping to chase Orga & Kudelia to the city? And finishing off a heavily-reinforced Gundam Kimaris Trooper will take more time than knocking the pilot out? I mean, if Mika did what you wanted him to do then we’ll have triple-death (Orga, Atra & Kudelia) in a single hit and that would end Tekkadan & Kudelia, and pretty much end the story aside from watching Mika witnessing their deaths in despair and then going HAM on Graze Ein.

[Faux Mecha]

i think its was McGillis that knocked out Gaelio not Mika, he might gave Mika an opening so he can save Kudelia & the others from becoming minced meat, still there is like a death flag branded on Atra, heck Orga himself at that scene, McGillis might not make it out either since he's facing a Gundam unless he has a trick on his sleeve,

also its kind of a bad luck to who ever piloted the Ryusei-Go Graze that is being Crank's Graze that Ein wanted to return to his beloved sempai, Shino made himself a main target for Ein's rage, also that was not Shino's body being thrown out after Ein's pry his cockpit right? just a panel for the hatch or something?

i hope they showed us on how Eugene's team & the former Brewers members with McGillis managed to successfully enter the earth despite they were on the run being hunted by the Gjallarhorn fleet, don't tell me Eugene & his mates are going to bite the dust too? then who's going to get them out of there?

[tsunade666]

this is one bloody awesome episode. From the struggle to the speech to the speechless Merri and the bloody breakthrough and finally crank up Ein and Mika coming to the rescue.

Second season pleas.e

[Faux Mecha]

so far the named characters that bite the dust whether they were just badly wounded or straight up dead for this episode:

-Azee
-Lafter
-Shino
-Ride (along with the kids who were still really young & have a future ahead for them)
-Dante
-Dio

& the rest of Tekkadan who got their Mobile Workers blown to pieces, both the CGS one & the ones that lacked the A-V system who were screaming as they got shot, some of the wounded that was given medical attention might died along the way when they were transported to retreat.

[Knight_SV]

Ein really insane. i hope mika will crush him with the chainsaw mace next week

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Global Sword 2

i think its was McGillis that knocked out Gaelio not Mika, he might gave Mika an opening so he can save Kudelia & the others from becoming minced meat...

Ah, yes, that's also possible.

Originally Posted by Global Sword 2

so far the named characters that bite the dust whether they were just badly wounded or straight up dead for this episode:

-Dante

Dante was with Eugene, Chad, and Brewers kids in the white MWs, and I didn't see any them got shot or destroyed (yet).

[Knight_SV]

gaelio will be garma'ed next week