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Come to think of it, AKB0048 does kinda bear some similarity to the “Singing on the Battlefield” group. If only the anime would actually explore that line. Then it might actually be good. I'd rather not because then she'd turn into another obnoxious Yamakan, except even worse because she's fighting for weird crap rather than good storylines...
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Look @ the Top LN sellers for the first half of the fiscal year on MAL, out of the 38 novels shown, only 4 entries do not yet have an anime aired or announced. Biblia Koshoten no Jikentecho (the clear #1 and #2 LN of 2012), Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei, Date A Live & Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko. They are only @ 2 vols, 5 vols, 4 vols and 5 vols respectively so it's only a matter of time. Though Jikentecho due to its mainstream popularity could get the live action treatment instead. Manga is in the same situation... only 3 titles out of the Top 30 are yet to have an anime though the big gun of that bunch in Shingeki no Kyojin is already getting a live action movie. This combined with most big selling titles actually being anime originals is probably a reason for the spike in them the last two years, certainly more than any Mari Okada ffs. Quickly scanning there was like 7 anime originals in 2010 and just about double that the following year.. and 2010 had no Mari Okada originals... they doubled the output before Okada left her imprint, whatever you determine it to be. |
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2012-06-02, 13:17 | Link #44 | ||
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As for Okada, she's quite well read. Junichiro Tanizaki is a probable influence, at least for True Tears (BTW, what immediately stood out to me was Hiromi's way of letting Shinichirou catch a glimpse of her while undressing or preparing for a bath. It bears a striking resemblance to something from The Makioka Sisters) and Hanasaku Iroha. Quote:
It has nothing to do with Mari Okada (her initial anime original efforts were commercial failures anyway, with CANAAN arguably doubling as a critical flop) since several original projects sprang up at the same time - Penguindrum, Dog Days, Madoka, Blood-C, Guilty Crown, Ano Natsu de Matteru.....I think we already got a sense of what was happening with TV Tokyo's Anime no Chikara. |
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The only anime I've seen written by her is Aquarion EVOL.
Honestly even though I liked the original Aquarion, I thought it was lacking at some points, but Aquarion EVOL falls way below that. At least the 12000 year romance in the original was quite fresh and interesting, but EVOL was just horrible and childish.
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And if Okada has nothing to do with the recent rise in anime originals, then why is she so often getting picked to do writing for them? It's almost like the anime industry has nobody to turn to but her... Well, you can't have anime originals unless you have people that are actually capable and willing and available to write the entire narratives for them. I should hope that we can all agree that somebody writing an anime original has a lot more work to do than somebody who simply takes a manga, LN, or a VN and adapts it into anime (all else being equal, such as length of the anime in question). So if Okada hadn't been available to write HSI and AnoHana, who would have wrote them? Would they even have been made?
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There's no reason to believe that she's the cause of an increase in original shows through True Tears and CANAAN (unless you also believe that Sora no Woto, Guilty Crown, and Vivid Red Operation were made for the sake of presenting more Hiroyuki Hoshino writing). If industry conditions were the same as in 2006, she'd probably be doing more adaptations. Quote:
AnoHana was part of Aniplex's initiative to push original shows. There's no doubt that the Toradora! staff was selected because of their success on that production. Nevertheless, the goal would've been the same even if the deal had fallen through. Aniplex would've moved on and worked out an original show with a different crew, just as they did with Angel Beats, Sora no Woto, Madoka, Dog Days, Guilty Crown...... BRS and the Aquarion sequel were going to be made even if other writers were appointed. Fractale was Yutaka Yamamoto's thing. |
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You're not really answering my question, TJR.
If there's a wide pool of readily available anime writing talent, and all of these writers are as easily interchangeable as you appear to be arguing, then why is Okada being relied on as much as she is? Obviously, you can't have an anime original work without somebody to write it. Really, you're just speculating that Aniplex would have pushed forward with AnoHana even if Okada wasn't available to write that. I'm not so sure of that. Part of the reason I'm not so sure about that is because Nagai was clearly not pleased with Okada's original script. So why not just hire another writer if the Director is that displeased with the writer's work that he'd want her to go back to the drawing board with it? Maybe it's because there wasn't another writer they could find that they felt was up to this task? Maybe without Mari Okada, AnoHana gets stuck in developmental hell? It's not inconceivable, imo. It's not unheard of for entertainment projects to get stuck in developmental hell. It often happens with Hollywood movie projects, so I don't see any reason why it couldn't happen with an anime project that lacks the desired talent to create/produce it. Quote:
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Heck, we have a clear example of this with Little Busters! There's every reason to believe that Key wanted KyoAni to do it, but the desired KyoAni wasn't available, so Little Busters! was likely pushed back and pushed back until Key finally lost patience with KyoAni and hired JC Staff instead.
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Sorry Triple_R but I'm gonna have to go with TJR on this one.
P.A works wanted to celebrate their 10th birthday with an original anime,this project would have happened regardless, as for Ano Hana i'm sure Nagai would have been willing to work with someone like Koruda like he did on Ano Natsu. As for Aquarion evol she was a late addition the anime was well into pre production when she joined. As for AKB0048 there's this: Quote:
Some directors just do the writing themselves like Kunihiko Ikuhara with Mawaru Penguin Drum and Junichi Sato with Tamayura
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Then please answer the same question I asked TJR:
If there's a wide pool of readily available anime writing talent, and all of these writers are as easily interchangeable as you appear to be arguing, then why is Okada being relied on as much as she is? Quote:
And while some Directors do the writing themselves, that doesn't necessarily mean that all Directors are comfortable with it. Edit: And now it sounds like some of the people on the AKB0048 staff are pissed off with Okada, and for perfectly legit reasons. But in spite of some folks wanting her removed, she's not removed. If these writers were as easily interchangeable as you and TJR seem to be arguing, then why wasn't Okada removed from the AKB0048 staff? Why did Nagai stick with her for AnoHana after being highly critical of her original scrip? Maybe she's not as easily dispensable as you and TJR seem to think she is...
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2012-06-02, 18:09 | Link #53 | |
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Rinne no lagrange,Symphogear,tsuritama,Eureka seven AO,Last Exile FAM,tamayura,penguin drum,Sacred Seven,Phi Brain,Star Driver,Senkō no Night Raid,Occult Academy,Sengoku Collection,Sora no Woto,Guilty Crown,Natsuiro Kiseki,Blood-C,Madoka,Tiger and Bunny,Saint Saya Omega,Dog Days didn't need Okada. She's a writer with a lot of originals to her credit,but there's plenty of originals made without her. Maybe if they give her a gundam show then i'd say they must have run out of other writers edit: Maybe she wasn't removed because human feelings get involved and you don't want to hurt a friend,but for AKB0048,if she wasn't replacable would they even have considered it?
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Okada is a safe choice because she caters well to industry needs. She can appeal to otaku, write original scripts, manage deadlines, and accept a lot of work at once. She also has a reasonable track record. Put together, those are highly marketable characteristics to an industry with an insatiable hunger for output. Her services are in demand, and you're right that the number of anime original writers is limited. However, this doesn't mean that a) an anime original project is dead in the water without her participation b) they don't have other candidates in mind if she declines c) she was necessarily the first choice for every project d) her availability is dictating broader trends, which have to do with insecurity over the viability of manga and light novel sources. As totoum says, there are lots of anime original works being made now, most of which are written by different people. Quote:
My feeling is that if the AnoHana pitch (or any of the other ones they were working on around the same time) had fallen through during negotiations, they would've sought another group and developed a different show. Alternatively, if it was only Okada who didn't want to work on the project, Nagai and Tanaka could potentially have created another concept with someone else (and they did that for Geneon/GENCO). Making original anime hasn't exactly been smooth sailing for Aniplex. For instance, there was a big shakeup on Occult Academy, yet they found a way to cope and make do. Quote:
From the industry perspective, there was never any delay. TBS and KyoAni had their own productions going on, so as far as they were concerned, Little Busters! was never part of their plans for 2010-2012. As for Aniplex, their pitch failed, and they simply moved on. They didn't wait around to change Key's mind, and neither did anyone else whose offers had been rejected. Quote:
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You argued that for Little Busters! there was no delay "from the industry perspective", but even if you're right, there absolutely was a delay from a fan's perspective, as there's little doubt that a Little Busters! anime would have been done years ago if KyoAni was up for doing it at the time. And I'm speaking primarily from a fan's perspective, as I'm a fan myself. As a fan, I think that the anime industry is better off by having more anime original works in recent years, and also as a fan, I recognize the contributions that Okada has made to that. And there's a key point I made that I think you're side-stepping a bit: Sometimes entertainment projects (including anime ones) get held up for a bit when the desired talent (be it a specific animation studio, or maybe a specific writer) is unavailable. Key probably had its heart set on KyoAni, until Key finally gave up on KyoAni and turned to JC Staff, which may have held up Little Busters! for years (from a fan's perspective). Now, who's to say that P.A. Works didn't have its heart set on Okada for handling HSI? Okada has done a lot of work for P.A. Works (just like KyoAni has done a lot of work for Key) and Okada has been involved in the majority of P.A. Works anime original works. Also, nobody here really knows what would have happened with AnoHana, or Hanasaku Iroha, if Okada wasn't available to write them. You don't know that, I don't know that, and totoum doesn't know that. It's at least conceivable that one or both of these shows may have not been made, and could have even been substituted with an adaptation work, without Okada's involvement. And the anime world may have been worse for it, imo. So I don't think it's wrong to recognize the valuable role that Okada has played in the recent rise of anime original works.
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I actually do love AKB0048 quite a bit. The warm, bold artwork and flashy concerts appeal to me, I think the series has a great sense of aesthetics and style. And maybe it's because Urobuchi Gen is less controversial; most people can agree that Gen is an awesome person with awesome stories, wheras Mari Okada's writing is kind of schizophrenic and all over the place. Mari Okada is an enigma, a puzzle that brings people together in a united effort to decrypt it.
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