Macross Delta - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[Annorax]

It seems it is the Deneb class of Galaxy. Maybe they sold them to other planetary defense force?

[Alhazred]

Originally Posted by Tak

We don't know if Var was engineered by Protoculture, or if it was a new phenomenon. We do no the Wind is merely weaponizing the Var, and not responsible in creating it

True; still just speculating.

Also, it seemed like Chaos had at least an inkling of the chemical component of Var already- even though its cause is publicly 'unknown.' I wonder if the disconnect is deliberate, to prevent a panic because until now they didn't know how that chemical got into people's bodies, or just mildly sloppy plotting with a 'sudden discovery' by the idol singers that medical science should have made ages ago. It also seems like even if they only had a marker for the Var-vulnerable, they could have done blood screening to keep those people away from weapons or vulnerable locations.

[tsunade666]

This is 2 four right? Why do I feel that the secrets are being revealed way to just early? Its usually shown or revealed when nearing the end or after halfway through the story. Cute mirage and freya.

[Annorax]

There will be EVEN MORE secret probably

[Tak]

By episode 7, I think we are just getting started. I hope this is indeed a 30+ episodes gig, I will not be satisfied with a 20+ entry.

- Tak

[Bgunit]

Say in the episode the cat leader mentioned about the weapon and windmere killing friend and foe not roid and mirage told freyja that it was her people that used it not them but did she fight windmere 7 years ago? What if NUN is lying not them?

[Tak]

If it was the NUNs that dropped it, you'd think you would get more than a shrug from Roid as a reaction. Instead, he just replied he did not bring any dimension weapons. Did Roid counter the old leader with an agitated response to indicate his hatred for dimension weapons? No.

And if NUNs did used it, just imagine the public outcry.

- Tak

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Bgunit

Say in the episode the cat leader mentioned about the weapon and windmere killing friend and foe not roid and mirage told freyja that it was her people that used it not them but did she fight windmere 7 years ago? What if NUN is lying not them?

Last episode Keith showed Heinz the hole at Scarfell and called it their brand of shame. He calls it shame as they were the ones who did it.

Roid didn't refute what Voldor's leader said confirming it is true.

If you've watched Macross Frontier the Dimension Eater was a black hole bomb that destroyed planet Gaul 4.

According to Mirage the use of that weapon got banned by treaty once details came out.

Why would NUNS use it on a militarily weaker Windermere? Likely scenario which we are being presented is that Revolunists tried to use it against NUNS but it backfired killing their own people.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Bgunit

Say in the episode the cat leader mentioned about the weapon and windmere killing friend and foe not roid and mirage told freyja that it was her people that used it not them but did she fight windmere 7 years ago? What if NUN is lying not them?

Well I'm not going to say that the one lying is definitely Windermere but considering the few things we know about NUN and Windermere I think it is a lot more probable that the latter is lying.

At the very least we know that officially NUN banned dimensional weapons while not only Windermere did not, but from what the old cat said it seems that they are also known to possess them.

On Windermere's defense it could be said that it would be stupid for them to nuke their own planet, but still according to the old cat they are capable of doing that.


Anyway even supposing that Windermere was not responsible for that nuke, it is unlikely that the order to use that dimensional weapon came directly from NUN higher ups. It could be a corrupt faction inside NUN which later covered up the whole story by blaming Windermere.

Of course the reverse could also be true, and I'm actually leaning toward the hypothesis that someone among the Windermere's higher ups made the personal decision to blow up a dimensional weapon on his own home planet's soil, Blaming NUN, to bolster sentiments against them. All of that without the consent of the King.


I honestly don't envy Feyja, because from her perspective there's really no way to even evaluate the likelihood that it is the rulers of her own people that are lying instead of the alien confederation she's currently working for.

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Last episode Keith showed Heinz the hole at Scarfell and called it their brand of shame. He calls it shame as they were the ones who did it.

I don't think that necessarily implies that. And considering that Keith's purpose was to increase Heinz hate toward NUN, it probably doesn't.
Windermere is a proud kingdom military oriented, so being defeated and scarred most likely constitutes a great shame to them.

[Tak]

I am actually more surprised that Frejya has no moral qualms about this entire incident and genuinely enjoys her life as a member of Walkure.

When the topic was brought up, the only comment from her was, didn't humans dropped it? She said with a shrug and nothing more.

Yeah, I uh, find her suspicious.

- Tak

[willyvereb]

The more we learn about Windemere the more it seems like Macross' version of North Korea.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I don't think that necessarily implies that. And considering that Keith's purpose was to increase Heinz hate toward NUN, it probably doesn't.
Windermere is a proud kingdom military oriented, so being defeated and scarred most likely constitutes a great shame to them.

Not hate. Note Keith keeps harping they do not have time. It isn't about their life span but their planet is running out of time.

To Keith Roid and Heinz is wasting time with the supposed moral high ground that they are trying to show.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by willyvereb

The more we learn about Windemere the more it seems like Macross' version of North Korea.

You might just hit something with that. Them NKs are still the only ones testing nukes on their own soil, underground!

Not to mention the restriction of imports, culture and travel. Oh, did I mention the allegeded racial purines emphasized by the NK joke government? Not even National Socialist Germany managed to pull off some of the stunts NK did.

- Tak

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by Tak

I am actually more surprised that Frejya has no moral qualms about this entire incident and genuinely enjoys her life as a member of Walkure.

When the topic was brought up, the only comment from her was, didn't humans dropped it? She said with a shrug and nothing more.

Yeah, I uh, find her suspicious.

- Tak

That scene reminded me of Kei in Ajin in term of emotional display.

In fact, she's a ditzy version of Kei who exchanged self-preservation for Mikumo and apples.

[Alhazred]

It might just be that Windermere in general tend to experience far less emotional/cultural affect from events in the past because proportionately less of their lives consist of periods when they are emotionally developed enough to properly engage with the past, and because they are encouraged to live more for the present or the future because they have so little time. They might just fixate on specific events; for Freyja, the defining event happens to be whenever she got her recordings of outside music, rather than the war.

[Wandering Soul]

So Walkure can also execute recon mission in addition to being pilots. Combine that with their other talents and we at least know that those girls will always have fall back careers in case being an idol doesn't work out.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

So Walkure can also execute recon mission in addition to being pilots. Combine that with their other talents and we at least know that those girls will always have fall back careers in case being an idol doesn't work out.

Kaname is skilled in military management

Makina is a high tech mechanic

Reina is a leet hacker

Mikumo is on a tier of her own

Freyja is... an apple farmer...

[Annorax]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

So Walkure can also execute recon mission in addition to being pilots. Combine that with their other talents and we at least know that those girls will always have fall back careers in case being an idol doesn't work out.

The only one that actually have a background in singing is Kaname, Makina had experience with mechanic before she was in Walkure, hacker was a hacker, and Mikumo being.... Mikumo... I guess she was discovered when singing while taking a nude walk around Elysion.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Tak

If it was the NUNs that dropped it, you'd think you would get more than a shrug from Roid as a reaction. Instead, he just replied he did not bring any dimension weapons. Did Roid counter the old leader with an agitated response to indicate his hatred for dimension weapons? No.

And if NUNs did used it, just imagine the public outcry.

- Tak

I suppose one interpretation is that Roid didn't think it was worth arguing the point. The Voldor seem to lean fairly strongly to the NUNS interpretation of what happened on Windemere, and I doubt they'd be especially likely to change their minds after Windemere conquered their planet with Var syndrome. It's a bit too conveniently self-serving of an argument. Roid might as well have tried to convince the Voldor leader that he had a bridge to sell him if he really wanted to convince him of anything.

...OTOH, it seems like nominally it should be such a big deal that you'd NEVER break party line about it being squarely the NUNS fault. Whether it's the truth or revisionism, it seems like it'd be too important for Windemere propaganda to be treated as anything other than an absolute.

Originally Posted by Annorax

The only one that actually have a background in singing is Kaname, Makina had experience with mechanic before she was in Walkure, hacker was a hacker, and Mikumo being.... Mikumo... I guess she was discovered when singing while taking a nude walk around Elysion.

Or they put Mikumo together in a lab. Probably out of spare parts from Sharon apple.

[John117xCortana]

The more I see it....the more I think that this is a more successful version of what Macross Galaxy tried to do in the events of Frontier.

Being motivated by revenge doesn't end well. Look what happened in CA: Civil War and what happened to Ein in IBO.