2008-01-13, 10:27 | Link #161 | |
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Sorry... do you have a reason as to why? =/ |
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2008-01-13, 11:08 | Link #162 |
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avi2tc only processes video, extract audio directly from the raw. Forgot about an older tool: WMVTIMES.exe. It produces timecodefiles from wmv files. The latest version also fixes that weirdo first timestamp not being zero. Also from its output you could confirm that wmv only stores timestamps with an accuracy of 1ms. Seems like mkv2vfr uses a 'diff' value on its own. On another topic I rewrote my little toy. Spoiler:
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2008-01-29, 01:52 | Link #164 |
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If the assumed framerate of your resulting vfrac stream is higher than the overall average, then yes.
Most common example: if you have a hydrid 119.88fps avi consisting of 23.976fps and 29.97fps sections, then the (time) length of the decimated video will be longer if it is assumed at 23.976fps and shorter if it is assumed at 29.97fps. The higher you assume a constant framerate on a fixed amount of frames, the shorter the lenght will be (duh). Framerate has no meaning on vfrac streams and since framecount is constant, neither does time lenght. |
2008-01-29, 15:39 | Link #165 | ||
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2008-01-29, 16:01 | Link #166 | |
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Not really sure what else, unless you don't mind if the only sections that have a different framerate than the main episode content itself are the OP and ED sequence... There are many of those, like True Tears, Mushi-Uta, Romeo x Juliet, Code-E, Ghost Hound for example (the ones that I remember anyway).
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2008-01-30, 15:47 | Link #167 | |
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Btw, what's an OP/ED sequence? Opening and Ending? Do you also have samples with other mixed base framerates (like 20fps and some other one)? |
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2008-02-02, 15:50 | Link #170 | |
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Pretty much any .wmv is also VFR if you want a "sample" to test hardsubbing on VFRaC sources on. You could also just make a sample yourself from any video source with some simple Avisynth scripting and a handwritten v1 timecodes file.
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However i disagree with your assertion that 120fps is horrible and mkv/vfr is like heaven. I think that both have their advantages and disadvantages. Quote:
When i write stuff on avisynth.org, i want to offer people some choices of doing things certain ways, and give pros and cons of them, unless a particular way is very bad for some reason. That's the reason why both methods are described. |
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2008-02-04, 19:00 | Link #172 | |
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Disadvantages of 120fps AVI: - doesn't support any other framerates than even fractions of 120 (or, well, technically you could have fun finding the smallest common denominator if you really really wanted to) - comparatively large overhead - cannot be easily remuxed - guaranteed confusing, weird and/or completely broken results with a lot of software (as opposed to MKV where you usually at least get a honest "this isn't supported" answer); people just don't expect AVI to be VFR Advantages of 120fps AVI: - hmmm... it works in Windows Media Player without installing Haali's Media Splitter? Obviously 120fps AVI has significant advantages and you would do well to consider using it in today's multimedia environment... Actually, let me skip over all this condescending sarcasm since it's likely to get me banned again (sadly, the mods in this place don't enjoy flamewars like I do). Let me spell the facts out instead: while 120fps AVI might technically "work", there are no (zero, null, none at all) reasons to use it, EVER. Even the Windows Media Player "advantage" is kind of a stretch, considering the extreme popularity of VLC (which despite its obvious problems DOES support MKV and MP4) and the fact that as long as you're not using WMV/WMA in the AVI, it won't work in WMP without installing extra components anyway, and the average user in that case is highly likely to get some kind of codec pack, which in turn is highly likely to install Haali's splitter for him. How is directshowsource("x.mkv", fps=23.976, convertfps=true) any harder to write than avisource("120fps.avi").selectevery(5)? Or if you want to preserve the VFR'ness, how is ffmpegsource() with the timecodes out parameter any trickier than fiddling with the tc_avi package?
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2008-02-05, 07:41 | Link #173 |
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Some encode newbie question, from some one who try to learn to it the right way.
Wich way would be the right to get an VfR timetable form a DVD iso? The fffpegsource() one, after riping the videostream seperatly (and later remurxin with audio) ? Any tips on the way? On the 120fps xvid encode: I think you would put the decoding PC to stress near an h.264 encode because of the framerate, why not use the better compresion of this codec and the vfr-bilty of mkv for an better quality release and xvid cfr 29.97 or 23.976 for an Standealoneplayer compatible lq encode. I dont know if a 120 fps encode is SPcompatible anyway, never tried it. |
2008-02-05, 08:31 | Link #174 | |
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In other words, you will need other means to turn a DVD source into VFR (e.g. via yatta). |
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2008-02-05, 09:37 | Link #175 | |
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Read the readme for details. Note, it might require some manual tweaking, especially if there are some sections it detects as 60 fps instead of 30.
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2008-02-05, 10:09 | Link #176 | |
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I'd go with what Mentar suggested, or if you don't feel like messing around with YATTA and don't mind a bit of manual work, you can always do it yourself. For example (note, I don't have access to AviSynth at the moment, so the syntax of some functions will most likely be incorrect and/or missing): Code:
MPEG2Source("source.d2v") TFM() NoDec = last TDecimate() AssumeFPS(23.976) Trim(NoDec,0,2000).AssumeFPS(23.976)+Trim(1600,0) Code:
#timecodes format v1 Assume 23.976000 0,2000,29.970000
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2008-02-05, 12:09 | Link #177 |
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Martino my first try on VFR encoding whould be a Anime you did for Ayu, Baccano! for a german fansubb. In the hoppe that i can release a nicer h264 encode with DVDraws this time.
I did it in with Xvid @29.976 fps because of the lowbitrate this piece of s...(only bitrate vice) work needs, even after filtering, including sharpening it like mad ,in a lossless export maraton (let me not lie but something like 14+ hours on my second rig for the lagarith), even learned to use share to get a littel better VfR mp4 raw. I encoded at this frame rate because i saw some ugly trembling at my first 23.976 fps encode in camaraswings/moving (whats the right spelling?) and action scenes. Baccano! was my first real released encode, i never heared some thing like "VFR for Fansub Encoders", but i thought this anime has to be real VfR (not only openning and ending) and the 29.97 encode was smoother overall in my eyes. The only one who would later have trouble wit hthis Decision whould be the typseter, me anyway, doing frame by frame typing on some moving shields. I got some talking behind my back frome some "more experienced" german fansub encoders, because my frist xvid encode in the scene was xvid 29.97fps 704*400 ( i heard some madman whispering over 16 bit is his relegion and why it is the rightway. (theFluff () around 130mb, beause "the onlyright way to do xvid fansub encodes whould be 23.976 fps, 704*396 around 170 mbs". I hope i did the right thing with my little, but growing knowlege... At this time i wondered why Martino was only doing his h264 encode in MKV for this Anime, and get some leachers angry because they dont got their loved xvid version. Now i have the presumption, that youre encode could be VFR. I would reload one of ure TVraw encodes and one of the DVD ones to look in to it in the next days. anyway ( I have to reload because of Burglar, but thats another story) Enough OT and is too moch mouch of my bad english grama anyway... Last edited by max2k; 2008-02-05 at 12:31. |
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Typical mistakes made by TIVTC (but also by other forms of automatic VFR detection): o Wild "flip-flopping around" framerates within normal 23.976 content (false positives) o Misconstruing mostly-static scenes as VFR parts (false positives again) o Tagging credits as unusable 60fps (what Quarkboy mentioned) o Incorrect placement of "framerate change" markers, leading to strange jerk-slowdowns/speedups at the wrong spots Now I don't want to put this filter down completely, it does what can be done automatically, about as good as I've seen it so far. But unfortunately, for hi-quality releases, it simply isn't REMOTELY enough. Also, since the output timecode file is basically always an erroneous mess, you are pretty much locked in to a pure MKV release - a proper avs scripting where you can create a correct CFR raw file by decimating the manually-adjusted 29.97 fps portions is not possible anymore, you need to use fps-changing tricks for that. If you go down this path, be aware that you're only using very lightweight trickery, this is _not_ proper VFR encoding. Instead, if you REALLY want to learn it properly, grab yourself a tutor and learn yatta. |
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directshowsource("x.mkv", fps=23.976, convertfps=false) or ffmpegsource("x.mkv") and encoding straight to XviD/DivX. It's not trivial to explain/understand what's going on in these cases. But i didn't came here to start arguments like this. I just wanted to complement for the guide and get some samples with subs (which i received from someone). |
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