(L+CR) Harukana Receive

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Kanon

So Kanata really went with that strategy, but she had no intention of handing a set over to them. I'm confused though, near the end of the match, Kanata said that the one who scored next would win, but they were only in the second set and HaruKana had won the first one, so that didn't make sense. It was match point for Harukana alone. Awkward translation or is there something I'm not understanding?

Really disappointed we didn't see their second match. I would have liked to see why they lost, and how well or badly they did. In any case, they make a good team. They fully trust each other.

I guess Claire calling her mother means she's going to pay them a visit and coach the club for a little while. Haruka will find out what a real coach is like.

I think she was talking about who would win that one game.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Kanon

So Kanata really went with that strategy, but she had no intention of handing a set over to them. I'm confused though, near the end of the match, Kanata said that the one who scored next would win, but they were only in the second set and HaruKana had won the first one, so that didn't make sense. It was match point for Harukana alone. Awkward translation or is there something I'm not understanding?

Have you got a timestamp? I only recall her thinking that it was match point, which it was: a single point by their team would win. That's what match point means. In volleyball it is literally impossible for both teams to have match point at the same time: one team needs to be two points ahead of the other, no matter what the score is, in order to win.

[Xeiros]

It was mistranslation. That's it.

Remember how I mentioned that opening scene of the first episode where we see Harukana playing against Narumi and Ayasa in the Valkyrie Cup tournament was where the anime was going to end with the conclusion of said final match? I still stand by that.

Now while it's true this episode finished off Volume 2 with chapter 13 and the Valkyrie Cup starts in Volume 4, the anime already blew through a good chunk of both chapters 17 and 18 which are late into volume 3.

Do you remember the flashback game of Narumi and Kanata vs Eclaire? Well in the manga, chapter 18 actually shows that match albeit in an abbreviated form. The anime instead jumped straight to its conclusion.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Well, we now have confirmation: her pokeys are large and cover a big range. The size of the arc makes it easy to "read", but it also creates a much larger area and demands a lot more work to defend. Ai-Mai were over-focused on defense and as a result, while they were able to rack up a bunch of points, they had to work hard for them compared to Haru-Kana. Additionally, allowing them to get close to victory gave Haruka plenty of time to get the hang of things. As I said before, I wouldn't really call this "using them for training", but rather stalling until they were able to put up a better fight. Difference is pretty simple: Kanata wasn't stalling so that their victory would give Haruka more experience, but rather so that the experience gained through the match would allow Haruka to finish it.

I kinda want to call bullshit over the whole premise that receiving shots that are easy to read are somehow a more tiring way to get points than receiving shots that aren't.

[ScrewySquirrel]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I kinda want to call bullshit over the whole premise that receiving shots that are easy to read are somehow a more tiring way to get points than receiving shots that aren't.

The pokey is as *controlled* lob. Its easy to read that it will be ---> over there, so you have to run to it which over time is more tiring than a single desperate leap at a spike.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I kinda want to call bullshit over the whole premise that receiving shots that are easy to read are somehow a more tiring way to get points than receiving shots that aren't.

Just because you can tell exactly where something's going to land in about two seconds doesn't mean you can easily get close enough to make a proper, controlled interception. Similar in principle to the way tennis players will try to aim their shots to the far side of the court from where their opponent is, making use of the size of the court is quite valuable. The little one was taking most of the shots and if I understand things right she was covering a larger area given her position and her mentality as the libero. Kanata was forcing her to run all over the place, which I'm sure is harder to do on soft sand that doesn't give as much traction. Didn't help that they apparently are somewhat new to beach volleyball and thus didn't take all that much fatigue to start slipping. From what Claire was saying, it sounds like the readability of the move was part of the problem: they could tell where it was going and had no choice but to run for it. Every hit was a mad dash to get in place in time. With spikes, it comes so hard and fast that if you're not right there ahead of time it's useless to jump for it, and even if you do go for it it's a quick dive in a narrow location, not a mad turn and run across the court.

[Anh_Minh]

Mai only had half the court to defend, since Ai didn't bother to block anymore. That alone reduced her defense area.

And my point is that if you want to win, you've got to score points. Failing to react to a spike may be less tiring, but it'll just make you lose.

(And it doesn't help that most of the receives we saw were quite leisurely.)

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Mai only had half the court to defend, since Ai didn't bother to block anymore. That alone reduced her defense area.

And my point is that if you want to win, you've got to score points. Failing to react to a spike may be less tiring, but it'll just make you lose.

(And it doesn't help that most of the receives we saw were quite leisurely.)

Actually she had more than half. Do you not remember the diagram shown before? Mai was the rear so she had a significantly larger portion of the court to cover. Not to mention even half is a significant area when you're having to dash in the space of a second or two. Yes failing to block a spike is going to lose you points, but if you're not in place to do so there's no helping it. Spikes will cover a narrower area, which means a lot less requirement of mobility compared to a pokey. You have to be more prepared to react instantly, but you're not going to move near as far whether you get it or not.

Also what do you mean most receives were leisurely? She had to watch and run each time, and before long she was having to dive for them. It certainly didn't look "leisurely" to me.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Actually she had more than half. Do you not remember the diagram shown before?

Yes, but that diagram showed the defense areas when one player is blocking. When that happens, the other player is responsible for what can't be blocked, and yes, that's more than half the court. When both players are receiving, they pretty much each get half a court.

Mai was the rear so she had a significantly larger portion of the court to cover. Not to mention even half is a significant area when you're having to dash in the space of a second or two. Yes failing to block a spike is going to lose you points, but if you're not in place to do so there's no helping it. Spikes will cover a narrower area, which means a lot less requirement of mobility compared to a pokey. You have to be more prepared to react instantly, but you're not going to move near as far whether you get it or not.

Yes, but the question is, how are you going to score 21 points in a set? If you don't have the stamina for at least 21 receives, then unless your serves are incredibly good and you score 21 services aces, you can't win.

Also what do you mean most receives were leisurely? She had to watch and run each time, and before long she was having to dive for them. It certainly didn't look "leisurely" to me.

Toward the end when she was supposed to be tired, yes. But before that, the pokes landed pretty close to her. She didn't need to dive. Did we even see her move?

[BWTraveller]

Actually, she was shown throughout running around a good bit. Sometimes they only showed the receive itself, but they didn't all land close to her. She didn't have to dive at first, but she still had to move a good bit.

And as was stated in the show, the team had their own problems. They were over-focused on defense, especially Mai. Even when they were "both blocking", they were positioned differently, which again forced Mai to cover a larger area. I'm sure there would normally be better defenses against the pokey, but these girls were just blindly taking it all and ignoring their own stamina.

Basically, yes the strategy would be BS with a more-skilled team who were properly accustomed to playing beach volleyball and the twists that made and who had built up the kind of strength and stamina required, who were more familiar with how to handle the sand, the sun, the wind, etc. But Kanata is portrayed as having picked up on their weaknesses, the things they were lacking, and this strategy exploited them. And the fact that their strategy and even their current level in general would be total BS against an opponent with real experience and skill. That's why they went home with towels after losing their second match.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

And as was stated in the show, the team had their own problems. They were over-focused on defense, especially Mai.

And that's another thing I'd like to have explained. What does that even mean in Beach Volley? I mean, when the ball's headed your way, you have no choice but to send it back, unless you want to lose a point. They spiked, and it worked (at least before that stamina BS hit). What else were they supposed to be doing?

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

And that's another thing I'd like to have explained. What does that even mean in Beach Volley? I mean, when the ball's headed your way, you have no choice but to send it back, unless you want to lose a point. They spiked, and it worked (at least before that stamina BS hit). What else were they supposed to be doing?

I'll admit that's one thing I don't know, as I'm not particularly familiar with it myself. I was able to find that "libero" is a plain volleyball term (don't know if it's used in beach volleyball) for a player who's there specifically for defense, with some unusual freedoms and restrictions placed on them accordingly.

[Infinite Zenith]

A little surprised at how discussions here have been steered into the nitty-gritty of beach volleyball tactics. My curiosity is piqued: who here plays or watches beach volleyball with enough frequency to know the techniques enough to apply it to Harukana Receive?

[Liddo-kun]

Watched episode 6:

Ok, that's a good finish to their first tourney. Losing their second match is realistic for a team with one beginner.. I'm actually glad they did not win more than the first match. Also nice that their opponents decide to keep playing beach volley.

Now, I'm curious on who is the new girl asking about the volleyball club?

[Infinite Zenith]

Originally Posted by Liddo-kun

Ok, that's a good finish to their first tourney. Losing their second match is realistic for a team with one beginner.. I'm actually glad they did not win more than the first match. Also nice that their opponents decide to keep playing beach volley.

Now, I'm curious on who is the new girl asking about the volleyball club?

That the episode deliberately chose to skip over the match that Haruka and Kanata lost is an indicator that the mentality of wanting to play beach volleyball, and improve at it, matters more than the technical aspects that have been the subject of no small discussion here (otherwise, we would have necessarily seen both Harukana get bested and a blow-by-blow of why they lost). The new girl is Akari, she's apparently a first-year student with prior experience in beach volleyball, and I'm guessing she'll play a bigger role in upcoming episodes.

[EroKing]

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Kanata still the best

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MILF Thomas appearing at the end of the show, better be some nice shots of her next week

[videoman190]

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[Stark700]

I can't imagine some of these girls as idols lol, especially Narumi.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by videoman190

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[Kanon]

That was the weakest episode so far. I don't care much about Akari at the moment to be honest.

Highlight of the episode was Haruka punishing Kanata for talking about her "ex". Kanata's reaction was so cute. And pretty much all the Claire moments.