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Sunder the Gold · 2011-12-23, 18:43

It occurs to me that Yuuno is similar to Fate. Much more so than we ever would have believed.

Yes, there is the obvious difference that Yuuno lacks Fate's offensive power and some of her speed, but makes up for it with defensive power. And the handicap that Yuuno doesn't use any Device, let alone one as good as Bardiche.

But now that we know Yuuno has a shooting spell and a magically-enhanced melee attack spell, as well as using his chains and barriers for attacks, it's obvious that Yuuno is similar to Fate in that they both favor an even mix of long range and short range attacks.

That is to say that they do not favor a particular range of combat, and instead adapt to their opponent; they find the range that their opponent is weakest at, and then try to control the fight to take advantage of that.

Fate attempts to control the range of the fight through her speed, by rushing in and retreating out as necessary.

Yuuno attempts to control the fight more directly, by pulling his opponent in with a bind or blasting them back (I assume with a barrier).

Keroko · 2011-12-23, 19:13

What you outlined is more a difference than a similarity.

Sunder the Gold · 2011-12-23, 19:30

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Originally Posted by Keroko

What you outlined is more a difference than a similarity.

Compared to Nanoha or Vita, who each favor only one range?

Keroko · 2011-12-23, 19:35

Fate is a skirmisher, dashing in and out of melee. Yuuno controls a fight with binds, pulling or pushing opponents. It's the exact opposite. Add to that that Yuuno quite simply isn't a melee fighter in the core sense (having a melee attack and being a melee fighter is a rather vast difference) and I do not see how he is like Fate at all.

You'd be more accurate if you compared Fate with Vita. Both prefer melee, but are not adverse to using ranged attacks should the situation call for them.

Sunder the Gold · 2011-12-23, 19:55

Fate has bombardment magic and turned a shooting spell into a volley bombardment (Genocide/Phalanx Shift). Seems to me that her ranged game is as good as her melee game.

rxrx · 2011-12-23, 20:54

Sure, but Fate, Presia, Revi, Linis all have poor defense. Presia, if not careful can lose about 90% of health from a FBD. Fate and Revi have it worst as they can get one hit kill if hit by the FBD when they are in sonic form. It runs in the family I guess.

Sunder the Gold · 2011-12-23, 21:25

Not sure what that has to do with it. Either it means nothing because she's going to rely on dodging and blocking to defend herself in melee engagements, or it is an argument that she should avoid melee and stay at range for safety.

rxrx · 2011-12-23, 21:32

She should hit fast and quick as she can't last long. You can only dodge that much.

Laith · 2011-12-24, 01:03

So anyway people, how are Vivio, Einheart and Thoma unlocked for single player mode?

rxrx · 2011-12-24, 01:13

Fight in the arcade mode and either one will appear in Battle 3. Beat them and you can use them in other modes. Just to note, the same goes for the materials as they will appear in Battle 6 in arcade and just beat them there and you unlock them too.

Laith · 2011-12-24, 01:15

Oh, interesting. I got the materials by finishing the Final sequence with everyone.

rxrx · 2011-12-24, 01:17

Well, that too was a way to unlock them but the arcade way is also a method. Using Chrono to fight Yuri is nightmare.

Laith · 2011-12-24, 01:19

Not really, just bind her when she tries to attack you from far away. She takes longer on her attack than the bind.

bhl88 · 2011-12-24, 01:20

I wonder if Yami's ability in Weiss Schwarz (+1000 power with Rai and +1 soul with Seikou) is related to her final form.....

Looks like Levi, Stern and Dearche like their names.... wonder if Yasanagi/Nanya01 will change their names....

Levi: MY NAME IS COOOOLLLL~

WarpObscura · 2011-12-24, 03:06

Did somebody mention Unison Material-D? How does that work?

And do Rein and Yuuno appear anywhere onscreen together?

Laith · 2011-12-24, 03:19

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Originally Posted by WarpObscura

Did somebody mention Unison Material-D? How does that work?

Spoiler for "Unison" Dearche:

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And do Rein and Yuuno appear anywhere onscreen together?

Negative chief.

bhl88 · 2011-12-24, 06:32

Spoiler for trope:

Sunder the Gold · 2011-12-24, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Old_Iron

Grab is the close range circle attack and his is laying down a magic circle that activates an auto-grab ignoring range when his opponent step on it. Doesn't last long, but useful.

So, like Chrono's Delayed Bind, but cast at short range instead of long range?

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Yuuno actually bludgeons his opponents with his magically enhanced bare hands

Wow.

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before blowing them away from him.

With a magical punch, or a barrier/shield to the face?

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He can chain that into a close range smash with his binds.

Meaning that he blows them away, snags them with Chain Bind, and draws them into a Barrier Smash or another round of punching?

Also, what's this I hear in the Image thread about Vivio flirting with Yuuno?

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Originally Posted by WarpObscura

do Rein and Yuuno appear anywhere onscreen together?

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Originally Posted by Laith

Negative chief.

Darn.

Still, Yuuno and Vivio appearing together on the same screen and actually talking to each other? That's a much bigger wonder.

Laith · 2011-12-24, 14:56

Wait what? No she doesn't.

Spoiler for Sequence 2 Battle 03B:

There's also a Einhart vs Yuuno in Sequence 8 Battle 05B and then Yuuno doesn't appear in the final battle (which story wise may be a pity but gameplay wise is a godsend.)

Sunder the Gold · 2011-12-24, 15:10

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Originally Posted by Laith

Wait what? No she doesn't.

Yeah, thought that was too weird to be true.

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Yuuno doesn't appear in the final battle (which story wise may be a pity but gameplay wise is a godsend.)

Getting a Device suited for him at the last minute would have been a power-up on the level of Blaster Mode or Unison, and would have solved that issue.

Alas, it is not to be. At least not for the this game.

If they make another one after this, and he's still in it, maybe then.

2011-12-24, 01:03	Link #1129
Laith Even if it just for a bit Author Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cold Storage Age: 32	So anyway people, how are Vivio, Einheart and Thoma unlocked for single player mode? __________________ Inexistant Time: My ranting place.・・・Fenruer Intun FanFiction Profile.

2011-12-24, 01:15	Link #1131
Laith Even if it just for a bit Author Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cold Storage Age: 32	Oh, interesting. I got the materials by finishing the Final sequence with everyone. __________________ Inexistant Time: My ranting place.・・・Fenruer Intun FanFiction Profile.

2011-12-24, 01:19	Link #1133
Laith Even if it just for a bit Author Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cold Storage Age: 32	Not really, just bind her when she tries to attack you from far away. She takes longer on her attack than the bind. __________________ Inexistant Time: My ranting place.・・・Fenruer Intun FanFiction Profile.

2011-12-24, 01:20	Link #1134
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	I wonder if Yami's ability in Weiss Schwarz (+1000 power with Rai and +1 soul with Seikou) is related to her final form..... Looks like Levi, Stern and Dearche like their names.... wonder if Yasanagi/Nanya01 will change their names.... Levi: MY NAME IS COOOOLLLL~ __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2011-12-24, 03:06	Link #1135
WarpObscura Bibliophile Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: There's this dot on the world map...	Did somebody mention Unison Material-D? How does that work? And do Rein and Yuuno appear anywhere onscreen together? __________________ Yo dawg, I heard you like QB... Thanks MAEt for the av!

2011-12-23, 18:43	Link #1121
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	It occurs to me that Yuuno is similar to Fate. Much more so than we ever would have believed. Yes, there is the obvious difference that Yuuno lacks Fate's offensive power and some of her speed, but makes up for it with defensive power. And the handicap that Yuuno doesn't use any Device, let alone one as good as Bardiche. But now that we know Yuuno has a shooting spell and a magically-enhanced melee attack spell, as well as using his chains and barriers for attacks, it's obvious that Yuuno is similar to Fate in that they both favor an even mix of long range and short range attacks. That is to say that they do not favor a particular range of combat, and instead adapt to their opponent; they find the range that their opponent is weakest at, and then try to control the fight to take advantage of that. Fate attempts to control the range of the fight through her speed, by rushing in and retreating out as necessary. Yuuno attempts to control the fight more directly, by pulling his opponent in with a bind or blasting them back (I assume with a barrier).

2011-12-23, 19:13	Link #1122
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	What you outlined is more a difference than a similarity.

2011-12-23, 19:35	Link #1124
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Fate is a skirmisher, dashing in and out of melee. Yuuno controls a fight with binds, pulling or pushing opponents. It's the exact opposite. Add to that that Yuuno quite simply isn't a melee fighter in the core sense (having a melee attack and being a melee fighter is a rather vast difference) and I do not see how he is like Fate at all. You'd be more accurate if you compared Fate with Vita. Both prefer melee, but are not adverse to using ranged attacks should the situation call for them.

2011-12-23, 19:55	Link #1125
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Fate has bombardment magic and turned a shooting spell into a volley bombardment (Genocide/Phalanx Shift). Seems to me that her ranged game is as good as her melee game.

2011-12-23, 20:54	Link #1126
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Sure, but Fate, Presia, Revi, Linis all have poor defense. Presia, if not careful can lose about 90% of health from a FBD. Fate and Revi have it worst as they can get one hit kill if hit by the FBD when they are in sonic form. It runs in the family I guess.

2011-12-23, 21:25	Link #1127
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Not sure what that has to do with it. Either it means nothing because she's going to rely on dodging and blocking to defend herself in melee engagements, or it is an argument that she should avoid melee and stay at range for safety.

2011-12-23, 21:32	Link #1128
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	She should hit fast and quick as she can't last long. You can only dodge that much.

2011-12-24, 01:13	Link #1130
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Fight in the arcade mode and either one will appear in Battle 3. Beat them and you can use them in other modes. Just to note, the same goes for the materials as they will appear in Battle 6 in arcade and just beat them there and you unlock them too.

2011-12-24, 01:17	Link #1132
rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Well, that too was a way to unlock them but the arcade way is also a method. Using Chrono to fight Yuri is nightmare.

2011-12-24, 06:32	Link #1137
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	Spoiler for trope: UD: You have outlived your usefulness. Spoiler for reason: controlled. __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2011-12-24, 14:56	Link #1139
Laith Even if it just for a bit Author Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cold Storage Age: 32	Wait what? No she doesn't. Spoiler for Sequence 2 Battle 03B: Wha happens is that she calls him Yuuno-something I think is something akin to teacher but don't quote on that, And asks him if he is using transformation to look smaller. He just asks who she is and Vivio freaks out. Yuuno actually thinks that she may be related to Belka because of her heterochromia. Vivio calls Einhart telling him that she found Yuuno and Einhart tells her that she found mother too except smaller and then shenanigans and they fight Yuuno wins and vivio is all like "I see why you were the teacher of the Ace of Aces" and then Yuuno is all like "Ace of aces?" and then Vivio decides to flee. I think Vivio says something about Nanoha-mama and Fate-mama and then Yuuno starts to process information and is interrupted by Nanoha who asks him about Hegemont i think is spelled? well about him, and he answers and I don't think there's more. There's also a Einhart vs Yuuno in Sequence 8 Battle 05B and then Yuuno doesn't appear in the final battle (which story wise may be a pity but gameplay wise is a godsend.) __________________ Inexistant Time: My ranting place.・・・Fenruer Intun FanFiction Profile.