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TJR is also correct, though a bit harsher than I would put it myself. It seems to me that Anime/Light Novel writers have discarded their knowledge of literary techniques and conventions in favour of throwing together otaku culture tropes and archetypes. You might even say that they do this because the otaku market is insular and demanding, but it happens nonetheless. Cultural elitism aside, writers would be panned for such shoddy work in other markets. As for my general point here, you can find a show entertaining even with low quality writing, all of us do at some points. I'm enjoying quite a few of those this season, but that doesn't mean you have to ignore the obvious quality defects. |
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The point of the test is to root out all those that might feel the urge to kill. Because no matter how irrational we are, the majority of us don't kill you for slighting us, even if it's within our means. Because killing somebody is as easy as sneaking up to them and cutting their throat while they're asleep, you don't need a gun to do that. Quote:
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2011-04-16, 13:56 | Link #1124 | |
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People putting this show down is just making me like it more. I'm making a new AriaxKinji avatar/sig set purely out of spite.
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2011-04-16, 13:58 | Link #1125 | |
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Sounds like the current series are for the otaku people to watch and not in general.
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I seriously have the urge to kill when I read 'Light novel authors doesn't know how to write'.
I don't know if you are seriously thinking what you are saying, but you should be ashamed or yourself or go read once again regular novels. Maybe the two at the same time who knows. But above all, you can't expect a novel for teenager to have the same writing as a novel of Emile Zola or who knows what famous antique writers you have in your bag. That doesn't mean that they don't know how to write, quite the opposite, they adapt their writing for the population targeted. |
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2011-04-16, 14:01 | Link #1128 | ||
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And even among those that are aimed at otaku/teenage audiences there are good ones. of course your taste may not agree with mine. How many LNs have you read anyway? Actually read, not an anime adaptation or a synopsis but the actual text? Quote:
And the ones I enjoy? Typically the myths, epics and legends of other cultures....which incidentially, LNs are an evolution from and do make reference to at times.
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The whole pulling guns out at the end was something done for comedic effect mind you, it doesn't hold much to logic.
It's nothing like the way it was done in IS where they went out of the way to let us know the characters being "hot headed" was literally a threat to the other well being -_- such as rin calling houki out on the kendo stick, or ichika needing to be saved by someone from their random attacks. That is bad "comedic" violence, when aria pulled out her guns/katna's/etc I never felt like she was gonna literally try kill/injure someone. |
2011-04-16, 14:03 | Link #1130 | |
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Like I said, I don't talk down on anyone for their style as long as they acknowledge the bare basics of literary technique, and I certainly don't talk down on anyone for their taste. When their is stuff that is more suited to my tastes, I follow it. That doesn't make everything else off limits, though. Btw, I think a few skilled YA writers would take offense to the assumption that their work is by default poor literature. |
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2011-04-16, 14:07 | Link #1132 |
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Hah, my edit will go unnoticed with all this chatter.
At any rate, characters in a supernatural world don't have to be believable as they follow completely different thought patterns than ours. Setting is a matter of subjectivity as well. In fact, I think it's impossible to rate something objectively. Therefore, all I can argue about is actual things with the plot that are incongruous. The reason Aria doesn't feel like she's going to kill somebody is because she doesn't mean to. Which is the point. |
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The whole "tsundere is embarrased -> tsundere uses gag violence to attack people" comedy act is one of the most overused concepts in anime, so we're being a little harsh here. Similarly, the "let's have a school of superpowered highschoolers" setup is also pretty standard, hence the (perhaps overly) critical examination. Obviously, if someone hasn't seen 10 shows that use the exact same unrealistic element, they'll love it (otherwise it wouldn't be so popular in the first place). So these element are good elements in that sense, it's just that a lot of us have watched too much anime and gotten tired of these elements, so we call them cliches.
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So not really, especially since this series was started 3 years ago. [mod edit: spoilers/hints removed] Last edited by relentlessflame; 2011-04-16 at 19:07. Reason: NO spoilers, even behind spoiler tags |
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2011-04-16, 14:16 | Link #1136 | |
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Yes, people, even young ones, can be trained, and the hardcases weeded out. That's obviously not what happened at Butei High. |
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2011-04-16, 14:25 | Link #1138 |
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I threaten to kill people everyday.
I can't back it up, so I don't. If I had a gun and knew I could fire it without consequences and without killing anybody, I might consider doing so. However, I wouldn't kill them. Especially since most of the times I say such things, they're meant as jokes. The point here is, the government doesn't care what the students do as long as they don't kill people. They could shoot holes into the wall for hours as long as they payed damages. |
2011-04-16, 14:27 | Link #1139 |
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Off the top of my head there's Baka to Test, Infinite Stratos, and to an extent To aru Majutsu no Index. All of these are also Light novel adaptations as well.
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