2006-04-13, 13:15 | Link #1 | |
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Is it okay to break a law just because you disagree with it?
Well. well... well.... here's a nice little topic for ya to think for a little longer then 5 seconds.
- Again I found this on slickdeals Here ya go -- Go Debate on this till everyone's mad. Here's some rules - (that's if anyone reads this first post after the 20th post) #1. No short answers, unless you can plainly support it. #2. Follow rule #1 #3. Avoid unnecessary flaming. #4. Do as rule #3 says. #5. Enjoy this thread. ^_^ Quote:
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As anyone might be able to decifer the exactness of both scenarios, and the meanings that it was suppose it mean are so closely related the difference between them are nano meters apart. I personlly couldn't find much differences, so its yas turn. ps: I'll refine this thread later. Enjoy.
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2006-04-13, 13:42 | Link #2 |
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If one is protesting an unjust law, and is willing to accept the consequences, it's ok to break it. This does not apply to things like bank robbery or murder obviously. I'd also say if a law is unenforced, it's also ok, as that means no one particulary cares about it. Besides, there are some strange laws on the books in many places.
What was that about copyright infringement? Hey! What's that behind you?!! *Dash*
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2006-04-13, 17:46 | Link #3 |
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The latter scenario degrades people's respect for the law and sets a precedent that it is fine for any speed limit to be broken. The former can cause the same effect if repeated enough.
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2006-04-13, 17:47 | Link #4 |
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I disagree with most of the law
i think its bullshit i got to go to school because i should have the freedom to chose what i want to do I think getting in a fight with someone shouldnt mean more cops caus i have many problems with many people, and what hurt does fighting do if sum ppl r just asking for it? thats justice, and if we could pick our fights like that it would save the law the trouble of trying to fight us. |
2006-04-13, 17:56 | Link #5 | |
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#2. No police force means anyone can pick a fight with anyone else regardless of how they justify it, or whether they even care about justice at all. i.e. someone can walk up and shoot you for no reason. Is it justice? If they say it is, then it is because there's noone to contest it. That's the kind of logic that started the holocaust. |
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2006-04-13, 18:09 | Link #6 | |
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Laws are there for a reason, no matter how trivial it may seem. If you justify breaking a law for any reason, then it will simply continue to cascade. Even if you believe a law is blatantly wrong, there is no reason why you should believe that you can get away with breaking it as if we do not accept responsibility for our actions it will lead to an inevitably crash of the social order. The status quo is here for a reason, if a law is in place then it is in place for a reason. It's why in debate the neg side is impossible to lose if you understand the game. The system is there to inact what is seen as the most reasonable form of 'justice' if we were all to choose anarchy it is doubtless that our current social structure would collapse upon itself. Quote:
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2006-04-13, 18:16 | Link #7 | |
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2006-04-13, 18:20 | Link #8 | |
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I know how to read i dont think i need anymore learning by now its just borin crap and i said fight, not shooting =/ though i say if theres evidence sum1 was provoking u, and u shot them u shouldnt get in trouble. |
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2006-04-13, 18:44 | Link #10 | |
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And how do you define 'provoking'? Is calling you names provoking? Is flirting with your girlfriend provoking? Is just looking at you the wrong way provoking? If you don't have a definition of what 'provoking' is, then anybody can shoot anybody for anything. Laws are completely necessary for large groups of people to co-exist. It would be impossible to maintain a technological civilisation without them, let alone create one in the first place. Of course, whether you choose to obey those laws or not is entirely up to you. But by choosing not to obey them, you are placing yourself outside the bounds of your community and should expect to take the consequences of that. You have to decide whether disobeying the law you choose to is worth the possible penalty of doing so. |
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2006-04-13, 18:46 | Link #11 | |
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Personally I don't believe shooting a person could be justified if they say...gave you the finger.
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It's not that I'm against civil disobedience, I just believe you must accept the responsibilities. We as a whole need a reality check I think, rather then the laws themselves. Every action has a reaction, and people need to understand that, without standardized law there will be chaos. :Upset: Of course I could be grasping what you are trying to say incorrectly and if that's the case then you have my apologies.I've had so much work dumped on me in preparation of finals and APs that I my ability to comprehend things correctly decided to take a day off. |
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2006-04-13, 18:47 | Link #12 |
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The government will break under the weight of its people and can't make martyrs out of everyone. Not only do I believe laws you do not agree with should be broken, but you should encourage others to break this law until the injustice of this law is made absolutely clear.
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2006-04-13, 18:49 | Link #13 | |
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I go to school in the u.s, since it says i live in CT (the poor area , poor as in i cant even afford to go to college so wuts the point. i dont know any1 that went anyways) lik if sum1 talks shit about u, and u go and u jump them. Than u get in trouble. I got suspended for pushin my teacher out the way caus i wanted to leave class b4 i took out my razor i had (didnt say i had tho, and i didnt get caught with it) and slashed this kid that was pisin me off. I should have the rit to fuck that kid up, and to push people who try to baricade me. |
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2006-04-13, 19:27 | Link #16 | |
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2006-04-13, 19:28 | Link #17 | |
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To the first, I'd call it a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you don't want to do the work to get away from it, or you don't see the paths that you can take, you won't get there. To the second ... I'd say that's both childish and morally reprehensible. But I wouldn't say so to your face, out of the pragmatic realization that you'd probably react by trying to stab me in the neck with a pencil or something stupid like that. As for the assertion that you don't need any more education, I mean no offense, but a brief examination of your writing style says otherwise . Regardless, I'm not your guidance counselor (nor your parole officer), and I'm probably not going to convince you of anything. To the question at hand, I think it's your moral responsibility to break laws that are truly unjust. Particularly, it's your responsibility to break laws you feel are unjust when they involve the lives of other people in a direct way. However, there's a fine line between "unjust law" and "simply idiotic law", and it's important to pick your battles appropriately. I wouldn't give the "civil disobedience" label to someone driving 20 over the limit (in very many cases, speed limits are stupid laws -- particularly on US interstates), or driving drunk or recklessly firing a handgun in a city (both potentially very harmful to innocent people). I would, however, give it to a conscientious objector refusing to participate in military service, or a soldier refusing an order that he believes to be unjust. The most important part of civil disobedience, in my opinion, is that you aren't harming others by with it. After all ... if the law you're protesting to prevents you from harming others, it's probably not going to meet the criteria for an unjust law. |
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2006-04-13, 19:33 | Link #18 |
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i was gonna slash him, but i chose to leave the class.
however the teacher saying i cant leave and blockin the way just made another problem they had popo up in there (i not afraid of them, i find it kinda funny that they think every1 so intimidated by them. "young man show sum respect, u kno wut i can do" lmao). also as u can tell, i find it easier to type like such. I have the mental capacity to type in such an appropriate manor, however its rather pointless. I believe to disrespect someone due to their typing is quite immature, and it shows your insecurites with your esteem. Does it make you feel better to belittle me? anyways i think that the law is a lil to uptight, i mean its ridiculous all the things i get in trouble for =/ |
2006-04-13, 19:54 | Link #19 | |
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With that behavior and attitude I sure that you will get plenty of job skills training in prison. |
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2006-04-13, 19:58 | Link #20 | |
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but i did not try to get smart for nuthin unlik many ppl here, i hav one goal in life and me and my bestfriend swore on our lives to uphold this goal. it gives me a purpose, and its probally the reason i'm not in jail now |
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