2009-08-29, 10:42 | Link #81 | |
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Honestly, folks, any reading of Novel 2 that doesn't presuppose that Kyon is constantly lying to himself has to reach the conclusion that at this point, Kyon doesn't like Haruhi. You simply don't think this way about people that you like; not constantly, at least.
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2009-08-29, 11:01 | Link #85 | ||
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I personally prefer this interpretation of his character over the idea that he's almost constantly lying to himself. But, I won't deny that the "constantly lying to himself" theory is more popular within the Haruhi fandom. I respect that it's the dominant theory even if I don't quite buy into it myself. Quote:
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2009-08-29, 12:19 | Link #87 | |
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2009-08-29, 12:32 | Link #88 | |
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Yes, Kyon's a male tsundere. That describes his relationship with Haruhi perfectly, imo. Outside of his relations with Haruhi, he's a pretty regular guy.
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2009-08-29, 12:39 | Link #90 |
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I know. I was just making sure you knew that I was in complete agreement with you.
I also want to add that the anime does an awesome job (thus far) of softening both Haruhi and Kyon in Sighs. They're way more likable (or, well, less unlikeable, at least) in the anime version of the story than in the novel. I have pretty much no problem whatsoever with how Kyon has come across in this year's episodes 10 through 12.
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2009-08-29, 12:49 | Link #92 | |
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If they go with four or less episodes though, or with a movie... Of course this is all presuming that they will animate Disappearance at some point. I honestly still have doubts about that...
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2009-08-29, 14:34 | Link #93 | |
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Seeing that lies, is not that hard to conclude he also lies about Haruhi. I do think you hate/love explanation fit better, however. There is more line of him being harsh to Haruhi then to him being uninterested about weird stuff. |
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As for missing the context... Okay, I didn't have time to go into detail earlier, but... He's not saying she's "dumb" (I assume you mean specifically "ignorant") or "brainless" ("not intelligent") here. He's saying she doesn't think. This is what I mean by context. She is very obviously in this scene (the infamous "spill hot tea on Kyon scene" as you put it) NOT thinking, specifically about the repercussions. It would not make sense for him to call her dumb or brainless in this scene, but stupid? Absolutely. Quote:
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Of course maybe it's just Kyon (and Yuki) acknowledging Haruhi's questionable continuity when it comes to actually obeying the laws of physics... On the second one, I don't see how anyone can read this as Kyon maliciously wishing for Haruhi to be terrified. Going back to one of the ones above, Haruhi does not acknowledge the repercussions of her actions at all. She has very little to non-existent self-control. And as proven by the end of Melancholy, her brain is out to lunch when it comes to situations where she should rightly be scared out of her mind. Does he wish for Haruhi to encounter a situation where she quits with the bullheadedness and stops to think about her surroundings? Absolutely. The series is full of examples where he as much as says this. Does he specifically wish for her to be terrified? Probably not, but would her being scared put her in a situation where she has to take stock of her situation? Most likely. Keep in mind too that "terrified" is a very strong term, and, this being a translation, might not be connotatively accurate. "Scared" or even "unsettled" could be more accurate. I don't know.
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2009-08-30, 02:12 | Link #96 | |
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As for being truly terrified, Haruhi has already experienced this once. Kyon's epic adventure where he challenged the mighty stairwell with nothing but his face should come to mind. |
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2009-09-02, 21:41 | Link #99 |
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ever since i started reading the series i have always thought that Haruhi definately like Kyon but Kyon on the other hand is extremely reluctant to even admit to himself that he sees Haruhi nothing more than a burden that he has to look after but in reality actually does have stronger feeling for her.
i have also thought that Kyon is way more melancholic than Haruhi for the facts that he himself hadd all the same expectations of Haruhi but accepted the fate that he is just another human and nother extrodianry will ever happen which is the complete opposite of haruhi and for that Kyon is jealous in a way that even though he is surrounded by all the things he wanted as a child still cannot see the fun side like Haruhi and for that reason he acts the way he does.
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2009-09-03, 02:43 | Link #100 |
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The things that really strike me about Kyon's relationship toward Haruhi are really the following two:
Some examples of the latter: Spoiler for various anime and novel:
However, this is not something that Kyon does exclusively toward Haruhi. He is also often concerned about the emotional well-being of Asahina and Nagato, as seen in situations like: Spoiler for various:
To me it really seems like Kyon seriously wants Haruhi to mellow out and treat other people better, wants Nagato to open up a bit more and acknowledge her emotions, and wants Asahina to develop more confidence and self-esteem like her older self (though he's still unnerved by Asahina (big), which complicates matters). As for his endless fawning over Asahina and snarking over Haruhi, I tend to dismiss those because both are really just words, and really superficial. The thing that should count the most toward how we judge his relationships is how he acts toward the other girls, and not a bunch of words that he never acts upon. And I think that's one of the most interesting things about Kyon as a character and narrator—he talks and talks and talks, which tends to drown out lots of small things that are really important, and often don't even get a mention. |
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