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[Key Board]

Originally Posted by monir

They will vote on anything that says "tax cut" in it. You're simply programmed to cut taxes when you're a republican.

What about the "yeah, this bill totally makes sense" GOP voters that voted them into office.

That the GOP pushes this through, seems to suggest that they either

1) have enough dominance to not be afraid of the rich (but not super rich) GOP voters backlash
2) know their base will go along, regardless

[monir]

Donnie goes off in a series of tweet where he is mostly focusing on the FBI:

- Tainted (no, very dishonest?) FBI “agent’s role in Clinton probe under review.” Led Clinton Email probe. @foxandfriends Clinton money going to wife of another FBI agent in charge.

- After years of Comey, with the phony and dishonest Clinton investigation (and more), running the FBI, its reputation is in Tatters - worst in History! But fear not, we will bring it back to greatness.

- People who lost money when the Stock Market went down 350 points based on the False and Dishonest reporting of Brian Ross of @ABC News (he has been suspended), should consider hiring a lawyer and suing ABC for the damages this bad reporting has caused - many millions of dollars!

- Report: “ANTI-TRUMP FBI AGENT LED CLINTON EMAIL PROBE” Now it all starts to make sense!

He had a mixed-bag of a day with triumph at passing tax-cuts both in senate and the house and then get hit with the bombshell of General Mike Flynn. Hence, the tweet storm that reflects his own trepidation of how things are unfolding.

Originally Posted by Key Board

What about the "yeah, this bill totally makes sense" GOP voters that voted them into office.

That the GOP pushes this through, seems to suggest that they either

1) have enough dominance to not be afraid of the rich (but not super rich) GOP voters backlash
2) know their base will go along, regardless

A good number of GOP voters are concerned how this tax cut will add to the debt. It's getting some attention. What is not getting attention is another 9 trillion dollars will also be added fairly soon. Despite those GOP voters concern over the ever increasing debt our nation is undertaking, those voters will fall in line to vote party over country just like Democratic voter. This stalemate is what allowing Trump to thrive thus far.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by monir

Despite those GOP voters concern over the ever increasing debt our nation is undertaking, those voters will fall in line to vote party over country just like Democratic voter. This stalemate is what allowing Trump to thrive thus far.

How can Democrats be called out for both voting third party (and thus allowing Trump to take key swing states) and be called out for falling in line to vote party over country? Sorry, but only the GOP acts this way.

And it's no "stalemate" that's allowing Trump to thrive. It's Congress giving him a pass on literally everything and not holding him accountable for anything. That and gerrymandering and stealing a Supreme Court Justice seat from Obama.

[monir]

Originally Posted by GDB

How can Democrats be called out for both voting third party (and thus allowing Trump to take key swing states) and be called out for falling in line to vote party over country? Sorry, but only the GOP acts this way.

And it's no "stalemate" that's allowing Trump to thrive. It's Congress giving him a pass on literally everything and not holding him accountable for anything. That and gerrymandering and stealing a Supreme Court Justice seat from Obama.

Dems were in control of the both house and the senate in the first two years of Obama's presidency. Democrats lost both during Obama's presidency. Why was that?

I am not going into the tangent of why Hilary loss, but I've followed enough politics over the years to surmise when it comes to key legislation (or presidency for that matter) Dems WILL vote party over country or wouldn't vote at all.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by monir

Dems were in control of the both house and the senate in the first two years of Obama's presidency. Democrats lost both during Obama's presidency. Why was that?

Because Fox News riled up the GOP base into a frenzy because the black President was doing something to help them that might cost them some money but in the long run not really. Meanwhile, the DNC base got complacent and had lower turnout for the midterms.

Regardless, what does that have to do with voting for party over country?

I am not going into the tangent of why Hilary loss, but I've followed enough politics over the years to surmise when it comes to key legislation (or presidency for that matter) Dems WILL vote party over country or wouldn't vote at all.

You're going to need some examples, because just saying you've followed it and surmised it and to believe you isn't going to fly.

[monir]

More Trump endorsement for Moore:

Democrats refusal to give even one vote for massive Tax Cuts is why we need Republican Roy Moore to win in Alabama. We need his vote on stopping crime, illegal immigration, Border Wall, Military, Pro Life, V.A., Judges 2nd Amendment and more. No to Jones, a Pelosi/Schumer Puppet!

Putting Pelosi/Schumer Liberal Puppet Jones into office in Alabama would hurt our great Republican Agenda of low on taxes, tough on crime, strong on military and borders...& so much more. Look at your 401-k’s since Election. Highest Stock Market EVER! Jobs are roaring back!

Originally Posted by GDB

Because Fox News riled up the GOP base into a frenzy because the black President was doing something to help them that might cost them some money but in the long run not really. Meanwhile, the DNC base got complacent and had lower turnout for the midterms.

Regardless, what does that have to do with voting for party over country?



You're going to need some examples, because just saying you've followed it and surmised it and to believe you isn't going to fly.

The sweet black-man president who wins the Nobel peace prize (this award has become a joke anyway) who kills more people in drone strike than any other president. The most promise-to-be-transparent president prosecutes more whistleblowers than in recent memory and wanted to bring Snowden "to justice." As the head of the pro-immigration party he deports more people than any other president in the history of US combined. The people's president who wanted to bring well paying jobs to every able body in the US was drafting another policy like NAFTA, but about thousand times worse in TPP. The guy who promises the earth and the moon when the ACA was passed, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period." and look what happened. Under the sweet black jesus named Obama the nation's debt ballooned to 15+ trillion dollars. Under him the Patriot Act was expanded to the point it's okay to drone strike a US citizen in the US soil which he used to criticize Bush for before he was the president. Under him the bulk data collection was happening by NSA and when the NSA chief was asked in congress if they are doing such thing without people's knowledge and permission, the guy flat out said, "no." until Snowden toot the horn. His foreign policy for the most part was a big giant pile of S-H-I-T (Russia, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Afghanistan and etc).

Yes, Fox News riled the GOP base from nothing.

Those few examples above show Obama should not have won the second term and yet he did. PARTY OVER COUNTRY.

Two things I'll give him credit for. He is a phenomenal speaker and he boosted the renewable energy sector into hyperdrive. Other than that, at the end of the day, he is just another corporate shill who managed to alienate a portion of the country who had a lot of high expectation from him when he swept into the presidency with those famous words of hope-and-change.

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by monir

Two things I'll give him credit for. He is a phenomenal speaker and he boosted the renewable energy sector into hyperdrive. Other than that, at the end of the day, he is just another corporate shill who managed to alienate a portion of the country who had a lot of high expectation from him when he swept into the presidency with those famous words of hope-and-change.

To be fair to him, he also did the Iran deal. As Obamacare, it was a improvement over the previous situation but still didn't go far enough and was a big gift for the insurance companies.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by monir

The sweet black-man president who wins the Nobel peace prize (this award has become a joke anyway) who kills more people in drone strike than any other president. The most promise-to-be-transparent president prosecutes more whistleblowers than in recent memory and wanted to bring Snowden "to justice." As the head of the pro-immigration party he deports more people than any other president in the history of US combined. The people's president who wanted to bring well paying jobs to every able body in the US was drafting another policy like NAFTA, but about thousand times worse in TPP. The guy who promises the earth and the moon when the ACA was passed, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period." and look what happened. Under the sweet black jesus named Obama the nation's debt ballooned to 15+ trillion dollars. Under him the Patriot Act was expanded to the point it's okay to drone strike a US citizen in the US soil which he used to criticize Bush for before he was the president. Under him the bulk data collection was happening by NSA and when the NSA chief was asked in congress if they are doing such thing without people's knowledge and permission, the guy flat out said, "no." until Snowden toot the horn. His foreign policy for the most part was a big giant pile of S-H-I-T (Russia, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Afghanistan and etc).

Constantly calling him "sweet black jesus" in such a condescending tone doesn't come off as extremely racist or anything. Nope, totally helps convey your argument, which still has absolutely NOTHING to do with your original statement of democrats in Congress voting party over country. It's all just Obama being a hypocrite. But no actual examples of what you're arguing.

Those few examples above show Obama should not have won the second term and yet he did. PARTY OVER COUNTRY.

And you ignore all the good he did. What good is Trump and the GOP doing? What good would they have done? Because all signs point to them bringing about an impending rehash of 1929, all while trying to institute a fascist regime and subvert democracy itself.

[Eisdrache]

I don't want to join this argument further but what Trump/GOP does or doesn't has no relevance to whether democrats vote party over country or don't.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

I don't want to join this argument further but what Trump/GOP does or doesn't has no relevance to whether democrats vote party over country or don't.

For normal voters, it most certainly does. Lesser of two evils is a thing. For Congress, he still hasnt argued this point at all.

[Key Board]

The biggest factors for the national debt increase

1) The still ongoing war on terror/whatever you call it.
2) Bush tax cuts

Obama was accountable for expanding sustaining and expanding number 1, and it's really shameful.

But now the current administration wants a gulf war trilogy finale with Iran and is doubling down on tax cuts

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by GDB

For normal voters, it most certainly does. Lesser of two evils is a thing. For Congress, he still hasnt argued this point at all.

It's just whataboutism. A: They did X bad. B: But the other side did Y even worse!
And then they keep discussing Y or whether Y is really worse than X rather than how to fix the present problem X.

For congress if the democrats push a legislation that only benefits their party at the cost of the country in whatever form that may take, then the republicans don't really factor into that at all. For the base if they vote for something that will hurt them just because it came from the democrats rather than the republicans then you can't really blame republicans for that either. If the choice is between a bad republican legislation and a slightly less worse democratic one, then what you should rather think about is why did you elect these people for congress in the first place.

[The Green One]

So apparently Trump's latest excuse is that he can't obstruct justice is because he is the law and therefore above it.

[SeijiSensei]

Originally Posted by Key Board

The biggest factors for the national debt increase

1) The still ongoing war on terror/whatever you call it.
2) Bush tax cuts

The recession played a far greater role than either of these. After the collapse Federal tax receipts declined, while the "automatic stablizers" like unemployment insurance and food stamps kicked in, creating large deficits and running up the debt.

Spoiler for size:

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

It's just whataboutism. A: They did X bad. B: But the other side did Y even worse!
And then they keep discussing Y or whether Y is really worse than X rather than how to fix the present problem X.

For congress if the democrats push a legislation that only benefits their party at the cost of the country in whatever form that may take, then the republicans don't really factor into that at all. For the base if they vote for something that will hurt them just because it came from the democrats rather than the republicans then you can't really blame republicans for that either. If the choice is between a bad republican legislation and a slightly less worse democratic one, then what you should rather think about is why did you elect these people for congress in the first place.

You are right, but when the argument devolved into "Obama shouldn't have gotten a second term", what the Republicans do or plan to do absolutely matters.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

It's just whataboutism. A: They did X bad. B: But the other side did Y even worse!
And then they keep discussing Y or whether Y is really worse than X rather than how to fix the present problem X.

For congress if the democrats push a legislation that only benefits their party at the cost of the country in whatever form that may take, then the republicans don't really factor into that at all. For the base if they vote for something that will hurt them just because it came from the democrats rather than the republicans then you can't really blame republicans for that either. If the choice is between a bad republican legislation and a slightly less worse democratic one, then what you should rather think about is why did you elect these people for congress in the first place.

You elect them because they're literally the only choices. It's about being realistic. And you're going to have to source democrats pushing through legislation that's against its base's best interest. For all your talk about how whataboutism is bad, you sure are using it to justify the GOP's actions.

And, once again, for the third or fourth time now, this isn't about voting bases, it's about Congress. What legislation did the Democrats pass that was party over country?

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

You are right, but when the argument devolved into "Obama shouldn't have gotten a second term", what the Republicans do or plan to do absolutely matters.

Exactly. Everyone who isn't brainwashed knew exactly what would happen if the GOP got control. And lo and behold, now that they're in control they're doing exactly that. And their base is so brainwashed that they don't even have to hide how corrupt they're being about it.

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by GDB

You elect them because they're literally the only choices. It's about being realistic. And you're going to have to source democrats pushing through legislation that's against its base's best interest. For all your talk about how whataboutism is bad, you sure are using it to justify the GOP's actions.

I have not even talked about any GOP action at all yet somehow I am justifying them. Learning something new every day.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

I have not even talked about any GOP action at all yet somehow I am justifying them. Learning something new every day.

You said it was okay for republican voters to vote against their interests because somehow, somewhen, without specifying, democrat voters did it.

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by monir

The sweet black-man president who wins the Nobel peace prize (this award has become a joke anyway) who kills more people in drone strike than any other president. The most promise-to-be-transparent president prosecutes more whistleblowers than in recent memory and wanted to bring Snowden "to justice." As the head of the pro-immigration party he deports more people than any other president in the history of US combined. The people's president who wanted to bring well paying jobs to every able body in the US was drafting another policy like NAFTA, but about thousand times worse in TPP. The guy who promises the earth and the moon when the ACA was passed, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period." and look what happened. Under the sweet black jesus named Obama the nation's debt ballooned to 15+ trillion dollars. Under him the Patriot Act was expanded to the point it's okay to drone strike a US citizen in the US soil which he used to criticize Bush for before he was the president. Under him the bulk data collection was happening by NSA and when the NSA chief was asked in congress if they are doing such thing without people's knowledge and permission, the guy flat out said, "no." until Snowden toot the horn. His foreign policy for the most part was a big giant pile of S-H-I-T (Russia, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Afghanistan and etc).

Yes, Fox News riled the GOP base from nothing.

Those few examples above show Obama should not have won the second term and yet he did. PARTY OVER COUNTRY.

Two things I'll give him credit for. He is a phenomenal speaker and he boosted the renewable energy sector into hyperdrive. Other than that, at the end of the day, he is just another corporate shill who managed to alienate a portion of the country who had a lot of high expectation from him when he swept into the presidency with those famous words of hope-and-change.

This is not what Fox news voters care about. This is what Jill Stein voters and Bernie Bros care about. They also do not represent a majority of the base no matter how you slice it. Let's remember that Obama left office right now with actually fairly good approval ratings.

Party over country is no where near as pervasive on the left. Scott Brown won in Ma. if you remember which sunk a lot of the ACA improvement efforts and he wasn't even against a child molester. We'll see how this upcoming election goes in Alabama, but the signs aren't encouraging.

[monir]

Originally Posted by GDB

Constantly calling him "sweet black jesus" in such a condescending tone doesn't come off as extremely racist or anything. Nope, totally helps convey your argument, which still has absolutely NOTHING to do with your original statement of democrats in Congress voting party over country. It's all just Obama being a hypocrite. But no actual examples of what you're arguing.

Racist??? Let me ask you, why did you feel the need to add "black" to describe president Obama? Do you usually add "white" to describe 40+ other president that came before Obama? Your silly bait irked me so the condescending tone was necessary to drive home I'm not holding Obama as someone special because he was the first black president this country had. He's just another president.

Now to get back to the point of this silly argument you baited me into. At no point did I said anything about democrats in congress voting party-over-country. I was talking about average people. Re-read those posts, but to address that point also about democrats voting party over country... abso-FUCKING-lutely. Politicians on both sides do this more often than not. An example of democrats' voting party-over-country is the fucking ACA. They had the votes in both houses of congress and yet they could not come up with something better than the ACA. A lot of these fuckers did not even read the bill before going along with the party-line vote. Pelosi once said you had to pass the bill to find out what's in it when some of them started question the content of the bill. And when ACA turned quickly unpopular those same fuckers started to disassociate themselves from the bill and even Obama for the sake of re-election.

I hope that was a good enough example of Democratic lawmakers voting party over country. Also don't forget lawmakers are representative of the people that elect them, meaning those people, in a way, are voting party over country.

And you ignore all the good he did.

Why don't you list all the good he did. You asserted that Fox News riled the GOP base into a frenzy. How did they accomplish that? So I pointed out those examples of Obama's hiccups for your benefit and to show how Fox News had plenty of ammunition to fill their time slots regularly.

What good is Trump and the GOP doing?

Most of the Trump supporters seem to think he is doing a bang-up job. Whatever he is doing obviously good for them. but.... I will name one anyway.... during the first couple of months of Trump in the office the flow of illegal immigration has fallen by more than 90%.

What good would they have done? Because all signs point to them bringing about an impending rehash of 1929, all while trying to institute a fascist regime and subvert democracy itself.

I'm guessing you're referring to the GOP lawmakers and not the average people? We at least know where the GOP stands with their tax-cuts, or their social agendas and etc. We, however, don't always know where the democrats stand. When Obama swept into the office in 2009, people were hoping this inexperienced politician will be able to unite the country to finally achieve those great things every politician promise to get into a office. Majority of people of every background sincerely believed him. To pave the way for those achievement Obama had the congress under him too. And then he achieved nothing, well almost nothing except the flawed ACA which quickly became anything but affordable. You speak of subverting democracy itself under GOP. It happened just as much under Obama in the form of Patriot Act which he expanded and strengthened its ramifications instead of weakening it. He paved the way for indiscrimnant bulk data collection on the US citizen. Unlike the GOP he was subverting democracy sneakily. I remember when Dick Chaney of all people calling Obama out for why he wasn't getting rid of a lot of those archaic measures enacted during the Bush presidency... especially when Obama preached about how bad those were before he became president. And so on and on and on.....

Most of us are blinded by our own loyalty to the point it holds us back from questioning when something obviously doesn't feel right because it was put/placed there by the party we support. But we're quick to point out the flaws of the other side of the argument and like to hold ourselves high above in our moral and ethical superiority. Fact of the matter is, you're behaving just like those "brainwashed" Fox News viewers who are thinking about you in exactly the same manner.

I can also predict that the strategy of timely dirt on the GOP opponent isn't going to work as effectively as it did in winning past elections. Romney probably wins that election if not for the 47% video surfacing in well-timed fashion. After two terms of Obama people just don't seem to give a fuck anymore when everyday politics remain all the same: Promise a lot of things and don't follow up with those promises when one is in the office. If Roy Moore wins Alabama it will only reinforce that opinion. Whatever this pussy-grabber is doing or saying, you have to admit that he is a god-send for the average GOP voters because he is actually fulfilling a lot of those campaign promises he made to those voters.

My rant is over.