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Dragnfly@Gamefaqs · 2006-12-08, 23:20

I don't think they ever say who. I've said a few times that I'd love for Mr. T (Testarossa) to show up and throw Nanoha helluva far. Since he's not mentiontioned, perhaps it's a shameful situation. But alas, that blonde hair must've came from somewhere.

CrossoverManiac · 2006-12-09, 00:27

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Originally Posted by Nagumo

You know... A thought just occurred to me. Do we even know if Precia was married or something?

I mean, I'm sure Alicia (prior to being killed) came from somewhere.

So whose the father?

A very lucky man...at least until she flipped out.

JediNight · 2006-12-09, 02:20

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Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

Hmm, it was Precia's fault in the first place, making experiments with illegal materials that caused Alicia's death in that accident. ("Bring your daughter to work" day?)

She tried to play God when she started the "Hydra" project and payed for it...
Though, the way Amy pronounced it in episode 10, it sounded more like "Yggdra"

Yeah I took it to be Yggdra as well, aka Yggdrasil for those aware of that name.

Petco · 2006-12-09, 02:37

Do we have some IRC channel for Nanoha? If not, we should set up one.

Kikaifan · 2006-12-09, 03:30

And I was getting along so nicely not having IRC.

Deathkillz · 2006-12-09, 04:01

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Originally Posted by CrossoverManiac

A very lucky man...at least until she flipped out.

he probably got dissected as one of precia's experimental subjects

FlameSparkZ · 2006-12-09, 06:34

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Originally Posted by Deathkillz

he probably got dissected as one of precia's experimental subjects

He probably died the same way Alicia did, but Precia cared more about her daughter...
Or, after the loss of Alicia, he saw her "go bananas" and thought best to leave while he was still alive and breathing.

guest · 2006-12-09, 19:58

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Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

Hmm, it was Precia's fault in the first place, making experiments with illegal materials that caused Alicia's death in that accident. ("Bring your daughter to work" day?)
She tried to play God when she started the "Hydra" project and payed for it...
Though, the way Amy pronounced it in episode 10, it sounded more like "Yggdra"

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Originally Posted by Nagumo

You know... A thought just occurred to me. Do we even know if Precia was married or something?

I mean, I'm sure Alicia (prior to being killed) came from somewhere.

So whose the father?

I got this info online which I think might answer some of you guys’ questions. It is from the novel of Nanoha, which is what the anime and manga are adapted from. I only got pieces and bits so don’t blame me if I got it wrong.

Precia was a brilliant sorceress. Her marriage did not work out and they got divorced after two years (or something like that) of marriage. That was where Alicia came from. I guess we won’t see Mr. Testarossa anymore.

About that Hydra project. When Precia took over, that project was a mess already. That was why the former director got fired. Facing tremendous pressure from the higher authority and a disastrous project, Precia did her best to make it work while her bosses were cutting down on security. (to save money, perhaps?) This was a disaster waiting to happen and yes, it did. The “magical explosion” (the accident), sort of, could not be confined within the secure area because of the insufficient security measurement. The outcome was that the accident affected a broader area than it should have. Precia’s resident was in her research district, hence, Alicia was killed. I guess they might have offered her resident when she took the job. It is common to some companies, actually.

In order to cover up their misconduct, the higher authority forced Precia not to sue them and announced the official cause of the incident as the result of Precia’s illegal conduct. Instead, they gave Precia a huge compensation, which was later on being used for Precia’s F.A.T.E. project. That was where Fate came from. As time goes on, Fate's personality started to diverge from the original, Alicia, and the memory implanted from the original started to deteriorate for reason unknown. Therefore, Precia considered Fate a “failure.” I think we can see a few hints of these in anime. Alicia is, apparently, an easy going and talkative girl, while Fate is a shy and somewhat quiet girl. Of course, you can argue that it is the result of being tortured but who knows. That may be Fate’s true personality. Precia then moved on to find a way to resurrect the original, Alicia.

Alicia is right. Precia was a gentle and kind soul. How can someone like that just snapped?

Gearhead · 2006-12-09, 22:19

From what I understand, it seems Fate does have Alicia's memories copied into her, but just because you dubbed the information over doesn't mean there hasn't been some data loss. And memory association is a tricky thing. It's quite possible that Fate's personality came out different.. which set Precia off on a downward spiral. She was DESPERATE to restore Alicia, and her best work had turned out a horrible failure, in her eyes.

Every little flaw in Fate became a constant reminder that her daughter was gone.

But Fate was also her best agent in completing work on Alicia.

So basically she gets stuck in a feedback loop, forced to deal with the symbol of everything that's gone wrong in her life. The accident at the lab ruined hher reputation almost certainly, wrecking her reputation and her carrer on top of killing her child.

Then there's the guilt of having been responsible for the death of her child, no matter how accurate this perception is or not.

Being kind and gentle doesn't mean your brain can't gnaw itself to death in guilt.

And after you're that far gone, kind and gentle aren't likely accurate descriptors anymore.

Kikaifan · 2006-12-10, 01:23

Yeah. I cannot see how it could be expected that having a clone of her daughter with the same face but a different personality could do anything but aggravate her mental condition.

FlameSparkZ · 2006-12-10, 06:16

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Originally Posted by Kikaifan

Yeah. I cannot see how it could be expected that having a clone of her daughter with the same face but a different personality could do anything but aggravate her mental condition.

Like, Gearhead said, Precia was desperate...for mothers who love their children, if they have a slim chance of bringing them back from death, they'll try it. Even if it's impossible...

And in Fate's dream world, Alicia said that Precia "broke" because she was too kind.

Deathkillz · 2006-12-10, 06:52

its kinda sad that precia didnt have any affection for fate whatsoever

it wasnt fair on her at all...and why did she clone alicia if she wasnt even going to take care of fate? fate wasnt even a substitute for the feelings that precia had but rather a slave to take out her anger...yep she broke all rite...completely snapped at the thought of alicia's death...

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs · 2006-12-10, 08:19

To me that's something that made Precea so special as a villain. Her love was for Alicia and Alicia alone. Fate wasn't to have any part of it. And that's a very evil and insane trait if you ask me.

50) Nanoha befriends her enemies. Dark Nanoha drinks them alive.

guest · 2006-12-10, 12:03

Another thing is, I heard in novel that Bardiche was made by Lilith. She made it for Fate only and trained Fate to use it. But some people here said that Precia bought Bardiche for Fate. Which one is correct?

FlameSparkZ · 2006-12-10, 13:37

In sound stage 2 of season 1, something happened between Linith and Bardiche, either they merged into one, or something else.

Anyway, Linith just disappeared after that...

Kikaifan · 2006-12-10, 19:53

When we were discussing the rarity of Intelligent Devices everyone was saying that Bardiche had to be bought and at great expense as evidence that even the greatest mages can't make them anymore.

FlameSparkZ · 2006-12-11, 08:01

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Originally Posted by Kikaifan

When we were discussing the rarity of Intelligent Devices everyone was saying that Bardiche had to be bought and at great expense as evidence that even the greatest mages can't make them anymore.

That makes me wonder about Durandal, it was made specifically to seal the book of darkness along with its master.

Either Graham had another accomplice in his plot, or he made Durandal himself (maybe with the help of the Lieze Twins).

And maybe, not everyone can wield an Intelligent Device, because it needs a Mage with a considerable amount of magic to power it.

Darco_emp · 2006-12-11, 10:11

But Durandal is a storage device like S2U then an Intelligent Device. It is logical to assume there is not a large number of intelligent device maybe due to the the skill required to make them. If none of the current mage can make them that makes me wonder where did RH comes from, unless Yuno found it in a ruins somewhere

Kikaifan · 2006-12-11, 11:30

Yeah, info at least says Durandal has basic AI, it's just special in that it's optimized for casting one type of magic. Still, the way they talked about it seems like it's either a unique item they had to acquire or something they developed at great cost.

Darco_emp · 2006-12-11, 11:52

It could be that is it very hard to near impossible to make a device with the insane high lved spell build-in like "eternal coffin" that Durandal can be used to cast.Personlly I dont really see other storage device which is used by TSAB staff as rare or hard to make.

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Dragnfly@Gamefaqs Vampie Walrus. Big fangs Join Date: Oct 2004	I don't think they ever say who. I've said a few times that I'd love for Mr. T (Testarossa) to show up and throw Nanoha helluva far. Since he's not mentiontioned, perhaps it's a shameful situation. But alas, that blonde hair must've came from somewhere.

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Dragnfly@Gamefaqs Vampie Walrus. Big fangs Join Date: Oct 2004	To me that's something that made Precea so special as a villain. Her love was for Alicia and Alicia alone. Fate wasn't to have any part of it. And that's a very evil and insane trait if you ask me. 50) Nanoha befriends her enemies. Dark Nanoha drinks them alive.

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Kikaifan Blazing General Join Date: May 2006 Location: CA Age: 37	When we were discussing the rarity of Intelligent Devices everyone was saying that Bardiche had to be bought and at great expense as evidence that even the greatest mages can't make them anymore. __________________

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Darco_emp Bored and Lurking ~ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Under a cardboard box	But Durandal is a storage device like S2U then an Intelligent Device. It is logical to assume there is not a large number of intelligent device maybe due to the the skill required to make them. If none of the current mage can make them that makes me wonder where did RH comes from, unless Yuno found it in a ruins somewhere

2006-12-11, 11:30	Link #1139
Kikaifan Blazing General Join Date: May 2006 Location: CA Age: 37	Yeah, info at least says Durandal has basic AI, it's just special in that it's optimized for casting one type of magic. Still, the way they talked about it seems like it's either a unique item they had to acquire or something they developed at great cost. __________________

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Darco_emp Bored and Lurking ~ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Under a cardboard box	It could be that is it very hard to near impossible to make a device with the insane high lved spell build-in like "eternal coffin" that Durandal can be used to cast.Personlly I dont really see other storage device which is used by TSAB staff as rare or hard to make.