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2010-03-08, 00:38 | Link #2845 | ||
Alto x Ranka :)
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Senda, after waiting for so long, had his best moment of the series in the conversation he had with Kou. Let's just go back and look at their conversation again: Quote:
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2010-03-08, 00:56 | Link #2846 | |
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Denial is really a powerful theme running throughout this story - Kou's denial of his own feelings, Aoba of hers, among other denials. But while Aoba denies her love for Kou even to herself, I think it's been harder on Kou - because he's fully aware of his feelings for Aoba but chooses to silently bear them so as not to cause her hurt. He thinks he's being kind, but of course he isn't - and what has become obvious is that Kou hasn't been holding back out of respect for Waka's memory and what it would do to him if he surrendered to his feelings. He's been holding back for Aoba's sake - because he thinks she would see it as a betrayal of her sister, and perhaps because he truly can't be sure she feels about him as he does her. Aoba has certainly given him little evidence that she does - but I suspect he's had a pretty good idea, all along. He just didn't want to burden her with his feelings when she wasn't ready to accept them. In it's way, Akane's presence has been the catalyst to bring Aoba around - to force everyone to re-examine their feelings and how to act on them.
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2010-03-08, 01:08 | Link #2847 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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My reason for holding him up so high as a male lead is because his flaws are believable, they're not flaws that make me angry which a lot of other male leads have usually done. Also at the same time, I don't blame him for taking the actions he has up until now because I probably would have done the same.
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2010-03-08, 02:37 | Link #2850 |
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I put so much weight on that dialogue, if you can even call it that in a literal sense, between the two of them as Aoba pitches to him because this scene is perhaps the culmination of the entire "struggle" between the two of them, a struggle that isn't as much a creation of an plot by the author as it is a result of the fact that their own personalities and characters created it. If that sentence sounded vague, my point being that the entire conflict that almost festers between them isn't a result of greater circumstance beyond their control or as a arbitrary insertion by the author for the sake of having a conflict. Rather, it was created there in it's more primitive and childish form as a result of competition over Wakaba's time and presence.
When the catalyst of this sadly drowned in her childhood, the conflict took a more complex shape because the conflict evolved into something far more than arguing over a friend/sister. They themselves admitted to each other that the Wakaba promise isn't so much a issue as it was in the past, yet this lingers, and serves as a reminder that both of them in some ways hid the deeper conflict between them under Wakaba's death. Wakaba's death surely was the biggest event that changed their relationship, but they at times don't realize that it's just the tip of the iceberg because it's what was most evident; there is something further and more deeply complex then what they make evident, and they don't realize it. In some ways Wakaba's death comes off as an excuse when it has evolved beyond her death. It is no longer merely about her death but something more, something far greater than the past because it's eating them out in the present. In short, they themselves created and prolonged this conflict/issue, and the entire Wakaba loyalty issue is merely just a mask for an even greater issue they have already started to truly dig into, after more than 40 episodes. They've scratched the surface a lot in the past, but this simple question from Aoba is the first almost cataclysmic breakthrough in their relationship. A relationship that has admittedly stalled so many times in the past. As Enzo has said it's very much tied to denial, and it is quite possible that Kou has now, or maybe earlier, realized that Wakaba's death isn't perhaps the central question in the issue between him and Aoba anymore. I probably wouldn't put it past him if at this point in time he already knows it by now that Wakaba's death is slightly moot (and I mean that in the most respectful way possible), but in a better way of saying a realization that the real problem wasn't in her death, but in her hopes and intentions. As someone tied to her death, he now gets to explore what she truly meant by her words and intentions for the relationship between him and Aoba before she died. And what did Wakaba meant in the rather cryptic ways she talks? It is for this reason that I thought that in the same was as probably Akane, I think that Wakaba realized that there is something far, far greater in the relationship potential between Kou and Aoba than either or them realize. Everyone else has realized it by now. Wakaba's confrontational comments to Aoba back then no longer sounded like threats but rather challenges, considering the very competitive spirit of Aoba. Her death for me skewed the hopes Wakaba had for both of them. I fully believe Wakaba believed that she wasn't the one but Aoba who should be with Kou. Rather than give them the opportunity, her death splayed them apart and added guilt and denial to the mix. Guilt and denial are horribly strong emotional baggage to carry. Rather than have them hope for the future and life, it obviously bound them to the past and death. And it is only fairly recently that Kou finds clarity to no longer be tied to the past. Which returns me to Aoba's "How about me?" question. It means leaps and bounds for her because this is the defining moment of Aoba's link to her past. By asking this question and, to an extent being honest, she is showing that she can break free of her bonds to the past, specifically Wakaba's death. While we can't really identify a solid scene for Kou that shows how he is able to start removing his chains, this is the first true liberating catharsis for Aoba. Just in time as well, for victory for Koshien would demand that the key players involved finally be able to look forward without looking back. Now they can set their eyes purely on Koshien, and to victory. Does Enzo's denial explanation of Kou's sense of denial of himself and his feelings work? In this sense is perfectly does. His denial is more of a relic now, due to the belief that he still has a burden to carry. It is very much possible he will rid himself of his denial once his objectives are met, and he admits that he only does because he has to, to somehow make things work. He wouldn't need it otherwise. It's for this reason that on the exact moment of his/their triumph, when they can finally lose their baggage and be truly free of their chains to their shared past, they will FINALLY be truly honest with themselves and their feelings. I think that this moment when the truth finally sets him and Aoba free that it will be the shiny, defining and cathartic moment of the story, in all it's forms.
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2010-03-08, 06:22 | Link #2853 |
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For you to believe that is to ignore/forget (a) what happened in Episode 1 when Wakaba seeing a marriage at a nearby church on their 11th brithday believed that Kou and her were fated to eventually marry; and (b) the list which ends at engagement ring that she wanted from Kou on her 20th birthday.
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2010-03-08, 06:34 | Link #2854 |
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Oh I took those into account, along with my belief that things changed along the way and along their relationships. Just so happened that she didn't live long enough to see this change through, but to me she's given enough signals to suggest that her beliefs changed along the way.
I'll just say that I believe that Akane symbolically completed what Wakaba would have actually done for him and for Aoba if she were alive.
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2010-03-08, 11:10 | Link #2856 | ||
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What an episode! I feel bad for Azuma though.
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2010-03-08, 11:12 | Link #2857 | |
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The more interesting part of that exchange, for me, was Aoba's text to Momiji. Anyone notice she called him "Kou" - not "Kitamura-senpai", etc? That's a real rarity for her, even when referring to him in the third person. There's one other aspect of the whole Aoba/Kou dynamic that I find interesting, and that's the often-overlooked fact that he's a year older than she is. While he unreservedly thinks of her as his sensei in baseball terms, in the emotional side of their relationship I suspect this ties into his already strong tendency to try and take care of everyone around him. As her elder, I believe Kou sees it as his responsibility to do the emotional heavy lifting, and if there's pain to be borne - such as not acting on his feelings and thus to spare those of the other party - he's the one who should bear it. I've always felt, and never more so than now, that Kou was much farther along in understanding the dynamics of their relationship than Aoba. But if, by admitting his affections before she was ready to accept them, he would cause her pain he would never do so. Even if she never got to where he was. Kou would accept that pain and let Aoba move on with her life.
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2010-03-08, 11:44 | Link #2858 | |
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I'm not entirely convinced by the idea of Wakaba having been rooting for Aoba/Kou all along, as I think maybe the amount of time that has passed since we saw her (in episode terms) might be influencing us a little...but it's an interesting theory.
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2010-03-08, 11:53 | Link #2859 |
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If you think back on it, how many times in the entire series has Aoba referred to Kou by that name - either directly or indirectly? I believe this may only be the second time.
I'm not so sure Waka-chan was shipping Kou and Aoba even when she was alive - interesting though that is to contemplate. What I do think is that she realized Aoba waa actually a better match, and thus saw the implied threat in their relationship - thus her "you can't have him" comment to Aoba. The part of that theory that I do agree with, which I mentioned earlier, is that Akane's presence represents a sort of implied blessing from Waka-chan.
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2010-03-08, 13:02 | Link #2860 | |
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