2012-12-09, 22:04 | Link #161 | ||
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BECAUSE THEY ARE TOXIC AS HELL TO MINE. There are huge reserves of those kind of stuff all over the planet, USA included. China, ignorant of the real dangers, in the 90s sold this stuff really cheap. It screwed the American miners yes, but also spared the American public from dangerous toxic by products. Now days, China want to raise the price and lower production, because they realize this stuff is dangerous. Solution? Western gov can cancel their version of the EPA and start mining again. Easy...as long as you want to take care of the environmental hazards too. Quote:
help me out.... oh, Socialism. As for military greedy for funds, can you explain to me how that is different than the military of EVERY FUCKEN COUNTRY ON THE PLANET? Shall we start to examine pentagon's budget, which is 7 times of the next guy up, and Britain, a couple islands far from any threat, has more to spent than Russia? Last edited by relentlessflame; 2012-12-10 at 02:04. Reason: double-post |
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2012-12-10, 00:16 | Link #163 | ||
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/29/wo...third-day.html That is right, where once Chinese gov can just deploy machine guns on civils, they now realize now things are fucken dangerous. You do not know how bad some of those cities in China are, that is why China is busy pouring tons of cash into public transit and solar/wind energy, because they realize the American dream of having House+ 2 Car + 2.5 Kids and have it apply to China will be the end of China---if not the entire world in a economic armageddon. Obama see the same thing, but wonder men in Congress (Read: republican oil lobby) is doing drill drill drill rather going for the long term. And before you say crap like China never realizing the value of conservation, you forget ultimate sacrifice-by limiting the entire population to prevent a biological armageddon. Let me know when the west think about the same. As for rare earth? What advantage can China earn? America and the rest of the world can re-open those mines anytime it wants. (SEE: ECONOMICS), just get a good government lobby (SEE OIL, GAS), and you will get rare earth minerals in no time. Oh, see here: U.S is doing it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountai...are_earth_mine Why don't you go down to the bottom and read about the byproducts? Quote:
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2012-12-10, 02:16 | Link #164 |
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This thread has veered a really, really long ways from its original topic, and now it's just about Chinese policies and international politics in general. The tone of this cyclic conversation unsurprisingly isn't very productive, because it's become basically a game of accusing and defending. If there is more to discuss about the true topic at hand, okay, but otherwise we may just lock this thread and put an end to this.
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Personally.. it's better to be renamed as "The South East Asian Territorial Conflict"..
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2012-12-10, 07:56 | Link #166 | ||
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The thread topic is too narrow to begin with and should be broadened to include the entire spectrum of Chinese foreign policy. On that note, I highlight the salient points from Reuter's analysis which cover the messy state of Chinese foreign policy: Quote:
Beijing no longer has a strongman capable of imposing his will on competing factions within the Communist Party. We see signs of increasing factionalism, as each group jockeys for positions within the Politburo Standing Committee. If a senior China correspondent of a Singapore newspaper is to be believed, the party has also been severely rocked by a barely averted coup attempt by Bo Xilai. Basically, this means that central power is starting to fragment, with possibly dire consequences for China and its neighbours. We are in a situation now where ambitious local politicians and party cadres are raring to assert their patriotic credentials through provocative actions that the central government is barely aware of, let alone control. This is a worrying trend and further reinforces my belief that strident Chinese nationalism is on an inevitable rise. Not because Beijing wills it, but because it is unable to keep a lid on it, due to the inherent problems of an undemocratic political system weakened further by politicians' almost complete disregard for the law. (To quote the senior correspondent of the Singapore paper: "The law serves politics in China." Which is to say, the people in power follow the law only when it suits them.) In a situation such as this, it becomes important for the rest of the region to work harder to contain China. When it comes to realpolitik, smaller powers have no choice but to prepare for the worst even as they hope for the best. And if the worst does happen, it's going to be very, very ugly indeed. All the more reason to be well-prepared. |
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2012-12-10, 09:43 | Link #167 |
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Bo Xi Lai's coup is grossly overstated. He had no real control over the military, and had power through mostly the old-boys prince network. The fact his take down was utterly complete meant he really didn't have the literal power as some classic "strongmen" have.
As for the other "worrying trends" you cited, well, everyone thought China was going to fall apart when Mao died. It didn't, Deng died (well portrayed in Tom Clancy novels), it didn't. Heck, one could say the U.S Fiscal cliff show down is a lot more dangerous than the current Chinese change. Even if Chinese government does collapse, neighbors shouldn't worry too much other than loss of economic consumption. After all, in 5000 years of chinese history, there was never a case where the central government fell apart and neighbors suffer. Because the chinese would be busy shooting each other. |
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The west has been ringing the doomsday bell on China since the day after 10.1.1949. And it is still standing. |
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