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Alright let's get this started ok your first point was a very valid point we do not know when egzactly he did destroy drum island and if he had the fruit or not at the time (most likely did though) but then again destroying drum island is not such a great acomplishment if you think about it. the strongest person at the time on drum island was king wapol and well we all saw how good he was. i also think that many other pirates could have destroyed that island aswell for one i think ace or any logia user could have taken that island out by themselves. on to the second fact i even admit myself that yes this was a great acomplishment but it does not specify how he killed the 4th devision captain for all we know it could have been while he was sleeping knowing blackbeard and all.so i guesse we need to know more about this to really know. on the third fact can't really say much, they do posses massive power probably the second best crew ive seen so far.(well i like shanks' crew beter don't know anything about them though) fourth fact black beard shoving Sarquiss' face into the ground and knocking him out was nothing after i saw luffy punch bellamy's temple in with one punch know that's impressize haha. fifth fact nothing to say facts are straight forward. sixth fact i do agree with this but i also have to disagree because at the end of the fight with ace black beard was egzausted and it looked like to me that he had to go all out against ace know that might not mean much because ace is very powerfull but at the same time that does mean that even though he can hurt logia users at the same time he does take physical damage so if your quick and smart enough and land enough hits you can possibly beat him. but then again no one besides his crew mates and ace know his ability so no one will know how to react against it. these are some facts that i would just like to post that say black beard is impressize but not unbeatable |
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2008-02-12, 22:14 | Link #102 | |
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2008-02-12, 23:08 | Link #103 | |
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Regarding your response to my second point, I absolutely agree with you. We really don't know how Blackbeard killed the 4th division commander, as I mentioned in my point, but this fact was also probably made known to us for the simple reason of hyping up Blackbeard. Regarding your response to my third point, we really don't know which pirate has the strongest crew. I think we can agree that Blackbeard's crew is one of the strongest. Even though Shanks and Whitebeard have really large crews, let's be realistic here. Most of the pirates on their crews are just low level goons that are probably on the level of the average marine soldier. Remember when Shanks stepped on board Whitebeard's ship? He made so many of Whitebeard's pirates pass out by his mere presence. The only noteworthy members on Whitebeard's crew are probably the division commanders and that's it. Same thing for Shanks' crew. Ben Beckman, Lucky Roux, Yassop, and Rockstar probably make up most of the strong pirates on Shanks' crew. Regarding your response to my fourth point, yeah Blackbeard shoving Sarquiss' face into the ground was not that impressive considering Bellamy and his crew were all talk. But still, it was for the purpose of building up Blackbeard's character again by showing that he doesn't let any trash talkers tell him what to do. No ordinary pirate can pull off what Blackbeard did to Sarquiss in one hit. The point of that scene was to show that Blackbeard is only interested in catching bigger fish, such as pirates with a bounty of 100 million or more. It showed the difference between the big leagues and the trash talkers. Regarding your response to my sixth point, only in the anime they made Blackbeard look exhausted near the end of the battle. In the manga he looks perfectly fine. I have to disagree with you that he had to go all out against Ace. It was foreshadowed by Shanks that Ace was not ready to confront Blackbeard yet, and he was definitely right. Ace is just not in his league. If Blackbeard really wanted to he could've killed Ace right in the beginning of their fight, but he chose to demonstrate how his power works so that he could explain it to us readers. If you notice carefully in that fight, Blackbeard didn't even go on the offense against Ace. He never even moved from his standing position, for he just let his gravity vortex do the work for him by pulling Ace in and hitting him. He was holding back because even near the end of the fight he still asked Ace to join his crew. Obviously Blackbeard wanted to keep Ace in a stable enough condition to join his crew, but then when Ace declined his offer he decided to put Ace in his place. This fight was not meant to be Blackbeard's serious fight in the series. It was just meant to give us a sample of what Blackbeard is capable of. He has yet to pull all of the tricks out of his sleeve.
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2008-02-13, 21:41 | Link #106 |
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true but i dont see how any one in onepiece is going to be able to beat him with such a cheap fruit even though most likely luffy's going to, i don't see how he will be able to.
quick question if you hurt blackbeard enough he could still die right the pain that he takes when getting hit is totalled on his body right? |
2008-02-13, 23:32 | Link #107 | |
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Blackbeard's logia powers leave him just as vulnerable to physical attacks as a normal human. It's just that he can seemingly take an awesome amount of damge before he falters or falls. Honestlt that is what makes him a true terror, not his fruit (even though it is ridiculously strong, against Logia especially), his sheer will power and physical prowess is quite possible the highest we have seen in the series so far. While Luffy can probably match Blackbeard's conviction, I don't know if he has advanced his body enough to match Blackbeard's. |
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2008-02-14, 16:22 | Link #108 | |
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Also, if you think about it, his darkness fruit really isn't that cheap. If Blackbeard, like other logia users, was able to actually become his element, nobody would be able to touch him. All attacks would pervade right through him and he would be ridiculously cheap if this was the case. I'm glad Oda gave his darkness fruit a fair drawback; it makes Blackbeard a reasonably fair opponent to contend with.
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2008-03-03, 19:43 | Link #110 |
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I would say that out of all the known devil fruits so far, the darkness fruit is the best overall. Sure Blackbeard is susceptible to physical damage but his darkness fruit can nullify the effects of any other devil fruit. It is a lethal weapon against any other devil fruit user. Imagine what he will do with its gravity power when he gets serious in a fight. Furthermore, Blackbeard also did research on the many existing devil fruits until he found the one that was truly meant for him. It must be a really special fruit if he spent many years on Whitebeard's crew looking for it.
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2008-06-06, 01:25 | Link #111 |
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There is something strange that has always bothered me a little bit about Blackbeard's fight with Ace and I was wondering if anyone else caught it as well. In chapter 440 of the manga, on page 16 Blackbeard and his crew are hit by Ace's fire fist attack. After being hit by the attack, Blackbeard is the only crew member that is actually damaged and yet his crew mates appear to be perfectly fine. Normally, you would think that the captain of the crew would not be damaged at all considering he is the strongest out of the group. So, I guess what I am trying to ask here is, how come Blackbeard was the only one that got hurt by Ace's assault while his crew suffered no injuries? How is it that Blackbeard, the strongest member from his crew, got injured from Ace's attack while his weaker crew mates received no injuries whatsoever? Share your thoughts if you are interested.
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2008-06-06, 03:23 | Link #112 | |
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That being said, it is possible that the Yami Yami fruit makes the user far weaker to elemental attacks than previously though (part of the trade-off in regards to nulifying the opponents abilities would be an added weakness to the various Devil Fruit attacks). That being said, I expect that the first answer is probably the more probable. |
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2008-06-07, 08:47 | Link #113 | |
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2008-06-07, 10:32 | Link #114 | |
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2008-06-10, 11:17 | Link #115 |
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i think one reason why luffy isnt ready to come up against blackbeard is because
luffy does not kno what ability blackbeards posseses and even if blackbeard started to use it i dont think he would be able to work it out as quick as ace and counter it luffy isnt all that intelligent |
2008-06-10, 11:50 | Link #116 | |
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Maybe Luffy will lose at the 1st round when fighting Blackbeard, and win at the 2nd round when Luffy came up with a strategy (similar with Croc's battle with Luffy). |
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2008-08-30, 23:36 | Link #117 |
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The fate of Blackbeard's crew has really got me contemplating as of late. I have always thought that they would be destined to fight against the strawhats later on in the story, but recent circumstances have somewhat implied that this may no longer happen.
Since the shichibukai are going to go to war against the Whitebeard pirates, in which I would assume that their crews (if they have one) would also participate, it would mean that Blackbeard's crew would end up battling Whitebeard's crewmates (most likely his division commanders considering how strong they are). We know that Blackbeard's crewmates are not cannon fodder in the least bit, so I can see them causing some big damage towards Whitebeard's division commanders. Now, hypothetically speaking, what if Whitebeard's division commanders do end up prevailing against Blackbeard's crew at the cost of some big losses on their side? Would Blackbeard's crewmates recuperate after their defeat in order to fight the strawhats another day, or would this be the end of their role in the story? I would find it very hard to believe that Blackbeard would treat his crewmates like expendable pawns as a means of exalting himself. Anyways, I would be really interested in hearing people's opinions on what the fate of Blackbeard's crew will be in the aftermath of shichbukai vs. Whitebeard pirates.
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Either way: About Teach: He's probably the most pathetic logia there is. Maybe... The nullification is kinda cool but it's a close range thing. If he gets close to a sound-minded fruit user like that, he's just gonna get punched real hard. I mean, take Luffy. Can you imagine Luffy getting confused and helpless when he's standing RIGHT IN FRONT of the ENEMY and all he ever uses, anyway, are his fists... Nope. I can't. In fact, he'd be glad if Teach does that gravity-Nullification thing on him...probably one-hit-KO him like he did to Binami... EDIT-------------------------------- Hey, just re-read the Chapters with Blackbeard's fight, and it occurs to me that he really is powerful... *shudder* But what I really can't understand is how the darkness prevents him form turning into his element... Although he would have been completely undefeatable had it not been for that... But really: Why exactly can't he turn into his element? Another thing to note... At the end of Chpater 441, The Dialogue box in Page 19 in the last frame states that this fight was the 'trigger' for the greate event to come... I believe this supports the theory that Luffy and Crew are gonna end up being Transported into Impel Down... And Ace will be saved. Maybe in this week's chapter, Zoro really was transported to Impel down by Kuma...maybe...aaaaaaaarg...
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2008-08-31, 08:54 | Link #119 |
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Blackbeard getting damaged by Ace's attack when his crew seemed to be unharmed, after taking a second look, seems to just add a lil humour. The big bad Blackbeard rolling on the ground complaining about being hot after a fire attack. A bit like Luffy's "mystery mountain" and "mystery cave" jokes.
It could be possible for Blackbeard not to be on the front line of the Shichbukai vs Whitebeard Pirates fight. How about Blackbeard protecting Ace from a rescue attempt which might involve some of Whitebeards strongest in a 5 man crew perhaps and maybe (huge maybe) Whitebeard leading the attempt. Not hugely likely but still would make for an awesome fight Old pirate rescuing the next generation of pirate and then say Blackbeard defeating Whitebeard. New beating old. Raleigh falling to Kizaru to save Luffy (may or may not happen). Just a thought again i say not very likely but id enjoying reading it. |
2008-08-31, 20:19 | Link #120 | |
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In the end, I expect if we ever see a fight with Blackbeard's crew it will be similar to a fight that the Strawhats would go through. Specifically, the Blackbeard crew will struggle, but eventually prevail, but a great deal of emphasis will be placed on the crew needing to level up if they wish to fight future battles. (In a previous conversation, I brought up the notion that Blackbeard and Luffy will go through similar trials and tribulations in their quest for One Piece and the title of Pirate King, so I imagine that both will struggle in their upcoming fights (then again, Luffy is already struggling in his current fights) and learn from their mistakes.) Last edited by james0246; 2008-08-31 at 20:43. |
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