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saravis · 2007-05-03, 14:56

What was the one haunted love story movie long ago, where the guy goes to the resort and falls in love with a ghost. "Sex" in that was her running her body through him.(literally) Maybe it was something like that.

Goshin · 2007-05-03, 15:06

good question... I too have wondered about this since the apearance of Isshin. This leads to the possibility that they are not really his kids... maybe members of the royal family. maybe he is guard to ichigo who is king...

I think all gigai has the ability to reproduce or at least of the nessaracy body parts for it, but it is most likely forbidenn to mate with humans with gigai
In my Opinion Isshin fell in love with this woman and wanted to be with her his inappropriate interaction led to his banishment. and uhrara is the one who provided him with the intracable gigai in order to hide from SS

Adam E · 2007-05-03, 18:11

I never really cared about the specifics of the implications brought up by Isshin being a Shinigami and reproducing with what we assume is a human. I prefer to just take it at face value that Shinigami and humans can be together.

Alea Misa · 2007-05-03, 18:33

Spoiler for Spoiler:

CeDeR · 2007-05-03, 18:42

hahaha i love how u ppl create weird theories about every lil thing

Makashi_Menace · 2007-05-04, 02:53

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Originally Posted by Adam E

I never really cared about the specifics of the implications brought up by Isshin being a Shinigami and reproducing with what we assume is a human. I prefer to just take it at face value that Shinigami and humans can be together.

LOL I understand what you mean...

However, if we were to take everything "at face value", then more than 75% of the threads in this forum wouldn't have exisited.

Thewanderer · 2007-05-04, 05:31

I have a theory. It started a few episodes ago when Ichigo's real body was injured because of what his soul went through.

What if gigais are like that? Injuries would transfer to the gigais, souls would be able to eat through their gigais, and they'd be able to reproduce through the gigais as well.

I wouldn't doubt that if this is true, shinigami and humans can have kids together(the gigai would just "be there")

Goshin · 2007-05-04, 21:50

what the big deal with dying anyways if you can come back with gigai and continue living normal life.?

Makashi_Menace · 2007-05-04, 23:41

If you are a normal human and you die, you'd probably end up as a commoner in SS with no access to a gigai, so yes, it still IS a big deal when you die.

If you are a shinigami (or whatever spirit being from SS), dying still matters, as that would mean that your soul would be reincarnated and your very identity would be erased.

Thewanderer · 2007-05-04, 23:44

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Originally Posted by Goshin

what the big deal with dying anyways if you can come back with gigai and continue living normal life.?

Because souls can't normally come back, I guess. Or maybe gigais are rare/hard to make/expensive.

drakenblader · 2007-05-05, 00:57

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Originally Posted by hdx514

when in doubt check the bios

height: isshin 186 cm, kaien 183 cm
weight: isshin 80 kg, kaien 68 kg
dob: isshin 10th dec., kaien 27th oct.

the answer is NO

Bios can't always be trusted!!!lol sorry.
Its just my opinion lol because some anime bio's are done randomly...

and its jsut my opinion ^_^

Chavenz · 2007-05-05, 01:38

i just re-read ch188, and i apologised if this has been mentioned before, but Isshin knows about Aizen, Arrancars and even the Hougyoku. perhaps he was in the same division as Urahara?

Azure King · 2007-05-05, 06:25

Spoiler for My theory:

ILikeSquiReLz · 2007-05-29, 10:23

I was watching some old episodes this weekend and I came across something. I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but when Ichigo was confronting Byakuya on the bridge of the repentance in the SS arc. Ukitake mentioned something interesting about Ichigo looking very similar to someone and Byakuya quickly responded and said something along the lines of he is nobody and has no relations to the man on you're mind, my superior. Could he possibly be talking about Isshin?

The most interesting thing about this is who ever they were referring to must have been incredibly powerful since the look on Ukitake's face was priceless.

I have read this entire thread and I don’t recall hearing this from anyone. I don’t read the manga because I like being surprised in the anime so I’m not sure if this is cannon or not. Maybe a manga reader can confirm this for me. When I get home I will post the Episode # with time frame.

willynilly · 2007-05-29, 12:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILikeSquiReLz

I was watching some old episodes this weekend and I came across something. I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but when Ichigo was confronting Byakuya on the bridge of the repentance in the SS arc. Ukitake mentioned something interesting about Ichigo looking very similar to someone and Byakuya quickly responded and said something along the lines of he is nobody and has no relations to the man on you're mind, my superior. Could he possibly be talking about Isshin?

The most interesting thing about this is who ever they were referring to must have been incredibly powerful since the look on Ukitake's face was priceless.

I have read this entire thread and I don’t recall hearing this from anyone. I don’t read the manga because I like being surprised in the anime so I’m not sure if this is cannon or not. Maybe a manga reader can confirm this for me. When I get home I will post the Episode # with time frame.

Actually they were reffering to Kaien, you know the shinigami Rukia killed that was possesed by a hollow. He looks exactly like Ichigo except his hair is black.

2H-Dragon · 2007-05-29, 13:04

Don't know if this is discussed yet, but what's the deal with Isshin in the start of bleach. How did such character with note worthy power get rolled by that Hollow in the start of bleach? Or is it just a plot hole?

I think Isshin is from the royal guard if anything.

ILikeSquiReLz · 2007-05-29, 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by willynilly

Actually they were reffering to Kaien, you know the shinigami Rukia killed that was possesed by a hollow. He looks exactly like Ichigo except his hair is black.

I thought about that as well. But it can't be, by the time he died Byakuya was already a captain and Kaien was a vice captain. Byakuya stated this person Ukitake was thinking about was his superior.

ILikeSquiReLz · 2007-05-30, 00:33

It was Ep 41 at 17:49

ashesatdusk · 2007-05-30, 10:36

I personally think theirs a bit too much of emphasis put on Kaien, I think he's an important figure in Rukia's life, but I don't think that means he's reincarnated, or still alive. The alive thing just seems especially ludicrous, because the death of Kaien wasn't just witnessed, they actually had his body etc.

Isshin is an interesting figure, he's very well knowledged about the SS, and his relationship with Urahara, and Ishida's father is interesting.... This is just a theory, but no one knows when Aizen's plots existed, but most of the people who seem to have knowledge of the plot hint that his plot has existed for several years. Their is a possibility he walked out of the SS around the same time the Viazards disassociated them selves with SS. Though to little information exists, the main reason is the Viazards are aware of Aizen's plot, and it seems like them have been even before the Shinigami had knowledge, and it seems to be hinted that Isshin had prior knowledge as well (as well as Urahara). It may be the discovery of Aizen's plans, may have caused groups of shinigami's to move. The one thing thats odd (other than the fact this is an anime/manga and the author can be absurd)... The presence of the Viazard means there are counting Ishhin, Yoruichi, Ichigo and Urahara 11 or 12 Captain Class Shingami in one area.

zanar · 2007-05-31, 16:30

I was just reading this thread and I was wondering if it's possible that Isshin did to Urahara what Ichigo did to Rukia? That is, taking his abilities. I mean, if this is so, then Urahara could have trained Isshin himself, which then explains why the other shinigami don't know who he is. After all, having history repeat itself isn't uncommon in animes. Naruto, for example, has Team 7 following the footsteps of the Sannin.

The only problem about this theory is the captain's coat Isshin had on his shoulder though. But then again, maybe Urahara gave it to him. We haven't seen Urahara wearing his coat before.

(p.s. this is my first post. please don't be too harsh if my theory is way off the mark!

)

2007-05-03, 18:33	Link #84
Alea Misa Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 37	Spoiler for Spoiler: ....Some Shinigami's were once "human." Reproducing isn't something like "God" creation, its just creating a phyiscal vessel for the soul. Last edited by Alea Misa; 2007-05-18 at 17:46.

2007-05-04, 05:31	Link #87
Thewanderer Hiyori Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Columbus, Ohio Age: 42	I have a theory. It started a few episodes ago when Ichigo's real body was injured because of what his soul went through. What if gigais are like that? Injuries would transfer to the gigais, souls would be able to eat through their gigais, and they'd be able to reproduce through the gigais as well. I wouldn't doubt that if this is true, shinigami and humans can have kids together(the gigai would just "be there") __________________

2007-05-05, 06:25	Link #93
Azure King Snr Spammer Join Date: Sep 2006	Spoiler for My theory: i guess i might put in my 2 cents in my theory Kurosaki Isshin was once a captain in SS (my guess hes a captain because he got that white captain's coat on his left shoulder) , prehaps having close ties with the research department (Urahara), Isshin, Urahara and Aizen was working on Top sercet research on developing shinigami with hollow powers prehap the early stage of "Vizard" and "Arrancar", finding another form of power other then Bankai. Something happen with the research and the 13 seats (i think its the 13 seats correct me if i'm wrong) needed an escape goat.. Isshin or something happen to Isshin with the research The koolest thing i reakon is the the Vizard (present time) was once Isshin SS group and was involve with the research and now turned into Shinigami with hallow powers (Vizard) ... .. well the ones who lived through the "research" (similar to bounto arc).. the Vizard was cast aside by SS.. Isshin is also an Vizard Isshin powers was sealed (either by himself or SS) and sent/left for the real world, in which he fall in love with ichigo mother Parhap again.. .. Ichigo always had an hallow ego inside of him but only awaken him when he awaken his own shinigami powers at Urahara place Having a father who is a captain class and having hallow reistsu, this could explain for ichigo raw power and the rest is history as they say Last edited by Azure King; 2007-05-05 at 11:27. Reason: more things came to mind

2007-05-29, 10:23	Link #94
ILikeSquiReLz <ˆ>(`;´)<ˆ> Join Date: Sep 2004	I was watching some old episodes this weekend and I came across something. I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but when Ichigo was confronting Byakuya on the bridge of the repentance in the SS arc. Ukitake mentioned something interesting about Ichigo looking very similar to someone and Byakuya quickly responded and said something along the lines of he is nobody and has no relations to the man on you're mind, my superior. Could he possibly be talking about Isshin? The most interesting thing about this is who ever they were referring to must have been incredibly powerful since the look on Ukitake's face was priceless. I have read this entire thread and I don’t recall hearing this from anyone. I don’t read the manga because I like being surprised in the anime so I’m not sure if this is cannon or not. Maybe a manga reader can confirm this for me. When I get home I will post the Episode # with time frame. Last edited by ILikeSquiReLz; 2007-05-29 at 10:39.

2007-05-30, 10:36	Link #99
ashesatdusk Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: La La Land	I personally think theirs a bit too much of emphasis put on Kaien, I think he's an important figure in Rukia's life, but I don't think that means he's reincarnated, or still alive. The alive thing just seems especially ludicrous, because the death of Kaien wasn't just witnessed, they actually had his body etc. Isshin is an interesting figure, he's very well knowledged about the SS, and his relationship with Urahara, and Ishida's father is interesting.... This is just a theory, but no one knows when Aizen's plots existed, but most of the people who seem to have knowledge of the plot hint that his plot has existed for several years. Their is a possibility he walked out of the SS around the same time the Viazards disassociated them selves with SS. Though to little information exists, the main reason is the Viazards are aware of Aizen's plot, and it seems like them have been even before the Shinigami had knowledge, and it seems to be hinted that Isshin had prior knowledge as well (as well as Urahara). It may be the discovery of Aizen's plans, may have caused groups of shinigami's to move. The one thing thats odd (other than the fact this is an anime/manga and the author can be absurd)... The presence of the Viazard means there are counting Ishhin, Yoruichi, Ichigo and Urahara 11 or 12 Captain Class Shingami in one area. __________________ Sig never posted, because the mods would remove it for exceeding the size limit.

2007-05-03, 14:56	Link #81
saravis Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	What was the one haunted love story movie long ago, where the guy goes to the resort and falls in love with a ghost. "Sex" in that was her running her body through him.(literally) Maybe it was something like that.

2007-05-03, 15:06	Link #82
Goshin Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: somehwre between this world and the next	good question... I too have wondered about this since the apearance of Isshin. This leads to the possibility that they are not really his kids... maybe members of the royal family. maybe he is guard to ichigo who is king... I think all gigai has the ability to reproduce or at least of the nessaracy body parts for it, but it is most likely forbidenn to mate with humans with gigai In my Opinion Isshin fell in love with this woman and wanted to be with her his inappropriate interaction led to his banishment. and uhrara is the one who provided him with the intracable gigai in order to hide from SS

2007-05-03, 18:11	Link #83
Adam E Riskbreaker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Canada Age: 37	I never really cared about the specifics of the implications brought up by Isshin being a Shinigami and reproducing with what we assume is a human. I prefer to just take it at face value that Shinigami and humans can be together.

2007-05-03, 18:42	Link #85
CeDeR Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Usa	hahaha i love how u ppl create weird theories about every lil thing

2007-05-04, 21:50	Link #88
Goshin Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: somehwre between this world and the next	what the big deal with dying anyways if you can come back with gigai and continue living normal life.?

2007-05-04, 23:41	Link #89
Makashi_Menace Arigato... Sayonara... Join Date: Apr 2007	If you are a normal human and you die, you'd probably end up as a commoner in SS with no access to a gigai, so yes, it still IS a big deal when you die. If you are a shinigami (or whatever spirit being from SS), dying still matters, as that would mean that your soul would be reincarnated and your very identity would be erased.

2007-05-05, 01:38	Link #92
Chavenz CHA-LA! HEAD-CHA-LA! Join Date: Sep 2006	i just re-read ch188, and i apologised if this has been mentioned before, but Isshin knows about Aizen, Arrancars and even the Hougyoku. perhaps he was in the same division as Urahara?

2007-05-29, 13:04	Link #96
2H-Dragon Silent Warrior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Netherlands Age: 38	Don't know if this is discussed yet, but what's the deal with Isshin in the start of bleach. How did such character with note worthy power get rolled by that Hollow in the start of bleach? Or is it just a plot hole? I think Isshin is from the royal guard if anything.

2007-05-30, 00:33	Link #98
ILikeSquiReLz <ˆ>(`;´)<ˆ> Join Date: Sep 2004	It was Ep 41 at 17:49

2007-05-31, 16:30	Link #100
zanar Member Join Date: May 2007	I was just reading this thread and I was wondering if it's possible that Isshin did to Urahara what Ichigo did to Rukia? That is, taking his abilities. I mean, if this is so, then Urahara could have trained Isshin himself, which then explains why the other shinigami don't know who he is. After all, having history repeat itself isn't uncommon in animes. Naruto, for example, has Team 7 following the footsteps of the Sannin. The only problem about this theory is the captain's coat Isshin had on his shoulder though. But then again, maybe Urahara gave it to him. We haven't seen Urahara wearing his coat before. (p.s. this is my first post. please don't be too harsh if my theory is way off the mark!)