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Old 2018-09-07, 18:27   Link #2081
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Kim Jong Un of North Korea proclaims “unwavering faith in President Trump.” Thank you to Chairman Kim. We will get it done together!
Yep. That's his character witness. Well done.
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Old 2018-09-07, 18:43   Link #2082
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Whew, was worried we had a problem. Thank goodness for trustworthy character witnesses. No way good ol Kim would lie right?
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Old 2018-09-14, 00:47   Link #2083
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Number game:
3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000...
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Old 2018-09-16, 03:08   Link #2084
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I don't know who Trump is trying to sway with this argument. It's dumb - maybe the newest numbers are off, but obviously they're still way more accurate than 6 or 18.

What matters is whether it was feds or locals who botched the relief efforts, and there arguments can be made either way.
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Old 2018-09-16, 03:38   Link #2085
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I don't know who Trump is trying to sway with this argument. It's dumb - maybe the newest numbers are off, but obviously they're still way more accurate than 6 or 18.
It's two different numbers. 6 or 18 is the number of people directly killed by the hurricane. Drowned, took a tree branch to the face, whatever.

3000 is the number of people killed as a result of the hurricane. No electricity for a life support machine, for example.

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What matters is whether it was feds or locals who botched the relief efforts, and there arguments can be made either way.
Just saying, but an argument could be made the Feds didn't even try.
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Old 2018-09-17, 11:51   Link #2086
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3000 is the number of people killed as a result of the hurricane. No electricity for a life support machine, for example.
Or from falling off a roof or being the victim of spousal abuse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...0af_story.html

BTW, the GWU study was commissioned by the Puerto Rican governor. Funny how Brock doesn't know that despite supposedly talking to Gov. Rossillo all the time.

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Just saying, but an argument could be made the Feds didn't even try.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...c99_story.html

Just a reminder: Puerto Rico is a US territory whose residents are US citizens.
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Old 2018-09-17, 16:18   Link #2087
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Just a reminder: Puerto Rico is a US territory whose residents are US citizens.
After reading the article, help me understand one thing: The army is not willing / not able to send in more manpower because Puerto Rico allegedly didn't ask for it officially. The army and by extension the government is seeing disaster strike their own country and holds back large parts of potential relief efforts because of some bureaucratic hurdles? Are you actually serious?
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Old 2018-09-17, 17:21   Link #2088
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State governments have the power to keep Federal support out or not ask for help to prevent potential federal take over of said state governments. The US Consritution is specific in that if that document or its amendments does not give the Federal government a power, that power rests with the States (Tenth Amendment).

Puerto Rico is the territory that is nearly a state, but doesn't get all the benefits of statehood, but has most of the negatives. It should have become a state via its population size alone a generation ago.
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Old 2018-09-18, 08:41   Link #2089
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But Puerto Rico didn't keep support out and did ask for help. So what is the problem here?

Also I'm aware Americans love their holy scripture more than having three meals a day but when there are people dying and you have the ability to save them, perhaps it's time to turn a blind eye.
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Well, the whole "muh state rights" idea was the concept that local and state governments would be closer to their people's needs as well as a fear of centralized power. Of course this breaks down when it doesn't work

In practice though, it's mostly used as a talking point by conservatives and usually we've had many instances of "State's Rights" being used to justify slavery, racism, and other things because local oppression is not as bad as national oppression or something.

So it should bring no surprise that it's an excuse to not care about places struck by disasters, because hey, it's not the rich people. And consider the ethnonationalist rhetoric that's popular lately, and you can see what's going on.
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Old Today, 18:58   Link #2091
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Puerto Rico s not going to be a proper state anytime soon because it leans considerably "left" and that means more left wing Senators and House reps.
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Old Today, 20:09   Link #2092
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As I said, it should have become a state a while ago. Like around 1999 after it been part of the United States for 100 years.
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