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Okay everyone, how about Haman Karn? She’s tough, a good leader, has great charisma, has a goal of herself (independent of any man), still feminine to some extent, has her own internal conflict, and (most importantly) she has no “fanservice shots” during the entirety of Zeta Gundam IIRC. Is that a good portrait of a proper non-sexist “female fighter” or “action girl”?
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2012-10-29, 01:18 | Link #163 | |
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Zeta Gundam's just a really good anime.
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2012-10-29, 09:20 | Link #164 | |
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I use the occasional male avatar and even a couple of animal ones, too. Here, have a look....
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2012-10-29, 16:16 | Link #165 | |
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2012-10-30, 23:27 | Link #167 | |
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Other "Action Girl" characters that are favorits, all of whom I don't see as overly sexualized or sexist: Canaan from her self-titled series. Never really sexualized. OK, sure fans like to read yuri into her relationship with Maria, but her clothing are normal clothing, sensible for a mercenary working under cover in the civilian population to wear. Indeed her character is shaped much more by her tragic past as a child soldier. By the same note, Roberta of Black Lagoon, while having the whole maid outfit thing going in the first season, it is semi-justified as a disguise. Like Canaan, Roberta is really shaped around her traumatic experiences of her past, as well as her attempts to redeem herself by protecting Garcia, the type of experiences that would likely cause similar trauma in a male or female. Akemi Homura: I know she was on the list at the beginning, but I don't see her as a particularly sexist or sexualized. She doesn't have that much of an overly feminine side, save for her school uniform and mahou shoujo outfits. She always struck me as very strong, independent character, especially compared to Madoka. I always liked her, not only for her epic rocket spamming, but also for her never giving up in the face of adversity. Really, she was truly more a main character than Madoka. Nanoha Takamachi has been discussed at length, feminine, even sexy, but that does not define her character, more so, she is defined by a sort of inherent sense of sympathy and caring. Exceedingly good natured, but for some reason never striking me as Mary Sue-ish. will add more as I think of them. |
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2012-10-31, 15:28 | Link #168 |
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So we've talked a lot about Japanese anime and what not, but what about Japanese games. Last night my friend directed me to a trailer for an upcoming game by Sega Treasure for the 3DS, which is getting a lot of good press for it's gameplay, however it also caught my attention because I think it's pertinent to the topic I created. Why don't I just post the trailer for now:
Some things I've already considered are how this game would fair here if released as is? Is the costume really necessary and how does the overall gameplay style mesh with the art design and choice of lead character? Also what does it say about Japanese games in general which already get a lot of flack from Western media for some of the content and costumes? How does it compare to Western games and their aesthetic and design at least when it comes to trailer presentation and appeal? |
2012-10-31, 16:06 | Link #169 | |
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I'll pose the opposite question. Is it really necessary for Western games to exclude all colors that aren't shades of brown? Art choices are art choices. Gameplay doesn't get better or worse because of art choices, neither does the story.
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Sexy female characters -> Sexist? Why aren't sexualized male characters (Whoever the hell Taylor Lautner played in that Twilight thing, bishounen leads, etc for) considered sexist against guys? Because it isn't sexist. You have attractive characters, what is wrong with them showing off how attractive they are? Even if you over do it until it's a major distraction from everything else, that's not sexism, it's bad directing. |
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2012-10-31, 17:04 | Link #170 | |
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2012-10-31, 17:56 | Link #172 | |
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2012-10-31, 18:23 | Link #173 |
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Is it wrong that I found the Soap/Cpt. Price man love thing in the second game to be the most meaningful and "human interest" part of the story? I mean when Captain Price punched that Sam Elliot sound alike general and Soap threw that knife into his eye in slow motion....they did it all for each other man! *single tear*
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2012-10-31, 19:50 | Link #175 |
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I don't know if I'd call Revy "sexist." That is a term I usually apply to abstract concepts like ideas or social institutions or, in this case, modes of story-telling. Revy certainly is highly sexualized. Would she be as compelling if she wore a more modest dress or a body suit and did not flash so much skin? I think it would be hard to argue that Revy was not drawn to appeal to male readers/viewers. Still, as Jessica Rabbit says, "I'm not bad; I'm just drawn this way."
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2012-10-31, 20:01 | Link #176 |
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I highly doubt she was drawn like that for men. Most girls who tend to be "bad" dress like that for free movement. I honestly think that's just how Revy is accustomed dressing up. Eda for example is just like her. Each character has their own personal style from my perspective.
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2012-10-31, 20:26 | Link #177 | |
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You know, there’s a difference between portraying a character’s beauty and focusing on a certain “private” areas. By “fanservise shot”, I didn’t mean “beauty shot”. Fanservice shot is more “perverted” in nature. An example of these would be a scene during characters’ conversation where they didn’t focus on the female’s face or overall body, but focusing on their breast, thigh, crotch, or belly button instead. I don’t know about you, but I think that kinda shots are belittling the female characters by treating them like a mere sexual object (the same thing also applied to male characters). That’s why I consider the absence of “fanservice shots” important (if not the most important) aspect of a true respectable Action Girl character.
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1. In the eyes of the post's author, the most important part of having a proper non-sexist action girl, is lack of fanservice. 2. Further more, the rest of the traits that I think define a proper non-sexist action girl, the strong personality and good writing, are explicitly stated to be less important than lack of fanservice in making a character a proper non-sexist action girl. 3. From that I think it is reasonable to assume that the author of the post thinks that fanservice (portraying sexy female characters) -> sexist. Quote:
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If their attractiveness is the ONLY thing being emphasized, that is sexist, but if it is one part of many, I really don't see a problem with that. |
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2012-10-31, 21:11 | Link #179 |
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Agent Aika is the perfect illustration of what Obelisk tries to convey. Aika herself is a okay character, and the series would have been okay as a b movie style action OAV. But the staff's constant obsession with ass and crotch shots just killed. There is nothing wrong with eye candy, I mean I like my scantily clad sword girls in bikini armor as much I love dignified women in full plate like Hildegard from Soul Calibur, but too much of those service shots just kills it as surely as the excessive use of any tropes.
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2012-10-31, 21:26 | Link #180 | |
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Also @Sheba. Thanx for making my point clearer .
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