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Rainrir · 2009-11-22, 11:06

Wow! you do read some obscure stuff, but isn't rape averted in Junk - Record of the Last Hero? I cannot remember all of it, I read it way back. It certainly didn't happen in REC, unless you know something I don't (then again i haven't read past volume 6). If you are refering to that incident, its not really cheating because she was essentially emotionally coherced into it and it did not actually come to pass. Golden Boy....is just Golden Boy. I don't know how to describe that manga. It was on...Ultra Jump I think. HImuro Serika is a woman, just by looking at the name alone seems to indicate she is a lady...unless its some alias. Then again my japanese is not at the level where I can tell apart more unusual names with one glance....

Spoiler:

We are derailling the thread already, we gotta focus back to the manga itself. Its about time this week's Shounen Sunday hits the shelves. So I am going to go check out what happens in Chapter 14 . I cannot believe I forgot Shounen Magazine comes out on Wednesdays (though some places get them as early as Monday/Tuesday) and that GE is on that...not Shounen Sunday. As I said, lets not derail the discussion...but I get the feeling these few posts will be the last for some time...until the raws come out...

Darknemo2000 · 2009-11-22, 12:06

Personally, I consider Chisa x Pon to be a Josei rather than seinen. It seems that it is more orietanted towards females raher than males, and the fact that it was more poplar among females than males seem to confirm that... Maybe because of the wrong label it lacks english audience attention (translators wise) - as male audience is not very interested, while females do not bother with somethig marked as seinen even if content wise it is more of a josei to tell the truth...

I think it's author (also the author of B-shock) is a female too and did Josei's in her past, so I am really unsure about marking it as seinen. I would call it either josei or neutral mature like B-shock.

Knights is the wrong tittle too, because Euphemia is not main love interest. She is a side character and her sex scenes are side-character sex scenes that we see rather often in seinens.

Golden Boy does not have a main girl character to begin with. All of the girl characters are side characters. It only has main hero and not heroine so it does not match too.

Love Junkies - is a borderline on hentai. It is more adult rather than a seinen and just like in Golden Boy the link is mostly the main guy character...

REC - does not have a sex scene unless you know something else than I do. It almost happened but it didn't so just like in Gekkoh's case it is close but not really there. And the girl wasn't even whoreing herself out like Gekkoh heroine does on regular basis.

Yellow Heart was so random that it was hard to even understand who are main characters and what is connecting plot. It was one of the worst storytelling examples I have ever seen. And the author is, surprise, female again...

In Mon Seul the girl is not main love interest but rather a sister... so it does not count as well.

I haven't read much of other titles to tell the truth, but so far your categorization seems to be off to me.

Zwei · 2009-11-22, 12:18

It's up to your perceptive how you want to define a manga, but that doesn't mean nor change anything how its labeled nor do I personally care. I just gave some examples from my perceptive and I'm not nitpicking at them, it involves the same subject being discussed and it's a fact. I don't really want to discuss other manga here.

You can't change the fact that it has something to do with the subject we were talking about, unless you're trying to be contrary for the sake of being "contrary".

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Knights is the wrong tittle too, because Euphemia is not main love interest. She is a side character and her sex scenes are side-character sex scenes that we see rather often in seinens.

She is a main love interest and she isn't a side character. Even if her feelings are one-sided, doesn't change the fact she's a love interest, it's common sense to think so.

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Golden Boy does not have a main girl character to begin with. All of the girl characters are side characters. It only has main hero and not heroine so it does not match too.

Every girl is a main character in it's own particular arc, so it applies as well and there are other females who become somewhat of a recurring characters.

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Love Junkies - is a borderline on hentai. It is more adult rather than a seinen and just like in Golden Boy the link is mostly the main guy character...

Doesn't change the fact that it's seinen.

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REC - does not have a sex scene unless you know something else than I do. It almost happened but it didn't so just like in Gekkoh's case it is close but not really there. And the girl wasn't even whoreing herself out like Gekkoh heroine does on regular basis.

About REC, I wasn't talking about rape but it did involve the main girl betraying the main character, even if it "didn't happen" and her reasons were "justified" according to some people.

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Yellow Heart was so random that it was hard to even understand who are main characters and what is connecting plot. It was one of the worst storytelling examples I have ever seen. And the author is, surprise, female again...

1 + 1 = 2.

It's easy how to tell who's the main character and who's not, it's even described in the summary. It also doesn't change the fact that it's seinen and has similarities to the topic we were discussing. The author may be female but I don't see how it applies nor does it matter here.

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In Mon Seul the girl is not main love interest but rather a sister... so it does not count as well.

She may not be a love interest, but she did betray the main character in a way, maybe it wasn't that much of an example however I did say I just gave brief examples of the few manga that came into my mind. You can always do some search yourself.

Darknemo2000 · 2009-11-22, 13:28

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You can't change the fact that it has something to do with the subject we were talking about, unless you're trying to be contrary for the sake of being "contrary".

They do, but they are not about main heroine doing sex and thats what we argued about in the first place.

Euphemia is not main love interest thus she is not really a main character. She is main characters side-kick, thus appears in all arcs, yet because the story is not bout her relationship with hero she is not the main female character.

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Every girl is a main character in it's own particular arc, so it applies as well and there are other females who become somewhat of a recurring characters.

But how many girls of these do not show having sex with other guys? Percentage would be higher anyway.

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About REC, I wasn't talking about rape but it did involve the main girl betraying the main character, even if it "didn't happen" and her reasons were "justified" according to some people.

Actually I was one of those who argued that the main girl still betrayed the main character even if it is 'justified', but I was more disgusted with her happy-go-lucky attitude after it as if showing she hasn't learned anything from it. Heck, she didn't even talked with her boyfriend about it, and such things tend to haunt relationship sooner or later.

It was her reaction afterwards that made me drop this manga rather then the scene itself which wasn't so bad.

Yet we are talking about the sex scene showed, and what we have seen in here, just like in Gekkoh - is the betrayal but the actual sex scene showed so it doest count on the same category.

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It's easy how to tell who's the main character and who's not, it's even described in the summary. It also doesn't change the fact that it's seinen and has similarities to the topic we were discussing. The author may be female but I don't see how it applies nor does it matter here.

Weird, because if you have read reviews both in Japan and in english regarding this manga, more people are siding with me than with you as it is always stressed a horrible script-writing and pacing of this manga that makes the reader unnecessarily confused.

And it has o importance of author being a female. Just an interesting thing to note that most of the theme examples we are discussing are written by females who as rule are usually doing joseis and shoujos, rather than by males...

While male seinen writers tend to stay away from such themes. Not all the times, of course, but you can see the tendency... Or if they touch it its when we have many heroines, like in Love Junkies so you tend not to overreact about few of them going astray specially when the guy himself has more than plenty of experiences with different girls himself...

Zwei · 2009-11-22, 14:04

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They do, but they are not about main heroine doing sex and thats what we argued about in the first place.

Euphemia is not main love interest thus she is not really a main character. She is main characters side-kick, thus appears in all arcs, yet because the story is not bout her relationship with hero she is not the main female character.

Different perspectives. I consider Euphemia a love interest and a main character. I was wrong just about one thing here, this manga is shounen and not seinen, which is a rarity here considering it's shounen yet she's having multiple sex with different guys and we get a visual flashback of what happened to her and how many times she was raped, in a shounen manga.

In shounen manga, there are tendencies where a female character is always a possible love interest for the main character, and we actually get confirmation that she also had feelings for him but he clearly wasn't interested in her.

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Actually I was one of those who argued that the main girl still betrayed the main character even if it is 'justified', but I was more disgusted with her happy-go-lucky attitude after it as if showing she hasn't learned anything from it. Heck, she didn't even talked with her boyfriend about it, and such things tend to haunt relationship sooner or later.

It was her reaction afterwards that made me drop this manga rather then the scene itself which wasn't so bad.

Yet we are talking about the sex scene showed, and what we have seen in here, just like in Gekkoh - is the betrayal but the actual sex scene showed so it doest count on the same category.

The actual happening of the whether he penetrated her or not remains quite speculative but I'll go with he didn't do her and stopped at the last minute theory. It was however, quite a scene considering they were both naked and touching each other while betraying the main protagonist.

And yes, that's also what made me drop REC. Her reaction like nothing happened while her boyfriend remains in dark about it disgusted me as well.

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Weird, because if you have read reviews both in Japan and in english regarding this manga, more people are siding with me than with you as it is always stressed a horrible script-writing and pacing of this manga that makes the reader unnecessarily confused.

The description cleary states;

"A former prostitute and a man with a violent past meet in near-future Japan. Sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll collide in the Japanese underworld."

And by reading the manga, we get to see more chapters by other character's perspective view, however they are still the main characters and the story mostly revolved around them. There is actual happening where the main character gets betrayed by the girl visually as well. I'll go by facts and not opinion based reviews on this one.

I wasn't really surprised by the plot, she is a hentai artist after all. I also didn't find the plot to be that horrible, it's just what type of manga attracts you and this type of manga definitely won't attract your regulary manga fan considering the amount of sex scenes there is to it, especially where the girl is a whore herself.

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And it has o importance of author being a female. Just an interesting thing to note that most of the theme examples we are discussing are written by females who as rule are usually doing joseis and shoujos, rather than by males...

There are only two or three manga in my example that are written by female authors. The others are written by male authors and some of the others mostly because you seem to have not read them yet.

Besides, just like how Josei pisses us off mostly because the main character sleeps with every other character except the one she ends up with till the end, the same can be said for seinen manga most of the time.

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While male seinen writers tend to stay away from such themes. Not all the times, of course, but you can see the tendency... Or if they touch it its when we have many heroines, like in Love Junkies so you tend not to overreact about few of them going astray specially when the guy himself has more than plenty of experiences with different girls himself...

Love Junkies is an example where it's written by a female author. However, since I'm a fan of hers I say she's neutral as she has drawn many more manga that it's not for your average male reader but some of them are hentai as well. I've read her newest manga, called "Love & Crime" if I remember correctly, where the girlfriend of the main character is gangbanged with no mercy. You can't help but wanting to read more of these stories as it breaks alot of taboos.

If you actually compare these themes with other generic themes, then there really is few manga of such themes out there and seem small in comparison.

Other manga I'd like to note about such theme and this will be really my last post about it, because it's not a happy feeling talking about them.

It's definitely gotta be; Girlfriend. It breaks every taboo out there, it follows a lot of different characters however the story connects in the end and there are few characters who's appearance are so frequently they really become somewhat of main characters. It mostly deals with girls cheating, and the mangaka is male as far as I know.

EDIT: Another one that fits the description perfectly would be Voyeur.

aliasxn · 2009-11-22, 15:53

The thing I hate the most about rapes in manga, in addition to the actual rape, is the fact that it usually goes unpunished. Like the girl just got mugged or something, like it was a petty crime... That's what really pisses the hell out of me. For instance, there is an episode of Sons of Anarchy where a little girl gets raped. The girl wasn't even that important, she wasn't even one of the main characters, she was just some girl. Now, what the Sons did when they found out was they tracked the guy down, beat the shit out of him and his friends, cut off his balls with a pocket knife and buried him alive in the woods, unmarked grave. Justice was served!! Which is totally the opposite of what happens in Zero, for example. The girl gets raped and the rapist only gets a suspension, and the first thing he does when he comes back to school is mock the girl about it... I heard the same thing happened in Chisa x Pon, the rapist and the main character become buddy-buddy... Maybe I wouldn't feel so aggravated about this if the issue wasn't treated so lightly... Or maybe rape is just more of an offence in western countries, I don't know...

ZODDGUTS · 2009-11-22, 17:20

Yeah that's one of the things that annoys me in manga/anime the crime goes unpunished. Like in Princess Lover for example the guy who killed the main character parents goes unpunished instead the main character forgives him.

Wargumm1i · 2009-11-22, 19:49

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The thing I hate the most about rapes in manga, in addition to the actual rape, is the fact that it usually goes unpunished. Like the girl just got mugged or something, like it was a petty crime... That's what really pisses the hell out of me. For instance, there is an episode of Sons of Anarchy where a little girl gets raped. The girl wasn't even that important, she wasn't even one of the main characters, she was just some girl. Now, what the Sons did when they found out was they tracked the guy down, beat the shit out of him and his friends, cut off his balls with a pocket knife and buried him alive in the woods, unmarked grave. Justice was served!! Which is totally the opposite of what happens in Zero, for example. The girl gets raped and the rapist only gets a suspension, and the first thing he does when he comes back to school is mock the girl about... I heard the same thing happened in Chisa x Pon, the rapist and the main character become buddy-buddy... Maybe I wouldn't feel so aggravated about this if the issue wasn't taken so lightly... Or maybe rape is just more of an offence in western countries, I don't know...

Lol this may come too a suprise too you, but sex and rape in japan is actually kinda low right now, because most guys rather have sex with an anime blow up doll of there favorite anime girl than go out and get the real thing lol. TRUE STORY.

itachi29al · 2009-11-22, 20:39

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Lol this may come too a suprise too you, but sex and rape in japan is actually kinda low right now, because most guys rather have sex with an anime blow up doll of there favorite anime girl than go out and get the real thing lol. TRUE STORY.

LOL, i remember hearing that. The sex crime rate in Japan is remarkably low, like one of the lowest worldwide. An article stated that because Japan has some of the weirdest fetish porn and is overall very accepting of people individual turn-ons they say that the people dont feel the need to act out by breaking the law. Society is already accepting and providing the the strange services they feel necessary so they need not do illegal thing to achieve their thrill. Kinda ironic really, the larger a country accepts perversion the less sexual violence their is. Amway that is way off topic, but i for one dont mind the additions of these scenes just so long as they server a purpose. If they are just shown then forgotten and or not expand i wonder what was the point? So as long as this all plays a role later down the line i dont mind. Im more concerned with a good story above all else, even if it causes pain to the fictional characters in the story.

Who · 2009-11-22, 21:01

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Lol this may come too a suprise too you, but sex and rape in japan is actually kinda low right now, because most guys rather have sex with an anime blow up doll of there favorite anime girl than go out and get the real thing lol. TRUE STORY.

Or one of those dating sims. Read an article on Yahoo about the rest of America (who don't watch anime) find out about this and it's funny seeing their reactions. About a few days ago, here's the article:

http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:yaho...-too-far?ccs=1

evil|plushie · 2009-11-22, 21:22

I think it's more because sex crimes rarely get reported in Japan because of the stigma. A few years back, there was this huge scandal where some guys from a prestigious college had formed some sort of club that would try and get girls drunk during parties and then lead them away somewhere and gangrape them. This apparently went on for a few years before it was reported and they were caught. And the telling thing is that when they were caught, more than a few politicians and so on blamed the victims instead of the criminals.

Dark Mage · 2009-11-23, 02:16

Just saw chapter 14 and even though I cant read japanese, this is what I thought of the chapter.

Spoiler for chapter 14:

I hope someone who can read japanese and took a peek at the raws, would kindly give a proper summary for the chapter

Waven · 2009-11-23, 02:27

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Just saw chapter 14 and even though I cant read japanese, this is what I thought of the chapter.

Spoiler for chapter 14:

I hope someone who can read japanese and took a peek at the raws, would kindly give a proper summary for the chapter

Spoiler for :

Dark Mage · 2009-11-23, 05:47

@Waven, I completely agree with you about what you said about Utsumi, and my liking for him grows by the chapter as I can see how he matures with each chapter and experience. I have been trying to prove that Utsumi is much better and different than typical pansy, indecisive, moronic, perverted protagonists that we normally see in mangas of this genre. I was arguing about this point for a big while in another forum with a member who doesnt like Utsumi and sees him as a very general character just like any other typical male protagonists and despite me saying and giving him alot of proofs he refuses to budge from his opinions. LoL. Anyways, abot chapter 13 and 14,

Spoiler for why Utsumi is different:

Can someone please give a summary for chapter 14?

kanon78 · 2009-11-23, 09:15

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Can someone please give a summary for chapter 14?

Yes please! This manga keeps just getting better and better. I am really glad about the way Utsumi took Shou's rejection and hopefully something nice will grow gradually between him and Yuki. It would be really nice if Utsumi can help&support Yuki when her ex boyfriend comes back into the picture and become her tower of strenght at that time.

Rainrir · 2009-11-23, 12:49

DUN DUN DUN!

A New Challenger Appears!

Well, not really. OR IS IT?

Spoilers for Chapter 14

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Dark Mage · 2009-11-23, 13:32

@Rainrir, thanks for the summary. Utsumi, deciding to take things in stride is a sign of maturity and I think you are right that it might have gained him some points from Yuki. I hope the next few chapters reveal a bit more about Yuki's past and wonder when or if Yuki and Utsumi will start to have feelings for one another? Yeah Eri starting to like or chasing after Utsumi might actually be a good thing because so far in the manga, its Utsumi who has done the chasing(shou), its Utsumi who is in the "Friend-Zone" with Yuki, so it needs Utsumi to be chased by a girl for a change, LoL

-Sho- · 2009-11-25, 17:05

Finally chapter 10 :

Ow , so it was for that . The blond girl wanted to lost her virginity because of some dudes .
She looks hot imo .
Shou seems to have some feelings for Utsumi .
Hmmm , Yuki is a mystery , so she give advices to the others , somethings must happens to her .
I have my thoughts for that .

Xagzan · 2009-11-25, 19:35

I especially enjoyed the cover page. And that aside, Eri is pretty cute. Anyway, it's kind of cool to Utsumi giving the same advice Yuki gives. It's like the student becomes the teacher. Although it seems a bit soon for that. We're only 10 chapters in.

TrueKnight · 2009-11-26, 01:12

So chapter 10, slutty girl's attitude was a given but seriously wtf she's still a virgin?? Now that's a surprise.

And wow I was about to bitch on Utsumi again when I thought he would went running and crying like a pussy when Shou found him foreplaying with the slut girl.... turns out flat out different than I expected. He handles things cool and suddenly he's like doctor Phil from Oprah Winfrey giving cheesy love advices, well at least that's a start. Now with Shou realizing her feelings maybe she'll get over her senior's obsession and finally will open up to Utsumi's advance. But dude still has a long way to go explaining the misunderstanding while Yuki remains a wild ball with no direction whatsoever.

Still think Utsumi suck to a degree, but this change is also a pleasant surprise.

And seriously wtf Dark Mage, when you answer Rainrir's post please put it in spoiler tags or through PMs. I realize it contains spoilers but lucky enough stop on the first paragraph. Some of us want to reserve our judgment by reading the show ourselves.

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Rainrir Tin Can Join Date: Nov 2009	Wow! you do read some obscure stuff, but isn't rape averted in Junk - Record of the Last Hero? I cannot remember all of it, I read it way back. It certainly didn't happen in REC, unless you know something I don't (then again i haven't read past volume 6). If you are refering to that incident, its not really cheating because she was essentially emotionally coherced into it and it did not actually come to pass. Golden Boy....is just Golden Boy. I don't know how to describe that manga. It was on...Ultra Jump I think. HImuro Serika is a woman, just by looking at the name alone seems to indicate she is a lady...unless its some alias. Then again my japanese is not at the level where I can tell apart more unusual names with one glance.... Spoiler: Anyway the fallout for Shou is greater than Yuki's . But its not that great from what I see (not kannagi levels), there are many reasonable posts on 2ch and other blogs I see around that understands what Shou did. I suppose its because the general audience is a little more restrained or mature? I dunno. We are derailling the thread already, we gotta focus back to the manga itself. Its about time this week's Shounen Sunday hits the shelves. So I am going to go check out what happens in Chapter 14 . I cannot believe I forgot Shounen Magazine comes out on Wednesdays (though some places get them as early as Monday/Tuesday) and that GE is on that...not Shounen Sunday. As I said, lets not derail the discussion...but I get the feeling these few posts will be the last for some time...until the raws come out... Last edited by Rainrir; 2009-11-26 at 11:11.

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aliasxn Eye for an Eye Join Date: Apr 2008	The thing I hate the most about rapes in manga, in addition to the actual rape, is the fact that it usually goes unpunished. Like the girl just got mugged or something, like it was a petty crime... That's what really pisses the hell out of me. For instance, there is an episode of Sons of Anarchy where a little girl gets raped. The girl wasn't even that important, she wasn't even one of the main characters, she was just some girl. Now, what the Sons did when they found out was they tracked the guy down, beat the shit out of him and his friends, cut off his balls with a pocket knife and buried him alive in the woods, unmarked grave. Justice was served!! Which is totally the opposite of what happens in Zero, for example. The girl gets raped and the rapist only gets a suspension, and the first thing he does when he comes back to school is mock the girl about it... I heard the same thing happened in Chisa x Pon, the rapist and the main character become buddy-buddy... Maybe I wouldn't feel so aggravated about this if the issue wasn't treated so lightly... Or maybe rape is just more of an offence in western countries, I don't know... Last edited by aliasxn; 2009-11-22 at 20:03.

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evil\|plushie The Last Frontier Join Date: Apr 2004	I think it's more because sex crimes rarely get reported in Japan because of the stigma. A few years back, there was this huge scandal where some guys from a prestigious college had formed some sort of club that would try and get girls drunk during parties and then lead them away somewhere and gangrape them. This apparently went on for a few years before it was reported and they were caught. And the telling thing is that when they were caught, more than a few politicians and so on blamed the victims instead of the criminals. __________________ God is on the side with the biggest cannon. http://sining83.blogspot.com

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Dark Mage Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008	Just saw chapter 14 and even though I cant read japanese, this is what I thought of the chapter. Spoiler for chapter 14: It seemed like Utsumi got over being dumped by Shou much more quickly and better than I expected. Atleast Utsumi didnt seem to be moping around about being dumped. I think Yuki compliments him about something and at the end Eri saw Yuki and Utsumi getting along with each other and she said something to Utsumi that made him think about Yuki. My guess would be, Eri said something like Utsumi might be in ove with Yuki or something. I migh be wrong though as I cant read the language. I hope someone who can read japanese and took a peek at the raws, would kindly give a proper summary for the chapter __________________ Signature stolen by a horde of carnivorous bunnies. It is an unscientifically proven fact that they are attracted to signatures which break the signature rules.

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Dark Mage Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008	@Waven, I completely agree with you about what you said about Utsumi, and my liking for him grows by the chapter as I can see how he matures with each chapter and experience. I have been trying to prove that Utsumi is much better and different than typical pansy, indecisive, moronic, perverted protagonists that we normally see in mangas of this genre. I was arguing about this point for a big while in another forum with a member who doesnt like Utsumi and sees him as a very general character just like any other typical male protagonists and despite me saying and giving him alot of proofs he refuses to budge from his opinions. LoL. Anyways, abot chapter 13 and 14, Spoiler for why Utsumi is different: He takes everything in good grace, though he still feels the heartbreak. I suppose "loser guy" here is alot less "loser-ish" than alot of the people I know( like a certain Yamato or Haruto). I once again liked the calm and mature Utsumi. He presumes/knows that he can't blame Shou and reassures her, although he is deeply hurt. I can deeply relate to that. It's impressive how natural Utsumi and his reaction are. but he accepted it wished good luck to shou, and when she wasnt there he finally cried... crying is also good, it doenst make u less of a man. Can someone please give a summary for chapter 14? __________________ Signature stolen by a horde of carnivorous bunnies. It is an unscientifically proven fact that they are attracted to signatures which break the signature rules. Last edited by Dark Mage; 2009-11-26 at 03:30.

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Darknemo2000 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lithuania Age: 39	Personally, I consider Chisa x Pon to be a Josei rather than seinen. It seems that it is more orietanted towards females raher than males, and the fact that it was more poplar among females than males seem to confirm that... Maybe because of the wrong label it lacks english audience attention (translators wise) - as male audience is not very interested, while females do not bother with somethig marked as seinen even if content wise it is more of a josei to tell the truth... I think it's author (also the author of B-shock) is a female too and did Josei's in her past, so I am really unsure about marking it as seinen. I would call it either josei or neutral mature like B-shock. Knights is the wrong tittle too, because Euphemia is not main love interest. She is a side character and her sex scenes are side-character sex scenes that we see rather often in seinens. Golden Boy does not have a main girl character to begin with. All of the girl characters are side characters. It only has main hero and not heroine so it does not match too. Love Junkies - is a borderline on hentai. It is more adult rather than a seinen and just like in Golden Boy the link is mostly the main guy character... REC - does not have a sex scene unless you know something else than I do. It almost happened but it didn't so just like in Gekkoh's case it is close but not really there. And the girl wasn't even whoreing herself out like Gekkoh heroine does on regular basis. Yellow Heart was so random that it was hard to even understand who are main characters and what is connecting plot. It was one of the worst storytelling examples I have ever seen. And the author is, surprise, female again... In Mon Seul the girl is not main love interest but rather a sister... so it does not count as well. I haven't read much of other titles to tell the truth, but so far your categorization seems to be off to me.

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ZODDGUTS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005	Yeah that's one of the things that annoys me in manga/anime the crime goes unpunished. Like in Princess Lover for example the guy who killed the main character parents goes unpunished instead the main character forgives him.

2009-11-23, 12:49	Link #196
Rainrir Tin Can Join Date: Nov 2009	DUN DUN DUN! A New Challenger Appears! Well, not really. OR IS IT? Spoilers for Chapter 14 Spoiler: Utsumi is actually pretty unhappy and still hurting from the incident. But he decides to act all normal to everyone, let go of the past and takes things in stride after he sees Shou again. He forgave Shou (or at least Shou feels he forgave her). Utsumi reflects on the feelings and thoughts he had on his first love...and first heartbreak. Yuki congratulates him on his growth and....Utsumi's relationship value with Yuki probably increased a little (?) there (especially on that joke...It was only a joke....OR WAS IT?). Finally the guy friends are involved in the story. Unlike what some people said, he does have buddies to talk to...However, his friends aren't exactly the type that one asks for love advice from (one is a playboy, the other is...not so lucky with women...and is a major pervert.) Anyway they prove why they are his friends and do their part to cheer Utsumi up. Eri joins the group and karaoke hijinks ensue. (It seem like a requirement in japanese romantic comediess to have a karaoke bar scene......sorta true in real life too actually...). I think Eri doesn't seem to know Yuki's past too nor does she actually knows Yuki very well it seems? Eri tries to tell Utsumi to put the moves on Yuki and suggests maybe Yuki likes him more than a friend. Despite her being the one urging Utsumi to Yuki, I get the weird feeling she is trying to test him out on how he feels about Yuki (the meeting in the hall is staged after all)....Maybe she will REALLY be the thrid column that comes from nowhere later. Anyway, for now Shou is probably out of the romantic picture....but this might not be permanent! Seems like a breather chapter after all the stormy happenings of the past few chapters. But a plot hook comes in the sense that Utsumi is starting to wonder what exactly happened to Yuki for her to want to help him...... Last edited by Rainrir; 2009-11-23 at 13:43.

2009-11-23, 13:32	Link #197
Dark Mage Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008	@Rainrir, thanks for the summary. Utsumi, deciding to take things in stride is a sign of maturity and I think you are right that it might have gained him some points from Yuki. I hope the next few chapters reveal a bit more about Yuki's past and wonder when or if Yuki and Utsumi will start to have feelings for one another? Yeah Eri starting to like or chasing after Utsumi might actually be a good thing because so far in the manga, its Utsumi who has done the chasing(shou), its Utsumi who is in the "Friend-Zone" with Yuki, so it needs Utsumi to be chased by a girl for a change, LoL __________________ Signature stolen by a horde of carnivorous bunnies. It is an unscientifically proven fact that they are attracted to signatures which break the signature rules.

2009-11-25, 17:05	Link #198
-Sho- ~Omedetô~ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Somewhere between heaven and hell !	Finally chapter 10 : Ow , so it was for that . The blond girl wanted to lost her virginity because of some dudes . She looks hot imo . Shou seems to have some feelings for Utsumi . Hmmm , Yuki is a mystery , so she give advices to the others , somethings must happens to her . I have my thoughts for that .

2009-11-25, 19:35	Link #199
Xagzan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	I especially enjoyed the cover page. And that aside, Eri is pretty cute. Anyway, it's kind of cool to Utsumi giving the same advice Yuki gives. It's like the student becomes the teacher. Although it seems a bit soon for that. We're only 10 chapters in.

2009-11-26, 01:12	Link #200
TrueKnight Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004	So chapter 10, slutty girl's attitude was a given but seriously wtf she's still a virgin?? Now that's a surprise. And wow I was about to bitch on Utsumi again when I thought he would went running and crying like a pussy when Shou found him foreplaying with the slut girl.... turns out flat out different than I expected. He handles things cool and suddenly he's like doctor Phil from Oprah Winfrey giving cheesy love advices, well at least that's a start. Now with Shou realizing her feelings maybe she'll get over her senior's obsession and finally will open up to Utsumi's advance. But dude still has a long way to go explaining the misunderstanding while Yuki remains a wild ball with no direction whatsoever. Still think Utsumi suck to a degree, but this change is also a pleasant surprise. And seriously wtf Dark Mage, when you answer Rainrir's post please put it in spoiler tags or through PMs. I realize it contains spoilers but lucky enough stop on the first paragraph. Some of us want to reserve our judgment by reading the show ourselves.