Captain America: Civil War

[Kyero Fox]

Apparently the act comes first, cap disagrees, buckey is in some shit, cap tries to help

bucky is not the first act of the movie apparently. according to reviews.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

Basically this

It's either do it on your own terms now, or be FORCED to later and likely more brutally . Whats the Avengers gonna do...take on the UN? Thor isn't going to help stop the UN. All of Tony's tech can't go up a world army.

But of course, once again, Tony is wrong. Because if that's his argument, that he can't win so it is better to join them, then he has no business being a superhero.

Because what happens next time when Thanos show up with his godly powers and infinity stones? Is Tony going to say "we are going to lose to him anyway, so might as well surrender and be his servants" too?

If you don't want something, then fight it. If you are not willing to fight for it, then turn over your superhero badge and go back to being a civilian. Steve Rogers faced Loki in hand to hand combat, even though he couldn't win. If he needed to he would face the entire 3rd Reich by himself alone. So when faced with the Act, he oppose it. Because he doesn't fight to win, he fight because he needed to fight.


Ironman can't fight the UN? Ironman can't fight the world's army? Then what chance does Earth have against the galactic threats of the Marvel universe? Someone has to fight the battles that needed fighting, and it seems Tony Stark surrendered.

I guess what it boils down to, is that I would not want the MCU Tony Stark be responsible for the defence of Planet Earth. Because he is just as likely to betray humanity if he thinks defeat is likely.

[Kyero Fox]

But that's not his point that's just what I thought he meant when he said "it's going to happen sooner or later so why not do it on our terms"

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

The reviews have been crazy good for this movie. Many said this is the best Marvel film yet, a near-perfect popcorn movie, and it legitimizes the premise where (many) superheroes fight each other (with its deft and fun execution) after BvS crashed it.

This might be the "superhero vs superhero"-movie that we need and deserve. Well, at least I know I'll use my money (which I've planned for BvS before I decided to withheld/called it off) to watch Civil War when it plays in theaters.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

But that's not his point that's just what I thought he meant when he said "it's going to happen sooner or later so why not do it on our terms"

His point is that there is no point fighting because he can't win. But if that is true then Tony Stark might as well have stayed in his cave building Jericho missiles for the Ten Rings.

[FlareKnight]

Without seeing the movie who knows, but I don't think Tony would just go with the UN on this based on a "well we can't win this anyways" point of view. Seems much more reasonable and likely this is just based on his experiences to this point. That there is a threat that the Avengers and other super powered people pose to the world and having some control over their actions isn't the worst idea. That he doesn't want to create a threat that will destroy everyone he cares about and feels that the world having some control over them will keep that from happening.

[monster]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Without seeing the movie who knows, but I don't think Tony would just go with the UN on this based on a "well we can't win this anyways" point of view. Seems much more reasonable and likely this is just based on his experiences to this point. That there is a threat that the Avengers and other super powered people pose to the world and having some control over their actions isn't the worst idea. That he doesn't want to create a threat that will destroy everyone he cares about and feels that the world having some control over them will keep that from happening.

You're probably right. The problem is that the trailer ends with that line, which is supposed to mean something. In other words, whatever other reason Iron Man may have for accepting it, in the end, he simply falls back on its inevitability either because he really thinks that's the best reason or because he's given up trying to convince Captain America and that's his last attempt.

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Without seeing the movie who knows, but I don't think Tony would just go with the UN on this based on a "well we can't win this anyways" point of view. Seems much more reasonable and likely this is just based on his experiences to this point. That there is a threat that the Avengers and other super powered people pose to the world and having some control over their actions isn't the worst idea. That he doesn't want to create a threat that will destroy everyone he cares about and feels that the world having some control over them will keep that from happening.

Previously, Tony designed Ultron as a countermeasure against future super-power threats, be it from earth or extra-terrestrial, in case there's no reliable group for countermeasure like Avengers in the future. Its understandable if he express agreement to the Accords by reason it would reduce his worries about potential threats coming from earth.

Not to mention with Tony express agreement from start, he may become influential figure regarding future development of the Accord.
So there's also possibility that his decision come from the thought of "Its better now when we still have influence and may negotiate things than later".

[MrTerrorist]

Time to step up your game Cap.

[Ruki0089]

Just finish watching.... Damn... This movie is awesome!!!!
Tom holand as Peter truly good one....

[HasuMasu]

I wanted this to be great, but it was only okay. All the promotiomal material got me so excited.

It was nice to see Spiderman, but I feel like he was misused. It's almost like he was reduced to a joke compared to his role in the comics.

I still liked the movie, but my biggest complaint is that the villain is a lame nobody. It should have been Red Skull or just focus on the conflict between sides.

All in all, it's a fun movie, but I liked Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice better. I'm looking forward to the possibility of X Men Apocalypse being better than both. We'll see in a month.

[Azuma Denton]

Finished watching the movie.
Not as good as Winter Soldier but definitely better than Ultron.


The love triangle between Caps, Stark, and Bucky are intense...

[B214]

Are there any post credits scenes?

[HasuMasu]

Yes, there are two: one for the mid credits and one for the after credits.

[B214]

Originally Posted by HasuMasu

Yes, there are two: one for the mid credits and one for the after credits.

Alright, thanks.

[larethian]

Spoiler:

Spiderman reboot better be the last one. I can't stand watching some altered versions of Peter's background again and again. Hot Aunt May sewiously?

That said. The movie was enjoyable mostly. Snarky humour and Stan Lee as usual. The fights were pretty great to watch except some of the choreography was rather exaggerated in a funny way. Antman was the best And I think I could love that spidey actor. Was like a perfect fit for the role.

[Ruki0089]

Spiderman can't stop talking nonsense which actually very good
I like Tom holand... By the way, I find it's funny when spiderman said "you have metal? That's awesome dude!" Or "oh shit" when he saw antman become giantman

[larethian]

His snarky humour is like his trademark.

[Ruki0089]

That's why it's good...

[MeoTwister5]

That was... surprisingly great. I came in living down the hype of superhero films of the last few years given how disappointed I was with BvS, but the movie surpassed my expectations overall.

Thing is the most impressive thing about the movie wasn't the Avengers saving the world, but the Avengers saving themselves in the middle of one man's quest for revenge. Your growing animosity between each member was so thick and palpable, with both sides making very logical and passionate arguments for their decisions, that you can't help but root for all of them. The differences in the way they fought was really evident between those who really didn't want to do what they were doing, and those who were outright trying to kill each other. And just when you thought we were going to have one happy ending with the Avengers as one big happy family again...

Spoiler for Final twist spoilers:

All it took in the end was one few-seconds video to tip Tony over. I really should have seen the climactic twist a mile away. Bucky killing the passengers of a car and stealing some serum. Tony talking about how his parents died in a car accident. It should have been obvious it was Bucky who killed them.

When Zemo showed Tony the video, you knew Zemo had won. You knew the Avengers as we knew them were finished. The final fight between Steve, Bucky and Tony was impressive for the pathos in generated from. This is precisely one of the places where BvS failed; unlike in BvS, you could feel the emotion within every punch and every kick.

All in all the movie shows why the Captain America movies are my favorite in the MCU. Almost as good as Winter Soldier. DC seriously needs to get their shit together if they want to compete.

And speaking of getting their shit together, well, the Avengers need to get theirs too. The Infinity War is looming over the horizon, and Thanos isn't going to wait for them to get things together in therapy. The entire squad's been presented now. I guess all we need to know now if whether Doctor Strange is part of this continuity or not.