[Manga] Chapter 342 Discussion

[Master Mold]

Originally Posted by Sinaura

The Naruto clone had an uber mega rasengan, no matter what anyone says the clone had an uber mega rasengan. That's not like a puddle of water or the color of the fur of a rabbit, it was an uber mega rasengan. No matter what anyone says, that Naruto clone was the main threat and therefore the first thing that needed to be taken care of in an experienced shinobi's mind. The trick was by no means the most cunning trick, but the clone was a real threat and Kakuzu knew exactly how dangerous that jutsu was to him. If Kakuzu went after the other Narutos instead he would've gotten hit anyways. So by all means I'd say he did what any other ninja would've done.

QFT .................

[cheez-it_god]

I know there were 4 others that he had to keep an eye out for, but how did Kakuzu lose track of which was the real Naruto? He sees the real one standing there, then make 3 other kage-bunshins around him, but the real one is still standing in the same spot(unless KB-user has the ability to make a switcheroo between bunshins). I'm sure you'd want to keep an eye on the original(it's not like there are a bunch of KB's, it's only 3 others). How could he not notice a hand-off of Naruto's RS? It's not like they did anything to try to confuse Kakuzu of which was the real one(swerving, criss-crossing, etc.).

[Sogoro]

I don't even want to know what would happen if every Bunshin Naruto created had a Fuuton Rasengan...Thats a hellstorm right there and Naruto has the Chakra reserve to pull this off. Imagine him going 4th tail with his concience... Tajuu(sp?) Kage Bunshin and then having them 1000 clones(its 1000 right?) all make a Fuuton Rasengan...

Thats just insane...and would be a Nuclear Bomb...

[Rezard]

Originally Posted by Sinaura

The Naruto clone had an uber mega rasengan, no matter what anyone says the clone had an uber mega rasengan. That's not like a puddle of water or the color of the fur of a rabbit, it was an uber mega rasengan. No matter what anyone says, that Naruto clone was the main threat and therefore the first thing that needed to be taken care of in an experienced shinobi's mind. The trick was by no means the most cunning trick, but the clone was a real threat and Kakuzu knew exactly how dangerous that jutsu was to him. If Kakuzu went after the other Narutos instead he would've gotten hit anyways. So by all means I'd say he did what any other ninja would've done.

There were many things Kazuku could do besides attacking with everything and leaving an opening:

- he could have used bunshins
- he could have used kawarimi
- he could attack one side with tentacles and the other with the masks
- he could attack both sides with masks
- he could have run to the sides and them use area attack
- he could have gone underground
- he could hide and be sneaky
- he could grab the rasengan clone and throw against the others
- for gods sake, he could simply throw a shuriken in naruto´s windy rasengan and see it explode

Kishimoto should have done this fight a little longer.

[neilz]

^
Kishi wasted a lot of space on the Effect of the Wind Rasengan.

IMO, 340 shouldn't be a filler to begin with so we have a full 2 chapter of GOOD fight scene.

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by JINBEI

QFT .................

???, Your opinion will be more appreciated than just using "QFT"…

Originally Posted by cheez-it_god

I know there were 4 others that he had to keep an eye out for, but how did Kakuzu lose track of which was the real Naruto? He sees the real one standing there, then make 3 other kage-bunshins around him, but the real one is still standing in the same spot(unless KB-user has the ability to make a switcheroo between bunshins). I'm sure you'd want to keep an eye on the original(it's not like there are a bunch of KB's, it's only 3 others). How could he not notice a hand-off of Naruto's RS? It's not like they did anything to try to confuse Kakuzu of which was the real one(swerving, criss-crossing, etc.).

I think Kishimoto has made the series like this, that not even if you have your eyes on the original, if the clones are made regardless, somehow the opponent loose sight of the original, So I wont blame either the writer or Kakuuzu because of this.

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by Rezard

There were many things Kazuku could do besides attacking with everything and leaving an opening:

- he could have used bunshins
- he could have used kawarimi
- he could attack one side with tentacles and the other with the masks
- he could attack both sides with masks
- he could have run to the sides and them use area attack
- he could have gone underground
- he could hide and be sneaky
- he could grab the rasengan clone and throw against the others
- for gods sake, he could simply throw a shuriken in naruto´s windy rasengan and see it explode

Kishimoto should have done this fight a little longer.

-Not that I disagree since I too felt a somewhat "empty" feeling when the battle ended but I would like to argue against some of those points.

-For some reason, higher ranking ninja do not use the Bunshin no jutsu, a beginer's technique. Why? I have no answer for that one...
-Same reason as above for the Kawarimi since they opt for their high-ranking immortality.
-Attacking both sides with the masks would have been a good idea but he instead opted for a frontal attack while strenghtening his body's defences.
-Run to what side? He was essentially backed into a corner from all the attacks.
-Underground? Well we know he can place 1 part of his body like that but he's never demonstrated that he could do it for his entire body. Still this is debateable...
-Hide and be sneaky? How? Not with Kakashi's Sharingan to guide Naruto and company.
-Grabbing the clone holding the jutsu would mean bringing a portion of his own body within that jutsu's range, something he tried to avoid. Besides, he did not see the other clones until after it was too late...
-No guarantee that trowing a shuriken into that Fuuton: Rasenshuriken would have done anything. Besides, did you see Kakuzu even carry one of those pouches where they store spare kunai and shuriken?

Originally Posted by Rurik

???, Your opinion will be more appreciated than just using "QFT"…

-What does QFT mean anyway? I don't think I've ever seen a person use that abreviation before...

[billbrown]

QFT means Quoted For Truth, when you're quoting to state that you agree with what was said and you probably couldn't have said it better, just differently. Popular forum abbreviation. QFE is another which stands for Quoted For Emphasis(yes, they're only slightly different lol).

[Master Mold]

Originally Posted by Rurik

???, Your opinion will be more appreciated than just using "QFT"…

Well it means Quoted For Truth, Sinaura said everthing I was about to say. It also means Im in agreement with Sinaura last post in this thread, Sorry if I confused you a bit.

[rman0099]

Well it seems that the weekly spoilers have not been posted yet. Being Mr. Antsy myself, I went looking for them. I'll post summaries of 4 of the five spoilers I found below.

NOTE: I did not translate the original text and am merely quoting the work of Dark Lord who was kind enough to do this on his own and post them.

Spoiler 1

Spoiler:

Looks like the remaining akatsuki members have attacked the hidden village of water (Mizukage), and Kisame kills mizukage.

Deidara and Tobi are Trying to capture a Jinchuuriki - a little boy. Looks like they killed the little boy's older brother to get to him.

Akatsuki leader and woman (along with the rest of them) discuss a new record: killing 130,000 in 5 min. Looks like they killed every living person there.

Back to Kohoha,
Tsunade. Naruto and Shikamaru discuss what just happened in the hidden village of water. They discuss that they may have been dealing with the "weaker" Akatsuki members all this time

the chapter ends with a frame of dead bodies, piled high.

Spoiler 2

Spoiler:

Scene is apparently the same as before. Orochimaru asks if the one Sasuke means by his comment (in the last chapter) is Itachi. Sasuke reacts with a "!". Orochimaru proceeds to say that Sasuke's chances to kill Itachi are still rather small. Sasuke reacts by staring angrily at Orochimaru, to which Orochimaru replies that he shouldn't be so angry. He also says that there's still something Sasuke lacks. Then he smiled wickedly and thinks (apparetly) 'Yes... That...'.

Scene switches to Akatsuki hideout. The leader says they they've encountered some trouble. Kisame asks... Well, I'm not sure if he asks if "they were defeated by Konoha?" or "Should we go after konoha?", sorta (I think it's the first, however). The leader says that things are still fine and procceeds to saying that the question is Orochimaru. He says it'd be troublesome if the Sharingan were to fall into Orochimarus hands, so he tells Kisame & Itachi to take care of Orochimaru. They leave. The leader tells Deidara & Tobi to go on gathering the other bijuus. Should they encounter Naruto however, they are to retreat. Deidara replies something, but I'm not sure what (anyone knows what "ノルマ" means?), but I think he says his part is over/finsished, to which the AL replies that that's why he entrusts this job to them. Deidara apparently protests, but the leader tells them that they're the best for the job. Deidara & Tobi disappear. He tells Zetsu to take care of the fallen, so to speak. Zetsu disappears. He then tells Bluehair to take care of konoha's jinchuuriki and furthermore that the next meeting will be as soon as the current circumstances have been taken care of, if I read it correctly... The leader & the woman disappears. End of chapter...

Spoiler 3

Spoiler:

Apparently the shinobi that Sasuke defeated from before were more than 100. Moans can be heard from them. Orochimaru tells Sasuke that if he can't be heartless, then he can't beat Itachi. Sasuke stands up and says that once he comes face to face with Itachi, he'll show him no mercy. Sasuke shealths his sword, put sit back and stares at Orochimaru. Orochimaru stares at Sasuke and marvels over his skills/genius and thinks that soon, Sasuke's going to be his. The scene sort of zooms out if I got it correctly. The group of shinobi Sasuke defeated is revealed to be more than a thousand!

Scene changes. Naruto, Sai & Sakura eats ramen. Naruto has trouble with eating with his left hand - his right one is heavily bandaged. Sakura says that while his new jutsu is great, it severly damages the body too. Naruto says that it's cool as he'll just heal soon. He then says that he's happy like this and that soon they'll be able to go after Sasuke again, together. Sakura answers yes, and then feeds Naruto, if I get it correctly. Kakashi appears. They're surpised that he isn't in hospital, and he says that he is too. He also adds that he thinks that the reason is that he didn't have to use the Mangekyo Sharingan this time, so this time, he escaped the sick bed. He then tells Naruto that he has done something incredible, that he is now equal to or have surpassed him, but that he should still be wary of the risk of the jutsu Naruto answers "yeah".

Scene changes to Orochimaru's headquarter. Orochimaru lies in bed, coughing. Kabuto says that it's useless to go any further. The body won't be able to take more of the drugs/medicine. He tells Orochimaru to waits a little, then leaves the room. Orochimaru laughs madly. Both his arms, if I read it correctly, are covered in some sort of banages with seals on. A chakra blade apparently flashes through the room, aimed at Orochimaru. Orochimaru stops it by the crossguard. He says "This chakra nature is... But I haven't seen it like this before". He asks who it is. Sasuke enters the room. Orochimaru says "I see.. I thought so". Sasuke says that Orochimaru can no longer teach him anything and that he won't show any mercy before Orochimaru. He activates his Sharingan. there's also something about the end about a seal bandage falling from a face (I think). Perhaps Orochimaru is wearing a headbandage similar to Kimimaro's when he was shown in sickbed? Chapter ends.

Spoiler 4

Spoiler:

Naruto meets up with Iruka and tells him that he has been promoted to Chuunin. Iruka is surprised that now, Naruto has the same rank as him! Then he thinks for himself, well... This is a meaning I'm unsure of, but either, he's thinking that "It's hard to compare the Naruto as of today to the Naruto I knew from the Academy", or he's thinking "I can't imagine you lasting long at the academy, Naruto" (I think it's the first).

Scene changes. Team 8, with Genma as their leader, comes across the shinobi Sasuke cut down. Hinata is horrified, apparently. They note that all of them are still alive (breathing, at least). Genma tells Hinata to seek with the Byakugan for the other shinobi teams out there so they can take the survivors to konoha's hospital. Suddenly, Akamaru barks! Kiba is surprised, saying "!! What!?"

Scene changes to konoha hospital. Kakashi & Yamato is there. Tsunade & Sakura reports that all the cut down shinobi survived, if I got it right. Sakura wonders if it was the work of Akatsuki, but Tsunade says that Genmas report says differently. She says that the report states that akamaru detected Sasuke's smell all over the place! Sakura is surprised while Kakashi & Yamato are like "..."

Scene changes to Naruto lying in bed. An image of Sasuke appears. Naruto thinks "Sasuke... Just you wait.. I'll... for sure..." as he falls asleep.

You can judge for yourself which you think may be accurate. I'm not sure any are, but to me number 3 seems to be more of what some of us expected. For that reason it may be wishful fanfic.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Spoilers no.2 and 3 seem the most plausible IMO

Spoiler:

no.3 goes over the top with Sasuke's skills, but I could see this being added in just to prove how strong Sasuke has gotten

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by JINBEI

Well it means Quoted For Truth, Sinaura said everthing I was about to say. It also means Im in agreement with Sinaura last post in this thread, Sorry if I confused you a bit.

^^; hehehe I do know what QTF means..I just dont like it, because i Like to hear what the poster thinks wihout only giving the kudos to the other poster..but neh...no harms done

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Spoilers no.2 and 3 seem the most plausible IMO

Spoiler:

no.3 goes over the top with Sasuke's skills, but I could see this being added in just to prove how strong Sasuke has gotten

Spoiler:

Number 1 is Just laughable, really Akatsuki Killing of an Entire Village? They wouldn’t be chasing for Bijous of they can do that in 5 Minutes. Not to meniotn I don’t see no reason for Akatsuki to change theyr current 2 man cell tactic.

Number 2 is the most plausible, but even It doesn’t seem believable given that the Leader tells them to avoid Naruto, reaching goals requires sacrifices and effort, avoiding one of theyr goals doesn’t seems to be the mindset of someone as the leader of Akatsuki.

Number 3 shows that Sasuke defeated a 1000!, and that Oro is going trough the same trouble he went when he got his arm sealed. dont buy that.

Number 4 is still down to earth, and it would be good turns of event for Naruto been awarded with Chunin, but I kind of think Naruto really doesn’t need Rank. also I don’t buy a Shinoby to be horrified by a group of death people lying around.

[chuckcsf]

Originally Posted by rman0099

Spoiler 3

Spoiler:

Scene changes to Orochimaru's headquarter. Orochimaru lies in bed, coughing. Kabuto says that it's useless to go any further. The body won't be able to take more of the drugs/medicine. He tells Orochimaru to waits a little, then leaves the room. Orochimaru laughs madly. Both his arms, if I read it correctly, are covered in some sort of banages with seals on. A chakra blade apparently flashes through the room, aimed at Orochimaru. Orochimaru stops it by the crossguard. He says "This chakra nature is... But I haven't seen it like this before". He asks who it is. Sasuke enters the room. Orochimaru says "I see.. I thought so". Sasuke says that Orochimaru can no longer teach him anything and that he won't show any mercy before Orochimaru. He activates his Sharingan. there's also something about the end about a seal bandage falling from a face (I think). Perhaps Orochimaru is wearing a headbandage similar to Kimimaro's when he was shown in sickbed? Chapter ends.

You can judge for yourself which you think may be accurate. I'm not sure any are, but to me number 3 seems to be more of what some of us expected. For that reason it may be wishful fanfic.

Spoiler for Spoiler 3:

So if Sauske kills Orochimaru, will the curse go away??? They haven't really shown Sauske using the cursed seal for awhile now right? And if Orochimaru can no longer teach Sauske, will he go back to Konoha or train on his own?

[Xellos-_^]

I see #4 as the most probable as that has least amount stuff in it just like most other Naruto chapter.

1 and 2 seem way to out of character for the Akatuski

And #3 is too fan fictish.
- Sakura feeding Naurto
- Sasuke attacking Oro.

[Sinaura]

Spoiler:

I like spoiler 2, even if it does seem out of character for Akatsuki. As for the spoiler with Sasuke trying to kill Orochimaru, I doubt it, but Sasuke might not actually be able to kill Orochimaru and just flee. I always imagined Jirayi to be the one to kill Orochimaru.

[S_C_L-1]

Originally Posted by Sinaura

Spoiler:

I like spoiler 2, even if it does seem out of character for Akatsuki. As for the spoiler with Sasuke trying to kill Orochimaru, I doubt it, but Sasuke might not actually be able to kill Orochimaru and just flee. I always imagined Jirayi to be the one to kill Orochimaru.

If anything, Orochimaru would kill Jiraya.

I dont remember where the reference comes from (some old japanese folk tale?), but frog, snail and snake are sorta like rock paper scissors (Snake>Frog>Snail>Snake).

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by S_C_L-1

If anything, Orochimaru would kill Jiraya.

I dont remember where the reference comes from (some old japanese folk tale?), but frog, snail and snake are sorta like rock paper scissors (Snake>Frog>Snail>Snake).

The chinese version has the snake eating the frog but the frog chokes the snake so both dies.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Rurik

Spoiler:

Number 1 is Just laughable, really Akatsuki Killing of an Entire Village? They wouldn’t be chasing for Bijous of they can do that in 5 Minutes. Not to meniotn I don’t see no reason for Akatsuki to change theyr current 2 man cell tactic.

Number 2 is the most plausible, but even It doesn’t seem believable given that the Leader tells them to avoid Naruto, reaching goals requires sacrifices and effort, avoiding one of theyr goals doesn’t seems to be the mindset of someone as the leader of Akatsuki.

Number 3 shows that Sasuke defeated a 1000!, and that Oro is going trough the same trouble he went when he got his arm sealed. dont buy that.

Number 4 is still down to earth, and it would be good turns of event for Naruto been awarded with Chunin, but I kind of think Naruto really doesn’t need Rank. also I don’t buy a Shinoby to be horrified by a group of death people lying around.

Spoiler:

Yeah I agree about spoiler #3. At first I thought maybe you could just write it off as an exaggeration, but Sasuke defeating 1000 ninja single handedly would be a bit too ridiculous to sell.

There's a good possibility that none of these spoilers is correct. Five or six more additional spoilers have been released. Seems there's a lot of active imaginations this week.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

I'd say all of them are fake...but i kinda like spoiler 4 & spoiler 1.
The rest shouldnt be even considred true...

[DeDe]

Spoiler number 1 was written by a noted prankster, so it's clearly false. There are now 11 spoilers floating out there.

Spoiler number 2 is the only one I like right now.