2012-06-09, 16:58 | Link #441 | |
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Berserker and Archer, quite simply, would be curb stomped if Gilgamesh were serious. The light novel even lampshades the fact - when Tokiomi recalls Gilgamesh after his first fight against Berserker, it's commented that Berserker couldn't have handled the number of Noble Phantasms that Gilgamesh planned on unleashing. As for Shirou/ Archer - Ea is untraceable, and they also have nothing to play against Gilgamesh's multitude of 'sure win' attacks. Archer's best defense, Rho Aius, only barely manages to fend off Lancer's Gae Bolg, and its power is not comparable to Ea. Gil is introduced and -defined- as the anti-Servant. He is the Servant who counters all the other servants. |
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2012-06-09, 18:58 | Link #442 | |
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Oh yeah, I would love that. BTW, how do you think the anime will end?; I believe Ufotable will put the scene when Kiritsugu and Shirou talk before Kerry dies. In my opinion, that scene will help potential F/SN viewers or readers to understand why Shirou wants to be a hero of justice in the visual novel. I would love though, that after that the last scene is when Saber is summoned by Shirou and then she asks him if he is her master but that's wishful thinking. Last edited by Linkark07; 2012-06-10 at 06:48. |
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2012-06-09, 19:03 | Link #443 | |
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Berserker definitely could have kept going, remember Berserker himself was also holding back. The anime doesn't explain this, but Berserker not only gains a stat boost in everything once he draws Arondight, but his true fighting skill is unlocked, which actually surpasses Knight of Honor, which already provides him complete mastery of any weapon. But ya, if Gil was serious, even Zero Berserker would be easily taken out.
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2012-06-10, 01:24 | Link #444 | |
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2012-06-10, 01:34 | Link #445 |
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I'm not sure what is coming next ep. It feels like there should be more than one episode for the conclusion... will have to read the novels to truly find out but I would prefer to have very little F/SN at the end.
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2012-06-10, 01:57 | Link #446 |
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I hope the next episode will end on the cliffhanger of Kiritsugu using his last command spell, and that's already pushing it. Any more and it will feel so rushed. As for how it ends, i always imagined it would be Kiritsugu having a flashback of Shirley's question as he dies, and it ending with Kerry answering "i want to be a hero!". But that shirou summon saber scene really appeals to me too. As long as they don't completely leave out Shirou, i'll be satisfied i think.
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2012-06-10, 04:17 | Link #447 | |
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Really? Having read F/SN, we already know quite a bit of what will unfold from this point on. Even the anime adaptation revealed a lot of the 4th War's ending.
Spoiler for F/SN stuff, don't check if you'd rather got into F/Z's climax with your memory unrefreshed:
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I think the chances of seeing Shirou summon Saber are slim to none though, and personally I wouldn't want to see that conclude Fate/Zero anyway. They'd have to quickly introduce the new war, have Shirou be attacked by F/SN Lancer, etc. which would just be too much. It should simply end with this scene: Spoiler:
Only with ufotable production values rather than DEEN's crappy ones, of course. |
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2012-06-10, 04:26 | Link #448 | |
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2012-06-10, 04:32 | Link #449 |
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Yeah, I believe Saber's assessment of him is probably the more accurate one there, but I still want to see the moment it happened for myself before being sure of anything.
And Gil's panicked "What are you doing, Saber!?" line in the preview for episode 24 definitely hints at the possibility of it being shown in the next episode, so I'm all the more excited for it (while still hoping they don't rush anything of course). |
2012-06-10, 06:46 | Link #450 |
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Yeah, I'm sure next episode is the end of the 4th Holy Grail War. The cliffhanger in my opinion is when Kerry orders Saber to destroy the grail.
And yes, after seeing how Gilgamesh respected Iskandar and Waver I believe he was affected by the Grail corruption in some way, even though he doesn't want to admit it. |
2012-06-10, 07:21 | Link #451 | |
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So yeah, it's not like Urobuchi simply decided to give him less villainous qualities out of the blue. Those were there already, only it made sense to make them clearer and more frequent in his pre-Grail corruption self. Not to mention, of course, there's no Broskander in the 5th War, and he was the main source of "respectful Gil" moments in Zero. It doesn't help that him and Kotomine barely had any scenes together in F/SN either (which feels like a huge waste after watching Zero and seeing how awesome they are together). |
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2012-06-10, 07:41 | Link #453 | ||
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2012-06-10, 07:58 | Link #454 |
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I don't think Gilgamesh has been corrupted by the grail, at least not to an extent that would change his personality. His behavior towards Rider is merely a rare exception. He's treated everybody else like trash in this war, and clearly derived pleasure from seeing other people suffering (Saber in particular). If you discount his interactions with Rider, then F/Z's Gilgamesh is really not all that different from F/SN Gil.
The differences there are could be attributed to the fact he's spent 10 long years observing the human world, and what he's witnessed made him grow even more disgusted of humanity.
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2012-06-10, 09:12 | Link #455 |
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I wouldn't call it changing his personality, simply bringing to the surface his meaner streak a little more often. And sure he's been an ass towards most people in this war, but nothing in the same league as, say, the way he killed Illya in UBW.
But yeah, I also factor the 10 years into it. In the 4th War, at the beginning of his new life in the modern world, he seems to hold a glass half full perspective towards it; it is unspeakably ugly, but there are still worthwhile people if you look closely, so it's all good. But come the 5th War, it seems he's already grown weary of it and has instead adopted a glass half empty perspective, which translates into wanting to rid the world of all of the "meaningless extras" so only the worthwhile ones remain. Either that or the boredom got to him: Spoiler:
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2012-06-11, 08:07 | Link #457 | ||
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He's just lost more respect for humans, and the low-calibre Servants of the Fifth Heaven's Feel did not help. Quote:
Arondight provides a hefty boost and other bonuses (such as Dragon-slaying), but it SEALS his other Noble Phantasms. It does not unlock "more fighting skills". Eternal Arms Mastership is the one that causes him to retain martial arts prowess (which is not sealed by Arondight,due to being a skill). Knight of Honour is the one that lets him grab light poles and use them as Noble Phantasms. |
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2012-06-12, 02:32 | Link #458 | |
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Obvious problem is Saber's conclusion. But... you'll see.
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2012-06-12, 02:48 | Link #459 | |
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I realize you find Kiritsugu's ideal to be abominable, but do you really believe he would be unhappy with how Shirou turned out in UBW (which was all I was even saying in that post you quoted)? |
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