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Kleeyook · 2012-09-18, 10:57

^^ Man, that was quite annoying. It's like the series is getting localized in Chinese. ^^

whsie · 2012-09-18, 11:12

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Originally Posted by Kleeyook

^^ Man, that was quite annoying. It's like the series is getting localized in Chinese. ^^

Generally speaking, there's less localization needed from Japanese to Chinese than Japanese to any other language. The sentence structure and idioms are similar enough. The differences lie in the diction and honorifics. The honorifics can easily be handled. The part people have to be careful when translating from Japanese to Chinese is the diction. While some Japanese characters are written in the exact same manner, they're used differently.

For example, 有料,无料 means service charge and free respectively in Japanese. In Chinese, it means if you have the materials (for making food or whatever) or not. In Chinese, you're more likely to see 收费, 免费. Same characters, didn't ways of usage.

Syokool · 2012-09-18, 11:44

Is that so?

Then, how do you do when watch anime? I can't imagine their names with different pronunciation

I was learning some words in Chinese, and some of them have the same meaning as the Japanese counterpart, but I did quit after a while since it's much more easier to read Japanese to me.

Kleeyook · 2012-09-18, 12:24

I don't want to offend anyone here but I find Chinese names to not have the same impact as Japanese names when written in Latin alphabet. I find it kind of weird.

whsie · 2012-09-18, 12:41

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Originally Posted by Syokool

Is that so?

Then, how do you do when watch anime? I can't imagine their names with different pronunciation

I was learning some words in Chinese, and some of them have the same meaning as the Japanese counterpart, but I did quit after a while since it's much more easier to read Japanese to me.

Actually, more than half of the Chinese characters have the same meaning as their Japanese counterpart. For Chinese readers trying to read Japanese, it's about isolating which characters are the exception.

And I'm not 100% sure about Japanese, but from what someone told me, Japanese in its written form is essentially a hybrid of a character and syllabic language. For the average Joe, I prefer to think of Chinese as a pure character language and English as a pure syllabic language. In Chinese, the character represents a certain meaning and has no direct relation to how it's pronounced in real life. How a character is pronounced is represented in its zhuyin or pinyin (the Chinese "alphabet" so to speak) forms. Whereas in English how we speak is directly related to how we write, which would be similar to writing Chinese in its zhuyin or pinyin form.

Japanese from what I know mixes the two with kanji as its character base and then the katakana and hiragana as its syllabic base. So when one is writing or reading Japanese, one is constantly switching from a character to syllabic form and vice versa.

For Japanese to Chinese translators, the key would to know A) the differences in the usage of the kanji. Most of it is the same, but there are exceptions. B) understand the syllabic base of Japanese and what idea is represented by it. More often than not, it's the second part that frustrates native Chinese speakers. Kanji, which is considered the difficult part of learning Japanese in Japan, is considered the easier part.

Yeah, when I watch anime, I just go by the subtitles. I may recognize certain phrases (e.g. arigato goizamsu, sayonora, konbawa, etc) but I have trouble linking them together. Those don't in any way sound close to their Chinese counterparts.

As a few more examples, Takeda Shingen is Wu Tian Xing Xuan, Oba Nobunaga is Zhi Tian Xing Chang, Toyotomi Hideyoshi is Feng Cheng Xiu Ji, Tokugawa Ieyasu is De Chuan Jia Kang. That's how we read the various Japanese figures in Chinese.

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I don't want to offend anyone here but I find Chinese names to not have the same impact as Japanese names when written in Latin alphabet. I find it kind of weird.

I think my second paragraph should explain why. Chinese names don't care about their phonetic sound, but rather the meaning behind those characters.

Syokool · 2012-09-18, 13:09

One thing that makes difficult to translate some parts from Japanese is indeed the fact that there are words with the same pronunciation, but different writing, so when there is a word written in hiragana or katakana (and it isn't a foreign word adapted to Japanese pronunciation) you have to think in the meaning if it isn't an obvious word, or a name.

One example could be some dialogs when one person says something, and the other understands one thing based in the usual meaning of that word, which leads to a lot of puns and comedy shows

Sometimes, the meaning of one kanji can be so much helpful when there are new words (as in this series) so we only need to separate the word or just go by the meaning of each one and form the English word, which is difficult in a sense.

In Spanish things are just great, pronunciation is quit rich, so there are no problem with adapting names, it is somehow contextual, and the several grammatical rules makes easy to portray the nuance and the word play.
That's why I switched from Jap-Eng to Jap-Spa.

Which makes easier to read and tl is the most of books you read. For LN, manga, and others you will have to learn more vocabulary and some slangs that you won't see in a Japanesse class btw.

Flere821 · 2012-09-19, 01:27

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Originally Posted by Syokool

Are different the characters' names in Chinese?

Even in Japanese I forgot who is who. At least I recall the important ones, but sometimes I had to re-read to remember a specific character. It happened to me with Oda Nobuna. (i.e., Mutsuhide, Katsuie, Nagahide, etc.).
I guess it's a matter of time.

Also, manga and illustrations help so much with this

For me, it's mostly a text matter - for example, it took me a while to match '深雪' with Miyuki, as I had not bothered to find out what it might have be spelled in a different language

Syokool · 2012-09-20, 13:38

I can't!

At least that helps me when watching anime.

---

Regarding the dorama DVD, you already can make a reservation here: dengekiya

And here's the announcement in vol.7:

3,500円 if you are interested.

Btw, I will make the first picture my new avatar

blackwhite67 · 2012-09-20, 19:06

God I hope someone subs the drama cd

Seitsuki · 2012-09-20, 19:14

Hayami Saori huh?

This should be interesting. Show me a voice worthy of Her Highness!

surerman · 2012-09-21, 05:35

just read chapter 10, when they enter the vehicle to go to battlefield, I play "In da Club" of 50cent.......now that's perfect!

hope it's appear in the anime too

Mentar · 2012-09-21, 06:51

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Originally Posted by Seitsuki

Hayami Saori huh?

This should be interesting. Show me a voice worthy of Her Highness!

I already hear her Ayase from OreImo

... who also knows all too well to switch between Angel and Demon!

BTW: Any idea when you'll be able to tackle Yuutousei 4? *hint hint*

Syokool · 2012-09-21, 07:30

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Originally Posted by Seitsuki

Hayami Saori huh?

This should be interesting. Show me a voice worthy of Her Highness!

I thought you have a thing with 'Older sisters' or so

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Originally Posted by Mentar

I already hear her Ayase from OreImo

... who also knows all too well to switch between Angel and Demon!

BTW: Any idea when you'll be able to tackle Yuutousei 4? *hint hint*

His part is done, my part also, but I'm waiting for Rettousei to comes up first, then one week after that I'll release the chapter (tough I haven't sent the chapter for revision yet

).

Since this moth there is no Yuutousei, we already have caught up with the magazine.

That also gives me time to prepare the batch of files with those chapters deleted in the previous mirrors.

Mentar · 2012-09-21, 09:06

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Originally Posted by Syokool

His part is done, my part also, but I'm waiting for Rettousei to come up first, then one week after that I'll release the chapter (tough I haven't sent the chapter for revision yet

).

Excuses! Rrrr! *eyes the cattle prod in his hand uncertainly*

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Since this moth there is no Yuutousei, we already have caught up with the magazine.

Nope, you won't have. Yuutousei 5 comes out in less than a week.

Renegade334 · 2012-09-21, 09:15

Another version of the announcement (click to open) - not sure whether the left side has something new:

And, yeah, you know where to get the rest of the volume...

EDIT: okay, ImageShack fail...lemme reup that.
EDIT: fixed.

Syokool · 2012-09-21, 09:16

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Originally Posted by Mentar

Nope, you won't have. Yuutousei 5 comes out in less than a week.

Shhh! I wanted it to be a 'surprise' for Seitsuki

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Originally Posted by Renegade334

Another version of the announcement (click to open) - not sure whether the left side has something new:

And, yeah, you know where to get the rest of the volume...

EDIT: okay, ImageShack fail...lemme reup that.
EDIT: fixed.

Basically the same. Also, Dengeki Bunko will have a special event (see their web page).

Seitsuki · 2012-09-21, 14:05

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Originally Posted by Syokool

I thought you have a thing with 'Older sisters' or so

I do! Onee sans are just wonderful.. those cool serene eyes.. that calm mature air.. there's no way imoutos could normally compare, but Miyuki transcends imouto-hood into something much greater, and.. er.. eh. All hail.

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Shhh! I wanted it to be a 'surprise' for Seitsuki

*k chack*

blackwhite67 · 2012-09-21, 14:59

It happened again. Another cameo appearance in the last episode of Accel World 21:45.

Syokool · 2012-09-21, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Seitsuki

I do! Onee sans are just wonderful.. those cool serene eyes.. that calm mature air.. there's no way imoutos could normally compare, but Miyuki transcends imouto-hood into something much greater, and.. er.. eh. All hail.

Mmm, yeah. I'm a perv, so anything is fine with me, if it's only related to females of course.

Btw, three of my friends don't like Miyuki. I'm a bit disappointed with them

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It happened again. Another cameo appearance in the last episode of Accel World 21:45.

An image plz!!!

blackwhite67 · 2012-09-21, 15:17

You can find vol 7 on Jcafe. So that's Fujibayashi. Hmm. I always imagined her with short hair. Man, Tatusya's helmet looks sweet! Who's the monkey in the armor?

I don't know how to take screenshots of videos, but I know someone on this thread posted every cameo appearance. The one I'm talking about is the same as the very first cameo appearance only at dusk when the sun is setting.

2012-09-20, 19:14	Link #1190
Seitsuki Onee! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ	Hayami Saori huh? This should be interesting. Show me a voice worthy of Her Highness! __________________ thanks to Patchy ♥

2012-09-21, 09:15	Link #1195
Renegade334 Sleepy Lurker Graphic Designer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nun'yabiznehz Age: 38	Another version of the announcement (click to open) - not sure whether the left side has something new: And, yeah, you know where to get the rest of the volume... EDIT: okay, ImageShack fail...lemme reup that. EDIT: fixed. __________________ << -- Click to enter my (dead) GFX thread.

2012-09-18, 10:57	Link #1181
Kleeyook Yandere maniax Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Somewhere close to Valhalla Age: 34	^^ Man, that was quite annoying. It's like the series is getting localized in Chinese. ^^

2012-09-18, 11:44	Link #1183
Syokool Lab. member 009 Scanlator Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: 1.048596 Age: 35	Is that so? Then, how do you do when watch anime? I can't imagine their names with different pronunciation I was learning some words in Chinese, and some of them have the same meaning as the Japanese counterpart, but I did quit after a while since it's much more easier to read Japanese to me.

2012-09-18, 12:24	Link #1184
Kleeyook Yandere maniax Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Somewhere close to Valhalla Age: 34	I don't want to offend anyone here but I find Chinese names to not have the same impact as Japanese names when written in Latin alphabet. I find it kind of weird.

2012-09-18, 13:09	Link #1186
Syokool Lab. member 009 Scanlator Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: 1.048596 Age: 35	One thing that makes difficult to translate some parts from Japanese is indeed the fact that there are words with the same pronunciation, but different writing, so when there is a word written in hiragana or katakana (and it isn't a foreign word adapted to Japanese pronunciation) you have to think in the meaning if it isn't an obvious word, or a name. One example could be some dialogs when one person says something, and the other understands one thing based in the usual meaning of that word, which leads to a lot of puns and comedy shows Sometimes, the meaning of one kanji can be so much helpful when there are new words (as in this series) so we only need to separate the word or just go by the meaning of each one and form the English word, which is difficult in a sense. In Spanish things are just great, pronunciation is quit rich, so there are no problem with adapting names, it is somehow contextual, and the several grammatical rules makes easy to portray the nuance and the word play. That's why I switched from Jap-Eng to Jap-Spa. Which makes easier to read and tl is the most of books you read. For LN, manga, and others you will have to learn more vocabulary and some slangs that you won't see in a Japanesse class btw.

2012-09-20, 13:38	Link #1188
Syokool Lab. member 009 Scanlator Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: 1.048596 Age: 35	I can't! At least that helps me when watching anime. --- Regarding the dorama DVD, you already can make a reservation here: dengekiya And here's the announcement in vol.7: 3,500円 if you are interested. Btw, I will make the first picture my new avatar

2012-09-20, 19:06	Link #1189
blackwhite67 Banned Join Date: May 2012	God I hope someone subs the drama cd

2012-09-21, 05:35	Link #1191
surerman Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Killers Special Mobile Prison	just read chapter 10, when they enter the vehicle to go to battlefield, I play "In da Club" of 50cent.......now that's perfect! hope it's appear in the anime too

2012-09-21, 14:59	Link #1198
blackwhite67 Banned Join Date: May 2012	It happened again. Another cameo appearance in the last episode of Accel World 21:45.

2012-09-21, 15:17	Link #1200
blackwhite67 Banned Join Date: May 2012	You can find vol 7 on Jcafe. So that's Fujibayashi. Hmm. I always imagined her with short hair. Man, Tatusya's helmet looks sweet! Who's the monkey in the armor? I don't know how to take screenshots of videos, but I know someone on this thread posted every cameo appearance. The one I'm talking about is the same as the very first cameo appearance only at dusk when the sun is setting.