2010-08-21, 20:36 | Link #63 | |
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As I wrote a few pages back, hormones, which many people overlook, are the real key to weight gain (whether it be fat or muscle). Different foods trigger different hormonal responses in different individuals. |
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2010-08-21, 21:00 | Link #64 |
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In which case, it would be beneficial for people to find out what foods trigger which hormonal responses in their body. In a situation like your weight and health, making excuses like "Oh, it's my hormones" isn't going to do you any favours.
True, it's much easier for some people than others, but that's life - tough shit. Unless you have an actual problem like an under-active thyroid, which is much less common than there are obese people, you have no excuse other than laziness. If you want to lose weight, always try and look at the bad stuff you yourself are doing rather than things you can't control. More often than not "Oh I'm fat because it's in my genes" is not only bullshit, but a total cop-out of actually trying. /lol off-topic - and wow, that came off as much more antagonistic than I intended. Oh well. |
2010-08-21, 21:51 | Link #65 | |
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I think the judge told him off by saying "they didn't make you fat, you did"
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2010-08-21, 22:45 | Link #66 | |
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2010-08-22, 04:27 | Link #67 | |
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if you dont wanna get fat LAY OFF THE FATTY FOODS christ sake i used to be fat by over eating sweet food but after moving out of the city into a more of a rural area i got nothing to eat but fruits and veggies and now im in the city i lost my appetite on sweet foods |
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2010-08-22, 06:32 | Link #68 | |
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2010-08-22, 10:28 | Link #69 | |||
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Spoiler for About low-fat diets, the FDA, and grain intake:
Here's some snippets regarding paleolithic nutrition: Quote:
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2010-08-22, 12:24 | Link #70 | |
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all i see is people trying to force their fact upon people as for me i eat what my guts tells me to eat if it wants meat then eat meat if it wants carbs eat CARBs if it want veggies eat veggies if it wants fatty sugary food eat fatty sugary foods by doing that i have kep my weight in an astounding 180 lbs for 6 yrs straight |
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2010-08-22, 15:12 | Link #74 | |
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2010-08-23, 06:57 | Link #76 |
is this so?
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Will always choose home cooking over fast food.
I have a goal of building up muscles in my abs (currently enrolled at Slimmer's World), and eating at fast-food will probably ruin that. Have some boneless fish stocked up at the freezer, I cook some every morning for breakfast and pack some with rice for eating at office lunchtime. Also have some canned mushrooms at my cupboard, along with some cans of young corn which I can cook and serve with rice for a fast meal, on days when the time to prepare a meal is short. If I absolutely have no time to cook a meal at home (yes, it still happens), then I will eat canned tuna instead of ordering at fastfood.
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2010-08-23, 07:45 | Link #77 | ||
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I haven't delved into research material, so I was only referring to public perception and policies in those countries. In Switzerland, as in other European countries, the emphasize is mostly on promoting fiber intake, and culling hidden sugars. Via cafeteria labels (guaranteeing the availability of the approved proportion of meat, carbs and vegetables in proposed dishes), PR campaigns (5 fruits and vegetables a day) or regulations (calls for forbidding sale of junk food in schools). Of course, this is within a broader health promotion context. Also, sugar here is sugar beet. In the Philippines, first of all, genetics are different, as the peoples of Austronesian and Chinese origin which populates this part of the World are more adapted to a high carb diet, per their adoption of rice agriculture more than 10k year ago. There concerns are mostly about coronary diseases, associated with the peoples love of deep fried food, and their high salt intake. Of course, a more westernized diet (read: sugar, pure carbs, more meat, more frying and less vegetables) is taking it's toll on the younger generations as elsewhere. And here, sugar is sugar cane. Quote:
In a historical perspective, Europe has fed almost exclusively on carbs for centuries, or more precisely, on grain and later potatoes, with meat, dairy and vegetables representing a relatively small share of the diet (the figure of the laborer with his daily ration of a pound of bread is recurring in the literature). On the other hand, nature's bounty and the vast tracts of land available for both grazing and agriculture made meat more available in the American's diet, and actually necessary, for the staple there, maize, is almost pure carbs compared to wheat (25% protein in whole wheat) or rice (10% protein in whole rice). So the big problem is not as much as the share of carb-type food, but the changes in their nature, for there is a whole world in grains and potatoes. Essentially, the problem is that what wasn't pure carb is becoming pure carb, for modern grain and potato products exclude the fiber and protein rich part which used to be consumed. And of course there's the problem of sugar (and worst, corn syrup in the US).
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2010-08-23, 14:44 | Link #78 |
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Yeah, there is definitely some leeway between the paleolithic diet I suggest and simple baseline health. As you said, Europe has had carbohydrates for centuries however certain populations were relatively slow in adopting agriculture (such as Ireland, where I trace my ancestry). As a result, Europe is kind of an in-between in terms of carbohydrate tolerance. In Asia, starchy and grainy carbs have been a staple for so long that there is adaptation. In Europe, some people can eat carbs without many health effects and some people can't. Then, when you look at hunter-gatherer peoples that only very recently began consuming an agriculturally influenced diet, such as Australian Aborigines or Inuits, they have very little tolerance and the highest levels of diabetes and hypertension. Real fascinating stuff.
But like you say the worst problems arise from the relatively modern additions to our diet like corn syrup and sugar. Those individuals who already were probably better off not eating carbohydrates get hit doubly hard with the modern diet. |
2010-08-24, 12:24 | Link #79 | |
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Also, if it says "corn syrup", "high fructose corn syrup", or "HFCS" then you're being sold something that just LOOKS like the food they're calling it. I've come to the opinion that they shouldn't be allowed to call HFCS products the food they're simulating. It isn't ketchup if one of the first 3 ingredients is HFCS. It isn't ice cream, etc. I don't recall a single recipe I've ever seen that says "Add 3 cups of HFCS and mix". I'll put up with a few binder agents or even color additives but this has gotten insane.
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2010-08-24, 13:52 | Link #80 | |
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If it is a recipe for sweettooths, I would rather you add Thaumatin (branded as Talin on shelves) to it. It is 24000 times sweeter an ordinary sugar in a same mass. Though it makes me wonder how can people eat something so disgustingly sweet. I dislike sweet stuff like cakes and sugared tea.
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