[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 8 Twilight of the golden witch

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by Mikachiru

The only absolute truth we have is "George is fat".

Lol. Well he's skinny in the PS3 game and the cover art for Episode 8. I wonder? It's seems like it's becoming increasingly more likely that Svelte George is Kanon.

[AuraTwilight]

Originally Posted by Kapateen

Ah, I see. Thank you for your answers, you two.

Spoiler for Culprits:

Who would have known it would be Battler's family?

Eh, it would make sense that Kyrie and Rudolf would do it, but Battler is all like "I don't want to suspect all the people I love." I guess it was just an act to make him look innocent.

Except

Spoiler for Culprits:

It's probably not, and the only proof we have is Bernkastel's stories, and she's less than trustworthy. Also, reds ensure Battler's innocence.

[MeoTwister5]

Summary for today. Bern is about to get gangbanged (and no not that kind)

Spoiler for Summary:

Everyone vs. Bernkastel (Fuck you Bern!)
- The blue beam exits his body and begins to surround Ange. Ange is on her knees beside her brother's body. Bern calls checkmate.
- Ange begins to remember her wish. Of how she let go of that wish and just wanted the truth. She remembers the despair she felt. She remembers the words of how, with the power of the heart inside, you can work for your hope. Her hope that someone, perhaps Battler, might have survived.
- Power surges through Ange's hands. Battler begins to cough. Bern is shocked. Battler slowly gets back up. BATTLER LIVES AGAIN. Ange however remains seated and looking down at the ground where Battler lay.
- Bern declares in red that Battler is dead. Ange silently says Battler is alive. Bern says that the red truth declares Battler dead. Bern insists this is impossible.
- Ange and Battler say that by sheer force of will and hope in the miracle, Battler remains alive (that and in reality, Battler WAS saved and kept alive by Hachijou, so yes he really is alive beyond 1986).
- Bern rages. Battler says that the miracle happens because people believed in it. In red she screams that such an existence (the miracle) is impossible. She launches attacks at Battler and Ange.
- BEATO APPEARS AND STABS THE BLUE CREATURE. Battler and Beato are back to back (at least that's how it should be goddammit). Bern can hardly believe it. In red she says that she (Beato) has been declared dead. Ange mocks her red truth, to which Bern says in red that the red truth is absolute. The red truth cannot be overturned by anyone.
- Ange says that even if Bern declares the red to be true everywhere, as long as she does not believe her, the red will never be absolute for her.
- IN ONE WORD, ALL THE CHARACTERS SIMULTANEOUSLY ARRIVE IN THE METALIBRARY KEY ROOM. Family, metacharacters, servants etc. Everyone surrounds Bern. Ange says as long as her hope in their lives exist, they will always be alive.
- Erika says Ange should be a powerless witch who is tied to the past. Ange declares herself the witch successor. Maria congratulates her.
- Bern refuses to accept this. Ange says they will live on no matter how many times Bern kills them with the red. THAT, Ange says, is her power.
- Everyone begins to glow a bright gold that centers on Ange forming a huge eagle. Battler says the eagle of the Ushiromiyas will never fall.
- The eagle begins to attack. Bern desperately runs and tries to evade while hurling red blades at the defenders.
- The red blades, as follows: Ushiromiya Jessica is dead. Ushiromiya Krauss is dead. Ushiromiya Natsuhi is dead. Nothing. Ange's golden barrier protects everyone. Bern cannot understand how the golden truth could override the red truth.
- Ange says the golden truth is the power of the heart. It allows you to transcend the red and blue truths. Battler calls checkmate. Bern refuses to submit.
- Finally cornered, the golden eagle swallows Bern as it rises up through the roof, destroying it, and comes crashing down. A black cat is thrown to the floor. Erika runs up to the corpse of her master. Bern is barely breathing. Ange thanks Beato for her help but teases her, who promptly disappears to Battler's side and they poke fun at each other.
- Sakutaro and Mammon gather around Ange to congratulate her. Everyone comes to her and they celebrate.
- Featherine descends from her perch and congratulates their victory. She will give her her blessing. She thanks her for not killing Bern, sayinh she'd be bored without her cat. Ange says she cannot forgive her for killing Lambda. Featherine says that why not use her power to revive Lambda. Beato says Lambda should have been revived somewhere else.
- Featherine says she already brought her back. To Battler, she says he should prepare the final ceremony of the game. She says she will concede to them.
- The room goes solemn. Battler takes the key and gives it to Ange. As she takes the key, two large doors appear. She asks if there's a hint to which door she must take. Battler says the hint was already given before. She should just choose on what she thinks is right. She says she is happy she can finally move on in this way.
- Battler tells her to choose carefully. Featherine says this will be Ange's triumphant return to the future where she belongs. Beato gives Ange something with her left hand (the text for the left hand is colored purple...). She tells Ange to look carefully. She extends her index finger from her hand on Ange's hand and points at the sky. Beato waves her hand around in different directions.
- Ange cannot follow her motions. Beato stops, and eventually she opens her closed right hand (the text for right hand is also in purple). Inside, she drops a candy for Ange.
- Battler asks Ange to choose now: Is this a trick, or is it magic? Ange says she now knows.
- Ange, for her future, must now choose.

Spoiler for Red Text:

- Bern: Battler is dead.
- Bern: the red truth declares Battler dead.
- Bern: such an existence (the miracle) is impossible.
- Bern: she (Beato) has been declared dead.
- Bern: the red truth is absolute. The red truth cannot be overturned by anyone.
- Bern: Ushiromiya Jessica is dead. Ushiromiya Krauss is dead. Ushiromiya Natsuhi is dead.

Blog updated. What will Ange choose?

[AuraTwilight]

So are you letting us choose which one you summarize first? If so, do whichever's shorter.

[Darkpierrot]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Summary for today. Bern is about to get gangbanged (and no not that kind)

Spoiler for Summary:

Everyone vs. Bernkastel (Fuck you Bern!)
- The blue beam exits his body and begins to surround Ange. Ange is on her knees beside her brother's body. Bern calls checkmate.
- Ange begins to remember her wish. Of how she let go of that wish and just wanted the truth. She remembers the despair she felt. She remembers the words of how, with the power of the heart inside, you can work for your hope. Her hope that someone, perhaps Battler, might have survived.
- Power surges through Ange's hands. Battler begins to cough. Bern is shocked. Battler slowly gets back up. BATTLER LIVES AGAIN. Ange however remains seated and looking down at the ground where Battler lay.
- Bern declares in red that Battler is dead. Ange silently says Battler is alive. Bern says that the red truth declares Battler dead. Bern insists this is impossible.
- Ange and Battler say that by sheer force of will and hope in the miracle, Battler remains alive (that and in reality, Battler WAS saved and kept alive by Hachijou, so yes he really is alive beyond 1986).
- Bern rages. Battler says that the miracle happens because people believed in it. In red she screams that such an existence (the miracle) is impossible. She launches attacks at Battler and Ange.
- BEATO APPEARS AND STABS THE BLUE CREATURE. Battler and Beato are back to back (at least that's how it should be goddammit). Bern can hardly believe it. In red she says that she (Beato) has been declared dead. Ange mocks her red truth, to which Bern says in red that the red truth is absolute. The red truth cannot be overturned by anyone.
- Ange says that even if Bern declares the red to be true everywhere, as long as she does not believe her, the red will never be absolute for her.
- IN ONE WORD, ALL THE CHARACTERS SIMULTANEOUSLY ARRIVE IN THE METALIBRARY KEY ROOM. Family, metacharacters, servants etc. Everyone surrounds Bern. Ange says as long as her hope in their lives exist, they will always be alive.
- Erika says Ange should be a powerless witch who is tied to the past. Ange declares herself the witch successor. Maria congratulates her.
- Bern refuses to accept this. Ange says they will live on no matter how many times Bern kills them with the red. THAT, Ange says, is her power.
- Everyone begins to glow a bright gold that centers on Ange forming a huge eagle. Battler says the eagle of the Ushiromiyas will never fall.
- The eagle begins to attack. Bern desperately runs and tries to evade while hurling red blades at the defenders.
- The red blades, as follows: Ushiromiya Jessica is dead. Ushiromiya Krauss is dead. Ushiromiya Natsuhi is dead. Nothing. Ange's golden barrier protects everyone. Bern cannot understand how the golden truth could override the red truth.
- Ange says the golden truth is the power of the heart. It allows you to transcend the red and blue truths. Battler calls checkmate. Bern refuses to submit.
- Finally cornered, the golden eagle swallows Bern as it rises up through the roof, destroying it, and comes crashing down. A black cat is thrown to the floor. Erika runs up to the corpse of her master. Bern is barely breathing. Ange thanks Beato for her help but teases her, who promptly disappears to Battler's side and they poke fun at each other.
- Sakutaro and Mammon gather around Ange to congratulate her. Everyone comes to her and they celebrate.
- Featherine descends from her perch and congratulates their victory. She will give her her blessing. She thanks her for not killing Bern, sayinh she'd be bored without her cat. Ange says she cannot forgive her for killing Lambda. Featherine says that why not use her power to revive Lambda. Beato says Lambda should have been revived somewhere else.
- Featherine says she already brought her back. To Battler, she says he should prepare the final ceremony of the game. She says she will concede to them.
- The room goes solemn. Battler takes the key and gives it to Ange. As she takes the key, two large doors appear. She asks if there's a hint to which door she must take. Battler says the hint was already given before. She should just choose on what she thinks is right. She says she is happy she can finally move on in this way.
- Battler tells her to choose carefully. Featherine says this will be Ange's triumphant return to the future where she belongs. Beato gives Ange something with her left hand (the text for the left hand is colored purple...). She tells Ange to look carefully. She extends her index finger from her hand on Ange's hand and points at the sky. Beato waves her hand around in different directions.
- Ange cannot follow her motions. Beato stops, and eventually she opens her closed right hand (the text for right hand is also in purple). Inside, she drops a candy for Ange.
- Battler asks Ange to choose now: Is this a trick, or is it magic? Ange says she now knows.
- Ange, for her future, must now choose.

Spoiler for Red Text:

- Bern: Battler is dead.
- Bern: the red truth declares Battler dead.
- Bern: such an existence (the miracle) is impossible.
- Bern: she (Beato) has been declared dead.
- Bern: the red truth is absolute. The red truth cannot be overturned by anyone.
- Bern: Ushiromiya Jessica is dead. Ushiromiya Krauss is dead. Ushiromiya Natsuhi is dead.

Blog updated. What will Ange choose?

Thanks for the summary meotwister.......

It really intrigues me the relationship between Bern and Lambda...

[Number1-Syaoran-Fan]

I wonder how Bern can declare in red that Battler is dead when he isn't. I mean, he is alive with hachijou correct?

[Mikachiru]

So... What does the paragraph thing before the choices say? ^^;

[AuraTwilight]

Originally Posted by Number1-Syaoran-Fan

I wonder how Bern can declare in red that Battler is dead when he isn't. I mean, he is alive with hachijou correct?

Spoiler for Spoiler:

"Battler" is dead, because he lost his memories and became Toya. Which I suppose means that personality death theory is confirmed as valid.
That, and she could just be going "Battler is dead....(in the games)"

[Mcjon01]

Originally Posted by Mikachiru

So... What does the paragraph thing before the choices say? ^^;

The witch shows you her empty left hand, makes a fist, then points and waves her arms around. Then when she opens her right hand there's candy in it. Is it magic? Is it a trick?

Something like that, I don't really do translations.

[Ayu-ayu]

The witch of miracles declares certainty and is fought with using a miracle... I'm still trying to work that out, myself. I've had the feeling she "needs" to do this in order to have miracles in the first place, hence the later talk of who "gets to play the bad guy" during the Tea Party.

Golden Truth wins out over others because that's what best pleases the Audience-Witch (but never the detectives). I hope that's not what R07 is saying here, lol.

Now, what to make of the choice to use purple text reappearing in the final choice...?

[Kylon99]

Originally Posted by Darkpierrot

It really intrigues me the relationship between Bern and Lambda...

If Bern was supposedly a cat, I imagined that Lambda must be that annoying kid that comes over to Hachijou's place to play and chases the cat around wanting to hug it to death.

Like Elmyra Duff. "I want to hug you and squeeze you into itty-bitty pieces!"

Unfortunately, they said that Hachijou Ikuko's residence is pretty remote or isolated... and I just made it all up anyways...

[Darkpierrot]

Originally Posted by Kylon99

If Bern was supposedly a cat, I imagined that Lambda must be that annoying kid that comes over to Hachijou's place to play and chases the cat around wanting to hug it to death.

Like Elmyra Duff. "I want to hug you and squeeze you into itty-bitty pieces!"

Unfortunately, they said that Hachijou Ikuko's residence is pretty remote or isolated... and I just made it all up anyways...

No. You get me wrong

Bern loves also lambdadelta
but in some way she hate her

[haguruma]

Originally Posted by Number1-Syaoran-Fan

I wonder how Bern can declare in red that Battler is dead when he isn't. I mean, he is alive with hachijou correct?

Aura already started explaining it and during the ????:

Spoiler for EP8 ????:

Ange actually says that she now understands how the witch was able to pronounce her brother dead in red during their last battle, when Hachijô Tôya tells her how he actually is Tôya now and has always been afraid of that "unknown person" called Battler to take over.
When Battler lost his memory Battler stopped existing and Tôya was such a strong personality after that, that there was no longer any need for Battler.

So yes, personality death is proven to be a case of death

[Exether]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

So are you letting us choose which one you summarize first? If so, do whichever's shorter.

If so, I'd rather have the bad ending first. Otherwise I'd end up not read it... The same way I try to avoid bad endings at all cost whenever I'm reading a visual novel.

And thanks for the summaries MeoTwister5!

[Number1-Syaoran-Fan]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

So are you letting us choose which one you summarize first? If so, do whichever's shorter.

Speaking of length, how does EP8 compare in terms of the other episodes' lengths?

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by Number1-Syaoran-Fan

Speaking of length, how does EP8 compare in terms of the other episodes' lengths?

I actually just read it, and it was so fast-paced and engaging that it doesn't even matter.

[immblueversion]

So we have a "magic ending" and a "trick ending."

Spoiler for EP8:

Turns out they only apply to the main portion of EP8, and in no way affect the "Tea Party" or the "????". For those who haven't seen them, I'll let MeoTwister5 tell you about them. Don't want to steal his thunder. Hell, I hardly have any idea what's going on, so I couldn't even come close to stealing his thunder...

Also, the trick ending ends with a cast list containing every character who appears in series, including those who didn't appear in EP8.

[AuraTwilight]

Though I'm pretty sure that...

Spoiler for EP8:

The Tea Party (and thus the ????) are only unlocked when you get the better ending.

[MeoTwister5]

I already knew in advance which one was the bad end so I'll do that first later.

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Though I'm pretty sure that...

Spoiler for EP8:

The Tea Party (and thus the ????) are only unlocked when you get the better ending.

Well, I did the "better ending" first.