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Old 2017-04-02, 13:27   Link #10081
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Was that Fianna that spelled it out to her?
IIRC, I think this scene also in anime



I beg to differ. All of other girls found out by themselves that Kamito was Ren Ashbell. I don't agree if Kamito should tell them that, because that's one of his embarrassing history

Also, if they're observant enough, they should more or less able to deduce that Kamito was Ren Ashbell, like Velsaria for example.
Btw, iirc, Claire believed that Kamito was Greyworth disciple together Ren Ashbell when she asked Kamito why Kamito was able to use same technique with Ren Ashbell, it was in volume 8 right?
Since when did Claire know that Kamito was Ren Ashbell?
Well for the Scarlet thing she asked Scarlet that question, and Scarlet avoided it.

She figured it out in volume 10 I believe and I think 11 is when she asked Kamito to confirm it.
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Old 2017-04-02, 16:25   Link #10082
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Was that Fianna that spelled it out to her?
IIRC, I think this scene also in anime

I beg to differ. All of other girls found out by themselves that Kamito was Ren Ashbell. I don't agree if Kamito should tell them that, because that's one of his embarrassing history
Since when did Claire know that Kamito was Ren Ashbell?
No, it was Rinslet who told this (I think) .
Claire didn't know, she might had some ideas about it, no more.
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Old 2017-04-02, 17:29   Link #10083
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No, it was Rinslet who told this (I think) .
Claire didn't know, she might had some ideas about it, no more.
Claire knows because in volume 10 I think it was, she become the Darkness Queen and Rubia challenged them Kamito turns round and says "Claire watch carefully I am the strongest blade dancer, Renfrewshire Ashbell"
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Old 2017-04-02, 20:46   Link #10084
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Claire knows he is Ashbell, and they are keeping it secret from the others. She doesn't know Fianna knows it tho.
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Old 2017-04-02, 23:04   Link #10085
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Claire knows because in volume 10 I think it was, she become the Darkness Queen and Rubia challenged them Kamito turns round and says "Claire watch carefully I am the strongest blade dancer, Renfrewshire Ashbell"
She knew before that in Volume 9 when she was protecting Restia from Luminaris.

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"Claire Rouge. Why are you going to so far in protecting that darkness spirit?"

"...None of your business."

"--Is it because the demon sword belongs to the Strongest Blade Dancer, Ren Ashbell?"

"Like I said, none of your -- Eh?"
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Old 2017-04-03, 03:21   Link #10086
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While of team Scarlet only Claire and Fianna know, all the girls kinda got a hint in V7, where Kamito obliterated the Ren Ashbell clone and said some badly chosen words (saying "Let me demonstrate to you the swordsmanship of the Strongest Blade Dancer!" turns out to be not a good way to hide being said Strongest Blade Dancer). That probably was one of the biggest hints Claire got, and I think it's pretty likely Ellis and Risnlet have their own suspicions, it's just that the cross-dressing part is a big leap.
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Old 2017-04-03, 05:21   Link #10087
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i agree they should know
First of all, its an embarassing story, and second Ren Ashbell is looked upon and a role model not only to Rinslet and Ellis but pretty much all of the students of Areisha Spirit Academy. All the girls wants to be like her. If they found out their dreams and aspiration will be ruined.

But it doesn't mean they'll never find out, its just not at this volume yet. It'll be known to them in the future.

And it seems Rubia is officially in the Harem now that she declared to let Kamito use the way he wants to. What do you think?
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Old 2017-04-03, 05:43   Link #10088
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^Even if he told them, their admiration will remain, it would just... change slightly (iykwim )
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Old 2017-04-03, 06:21   Link #10089
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First of all, its an embarassing story, and second Ren Ashbell is looked upon and a role model not only to Rinslet and Ellis but pretty much all of the students of Areisha Spirit Academy. All the girls wants to be like her. If they found out their dreams and aspiration will be ruined.

But it doesn't mean they'll never find out, its just not at this volume yet. It'll be known to them in the future.

And it seems Rubia is officially in the Harem now that she declared to let Kamito use the way he wants to. What do you think?
For Rinslet it would be one of those things that's a big deal but not a huge one. She'll be more mad at Claire because she knew and didn't say something.

Ellis that's a whole different monster. Let's face it THE defining moment of her life was Ren Ashbell vs her sister and that changed Velsaria for the worst. If she found out that the man she loved in Kamito was the reason for it because of her knightly personality that will be a big blow. Especially considering that Fianna and Claire both knew

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^Even if he told them, their admiration will remain, it would just... change slightly (iykwim )
I know what you mean but i think you're underestimating the impact that it would have
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Old 2017-04-03, 06:35   Link #10090
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First of all, its an embarassing story, and second Ren Ashbell is looked upon and a role model not only to Rinslet and Ellis but pretty much all of the students of Areisha Spirit Academy. All the girls wants to be like her. If they found out their dreams and aspiration will be ruined.
Sorry but i strongly disagree especially this bold part, you think the girls will feel disappointed and betrayed because Ren Ashbell is male? I don't know about nameless girls and frankly i don't care but Ellis and Rinslet? No, that's totally out of their character if they truly feel disgust about this fact.

What make most people admired Ren Ashbell, it's not because of her beauty or appearance but because of her blade dance skill, Ellis clearly state that she was charmed and attracted by Ren Ashbell because of her blade dance is more noble than anyone. In other word, they admired Ren Ashbell because of her skill, not because of her appearance or gender.

Imagine if Ellis and Rinslet finally know Kamito is Ren Ashbell, they might feel uneasy how to face him at first but lately i'm very sure they will accept it and start to realize that the person who is their goal all the time in fact is the same person they're falling in love with, it will make them love Kamito even more.
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Old 2017-04-03, 06:44   Link #10091
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Sorry but i strongly disagree especially this bold part, you think the girls will feel disappointed and betrayed because Ren Ashbell is male? I don't know about nameless girls and frankly i don't care but Ellis and Rinslet? No, that's totally out of their character if they truly feel disgust about this fact.

What make most people admired Ren Ashbell, it's not because of her beauty or appearance but because of her blade dance skill, Ellis clearly state that she was charmed and attracted by Ren Ashbell because of her blade dance is more noble than anyone. In other word they admired Ren Ashbell because of her skill, not because of her appearance or gender.

Imagine if Ellis and Rinslet finally know Kamito is Ren Ashbell, they might feel uneasy how to face him at first but lately i'm very sure they will accept it and start to realize that the person who is their goal all the time in fact is the same person they're falling in love with, it will make them love Kamito even more.
In fact they may surprised, like Claire, but no more, their feelings remains the same
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Old 2017-04-03, 08:25   Link #10092
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For Rinslet it would be one of those things that's a big deal but not a huge one. She'll be more mad at Claire because she knew and didn't say something.
Yeah. I'll guess she doesn't like her friends keeping secrets or maybe she's jealous Claire discovered the secret before her.

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Ellis that's a whole different monster. Let's face it THE defining moment of her life was Ren Ashbell vs her sister and that changed Velsaria for the worst. If she found out that the man she loved in Kamito was the reason for it because of her knightly personality that will be a big blow. Especially considering that Fianna and Claire both knew

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Sorry but i strongly disagree especially this bold part, you think the girls will feel disappointed and betrayed because Ren Ashbell is male? I don't know about nameless girls and frankly i don't care but Ellis and Rinslet? No, that's totally out of their character if they truly feel disgust about this fact.
It is always believed that only pure maidens can only make a contract with a spirit. So knowing Ren Ashbell the strongest blade dancer is female is a lie. Well, it'll be chaos. Well that's what Kamito think.

Imagine if a person won Miss Universe, and somebody find its a guy. What would everyone feel?

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What make most people admired Ren Ashbell, it's not because of her beauty or appearance but because of her blade dance skill, Ellis clearly state that she was charmed and attracted by Ren Ashbell because of her blade dance is more noble than anyone. In other word, they admired Ren Ashbell because of her skill, not because of her appearance or gender.
Ren was admired by all of those things, both beauty and skill. Again, I'm just saying what Kamito's reason not to reveal the identity.

ignorance is bliss I guess...

Sorry, I can't explain properly as I've last read the volumes two years ago.


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Imagine if Ellis and Rinslet finally know Kamito is Ren Ashbell, they might feel uneasy how to face him at first but lately i'm very sure they will accept it and start to realize that the person who is their goal all the time in fact is the same person they're falling in love with, it will make them love Kamito even more.
I'm sure they'll accept it eventually. they'll come a time where he has to reveal it to them.
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Old 2017-04-03, 09:41   Link #10093
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It is always believed that only pure maidens can only make a contract with a spirit. So knowing Ren Ashbell the strongest blade dancer is female is a lie. Well, it'll be chaos. Well that's what Kamito think.
That logic was the reason that they hid the final battle from everybody Reicha confiscated the footage because of that. If it was revealed that Kamito was Ren Ashbell it would be a scandal of scandals.

As for the girls the simple fact is for Ellis it's PURELY because of the fact she's a knight. It might not be as bad as it would've been earlier on in the series but it still will be problematic.
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Old 2017-04-03, 11:17   Link #10094
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It is always believed that only pure maidens can only make a contract with a spirit. So knowing Ren Ashbell the strongest blade dancer is female is a lie. Well, it'll be chaos. Well that's what Kamito think.

Imagine if a person won Miss Universe, and somebody find its a guy. What would everyone feel?

Ren was admired by all of those things, both beauty and skill. Again, I'm just saying what Kamito's reason not to reveal the identity.

ignorance is bliss I guess...

Sorry, I can't explain properly as I've last read the volumes two years ago.
I should have write my point clear, sorry.

I understand what you're trying to say but like i said before i don't care about those nameless girls know the truth or what would happened if they know Ren Ashbell is male.

what i want to say is Ellis and Rinslet won't be bother about this mattet or their view about Ren is ruined because of some silly reason like Ren is male, the main reason they admired Ren because of her bladedance. there is no reason for Kamito to worry if they know the truth and he should know it and trust them.
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I'm sure they'll accept it eventually. they'll come a time where he has to reveal it to them.
i only can hope it happen before this seires end. Right now i don't see Kamito will reveal to them anytime soon..
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Old 2017-04-03, 13:04   Link #10095
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Well either the reveal will destroy the young girl's dreams, or they'll just transfer their creepy fixations for Ren Ashbell to him. Something he very much does NOT want. It's lose lose as he sees it. Also I think he wants to keep the knowledge that he was crossdressing restricted to as few people as possible just out of sheer embarrassment.
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Old 2017-04-11, 11:31   Link #10096
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While we're waiting for the final section of the volume to be translated I thought i'd tell you guys about a new fanfic i just posted on fanfiction.net this morning. It's called Rubia's Atonement and it's based off of Chapter 8 in the last volume. Hope you guys enjoy it and leave your opinion for me on that.
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Old 2017-04-12, 08:47   Link #10097
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I think that Kamito will reveal that he is Ren Ashbell when became the neo demon king that woulb be a liberator rather than a conqueror since that reveal would cause chaos to the enemy public.
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I think that Kamito will reveal that he is Ren Ashbell when became the neo demon king that woulb be a liberator rather than a conqueror since that reveal would cause chaos to the enemy public.
Actually i don't think he SHOULD ever reveal it to the public. Tell the girls yes but let Ren Ashbell stand alone.
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Old 2017-04-13, 00:56   Link #10099
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Actually i don't think he SHOULD ever reveal it to the public. Tell the girls yes but let Ren Ashbell stand alone.
I agree. Can you imagine all the country fighting in a war yet the elementists can't concentrate because of that...

If he did though it would remove morale from the other side. hahaah

*The sound of hearts breaking resounded throughout the battlefield*
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Old 2017-04-13, 01:01   Link #10100
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^^Agreed. While it would show his faith in his harem/comrades by him revealing his past, it would cause nothing but unrest among the public. I guess some things are better of left unsaid.
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