Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid Manga Discussion

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

That's just your assumption, and doesn't even make sense. During that fight the pov is with Einhart. We are in her head, and we know she's not distracted or hesitating or anything like that. Her condition is fine.

This is like arguing to a goldfish.

[Kazu-kun]

No need to be rude, okay? Last I checked it's against the board's rules.

[Rising Dragon]

Your arguments aren't making sense and it's getting annoying that you're forgetting or ignoring the points we're bringing up. You're saying that Einhart's in top form and that her issues aren't hampering her skills... when your first post directly mentions that her clouded state of mind would prevent her from catching up to Vivio.

The fight was not a fair measure of either girls' strengths and capabilities. Vivio went against everything she was taught, while Einhart's mental state prevented her from actually gaining an upper hand despite that. The whole point of the fight was about how Einhart's state of mind was screwing her up, but you're arguing (despite admitting in the first post it was the case) that she was perfectly fine.

We won't know if Vivio's actually stronger in all senses of the word until we see her fight against an undistracted, in peak shape Einhart using her actual fighting style, and not something that'll get her ear clubbed by Nove.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Your arguments aren't making sense and it's getting annoying that you're forgetting or ignoring the points we're bringing up.

I'm not forgetting any points. Also, if you're getting annoyed by this argument you may stop posting any time. I'm not here for you to vent your frustration.

You're saying that Einhart's in top form and that her issues aren't hampering her skills... when your first post directly mentions that her clouded state of mind would prevent her from catching up to Vivio.

That's not what my post says. It says I don't think she can catch up even if she got over her issues. In fact, I don't think her issues were much of a problem to begin with. Sure, it was sad to see her living for the memory of Claus, but that and her fighting prowess are two different things.

The fight was not a fair measure of either girls' strengths and capabilities.

In your opinion. I disagree.

Vivio went against everything she was taught

That helped, but their previous fight was a draw, so she was already catching up.

while Einhart's mental state prevented her from actually gaining an upper hand despite that.

I don't think so. I think what fucked her over was her poor defence, which is a problem she always had. Vivio landed some very tough hits at the beginning of the fight and that left Einhart in a bad physical condition for the rest of the fight.

The whole point of the fight was about how Einhart's state of mind was screwing her up, but you're arguing (despite admitting in the first post it was the case) that she was perfectly fine.

You just misunderstood my first post.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Better solution: It's called the Ignore List.

[TYxTxYT]

Originally Posted by vic-vic

And IMHO places 2-4 belonf to their older friends like Victoria, Lutecia and Mikiah (Sieg must have been absent again, or Einhart would stay on 2nd place)

U15 is capped at age 15, I think.
Sieg being youngest of the bunch, is 16 in Vivid.

[DKN117]

Question: If I want to pick up reading the manga right after where the ViVid anime left off, what manga chapter # do I start at?

[Rising Dragon]

Hard to say, as the anime changed around the order of the fights in that timeframe, and didn't otherwise have ViVid's final episode's after-action sequences.

Anime: Els vs Hallie > Micaiah vs Miura > Chantez vs Victoria > Corona vs Einhart > Elsa vs Lutecia > Yuna vs Lutecia.

Manga: Elsa vs Lutecia > Yuna vs Fabia > Micaiah vs Miura > Els vs Hallie > Corona vs Einhart > Chantez vs Victoria > Vivio vs Miura > Rio vs Hallie.

If you want to see the order the manga did, you'll want to start at chapter 22. If not, chapter 31's final page and chapter 32.

[Random Wanderer]

Personally I would suggest starting at the point where the anime began leaving significant things out and changing stuff around, which is basically right after the end of the training camp. Start at chapter 18 and go from there. Yes, you'll see some events you saw in the anime, but you'll also see several things the anime didn't cover, some of which are important for the story, others simply more fully round out various characters and story-points and make everything work more smoothly.

Or you could start from the beginning, which is my strongest recommendation. I always suggest people start things from the beginning. Even the early episodes of Vivid, which I think didn't leave out anything important still left out some things: stuff which more fully ties the series back into the greater Nanoha-verse and such. You won't miss anything big if you don't, so long as you at least read from chapter 18 onward, but it will still flow better.

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by TYxTxYT

U15 is capped at age 15, I think.
Sieg being youngest of the bunch, is 16 in Vivid.

No, Lutecia is the youngest of the group. I believe she is 14 as of Vivid, which makes her 15 in Vivid Strike. If that's the case, this means either Lutecia didn't take part, or Einhart beat Lutecia. Of course, given that Lutecia is a pure mage, and the U15 seems to be a Strike Arts only tournament, perhaps Lutecia never took part in the U15s because she wasn't a Strike Arts user. Or perhaps she was away on some assignment on Hayate or Chrono's behest, since she was apparently a TSAB Officer as revealed in the Infinite Library arc. Or she wasn't able to leave her house arrest on Carnaji for the U15s.

[B214]

I think U-15 focuses mainly on hand-to-hand combat, in short Martial Artist. We haven't seen any pure mages participating in it.

[DKN117]

I mainly wanted, for the sake off accuracy of a possible fic idea, to see Sieglinde vs. Einhart and the aftermath of it.

Anyway, another question. It's been a while so I've forgotten what the tournament's structure is. The only tournament structure I've ever seen is this kind: (random Google Image search for "tournament bracket"; numbers not necessarily as shown in this example)



Did ViVid's tournament work like that or was it a different kind of layout/structure/progression method?

[Rising Dragon]

The DSAA Inter-Middle was basically qualifiers for another tournament. Picking who'd get to represent Mid-childa in another tournament. Unfortunately, after Einhart and Sieglinde's match concluded, we've yet to see any more of the ongoing Inter-Middle.

[TYxTxYT]

Ch90 spoiler

Spoiler:

Ixpellia woke up

Einhart is truly a player.

[novalysis]

New Vivid chapter has been released. Yumina is quite a talented young lady at acupuncture magic....

Also, does anyone know how far Lutecia got into the DSAA municipals? I understand she got passed Fabia, but who was her next opponent, and has she fought that opponent yet?

[4th Dimension]

New chapter is out.
Nice things: Subaru and Ix interacting even if it is for like 1-2 panels. We are seemingly completed the epilogue of the last arc and the prologue of the next, so next issue should start pushing the plot forward.
Bad/nice: Miura getting her shit kicked in by a ranged (meaning civilized) opponent

Spoiler for desu ex machina:

before busting out a Vita style rocket boot attack when she is at a silver of HP.

Bad: Vivio's "autumn" "warmer" clothes. A thicker coat and possibly an even shorter skirt. UGHHHHH. FFS Vivid let her have some god damned clothes. The way you are going by the time winder rolls in she will be rolling around in just a coat and swimsuit bottoms. Also I would like to stop feeling like a pedo every time I read you.

Also Yumina's application to Einhart's hare.. I mean "friendship" circle has been approved....... Oh no... Does this mean that there will be even more fanservice filler with her massaging people?

Tournament: This concludes the semifinal qualifying round. Considering that we are down to 5 named competitors (Victoria, Harry, Sig, Lutecia and Miura) I guess we can expect some veteran vs veteran headbutting next time, when we get back to it (in about half a decade ), and Miura is likely to face one of the five, unless they give her an easy way out and assign her the sixth not yet named competitor.

[novalysis]

So, who is Lutecia facing? If it's Miura, I think it is likely the end for Miura, as Lutecia is both a fast Beam Spammer and a Summoner and can fly. If it's Sig, that's the end of the line. Lutecia probably has a good chance on Hary. Victoria is a toss up. Something tells me we are going to get Victoria vs Harry because it's foreshadowed hard. So it's either Sig or the sixth competitor, or Miura.

[4th Dimension]

If you mean in the semifinals, she would have faced the witch Croz, but she seems not to have shown up and therefore Lutecia fought some nameless competitor which she again dominated since she lost only something like 3000 HP.
As for the finals, we do not know, the semifinals just ended and final batches have not been shown.

As fro Miura vs LuLu I kind of agree. Especially considering how much trouble Miura had in her semifinal match in this issue against a pure Midchildan shooter. Basically her opponent was able to keep her pinned and rain shots at her with impunity. She only won because she was able to pull off a rocket charge. And I do not know if that works on aerial targets. Because if it doesn't, and LuLu has previosly shown that her usual tactic is to fly and bombard her opponents, she is screwed unless she learns how to do ranged attacks or how to fly.

I don't think Harry would do well against Victoria. Especially since we were shown all the competitors and results of their matches and their end HP, and Victoria hardly suffered a scratch (520 damage) while Harry was again beaten to an inch of her life (she took something like 12k damage). But then again reckless high risk high reward attacks that ignore damage to herself is kind of her style. And it would be a joy to watch her take Victoria apart, because you just know it she will never let Victoria forget she lost to her.

Realistically Miura has the biggest chance against Hary or LuLu. LuLu in particular IF she can figure out a way to get to her in the air, especially since knowing LuLu from Vivid she is highly likely to underestimate Miura. Harry is trickier proposition but Harry should be easiest to hit and she might be able to out DPS her. Anyway I look at it it would be a match of utter hotbloodedness and "damn the tactics".

[vic-vic]

Heh-heh, seems like Claus Ingvalt passed on Einhart not only his fighting might but also smooth-talking proves (as we can see in chapter 81). Well, he spend a LOT of time being surrounded by lovely (and badass) maidens.

P.S. But again - Fuuka pretty much drool over her in Vivid Strike.

[4th Dimension]

Clearly the Takamachi courting method hasn't been properly applied. Nanoha really needs to have a talk to Vivio about flying and beams.
Also LuLu being Hayate's hidden "blade" made me go WTF, is Shadowverse real?!?