2010-12-28, 00:38 | Link #121 |
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that thing literally 'shoots' any incoming missile, am i correct? i think this thing is part of the system like the Phalanx CIWS...
oh Beretta doesnt make the 93R anymore? oh 4 the M1911 fans, what do ya think of the notable clones of Kimber Custom and AMT (thank God for the AMT1911 4 christmas)?
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2010-12-28, 02:53 | Link #122 | |||
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It should be noted that the US Army created a land-based variant of the Phalanx for defensive use in Iraq, to intercept mortars shells and artillery rockets bearing down on American bases. Quote:
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As for Kimber pistols, while not having fired any of them, I've heard quite a lot of good things about them - one of their models, the Aegis, event went to win a yearly excellence award, which is quite a reward. Kimber is incidentally the designer of the USMC's MEU(SOC) pistol and its follow-on, the ICQB. From what I know both the armed forces and some police departments are quite content with Kimber pistols - the .45ACP has just not lost its popularity and I think the hype will live on for a bit longer.
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2010-12-28, 10:12 | Link #124 | |
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for the AMT, my uncle has the normal hardballer and when i had my way with 7 magazines with it, it started to not like me anymore... screw those who dun like .45ACP! classic is still the best, although the original M1911 was said to be heavier due to its steel frame. as of right now, inside my closet, theres a silver custom II in a square case, tho i kinda dunno on how the hell did he manage to send it here in teh phils. oh what about the SA-80? they say its freakin' heavy assault rifle despite its small size but when i faced it, it wasnt that bad....
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2010-12-28, 12:58 | Link #125 | |||
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Did I say it was used to shoot down tactical missiles?
I said it frequently has to face threats like 60mm mortar shells (fired by M224 equivalents) and rockets like Katyushas or homemade models (the kind insurgents use to bombard US bases in Iraq). Scuds most likely have a trajectory that is too highly parabolic and a terminal speed that's too high to be handled by the CIWS (on ships it's no problem since you have to assume the missile is coming straight at you and not at a target that might be several hundred feet away) - Scuds are usually handled by Patriots and the Navy's Standards. Quote:
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Not too long ago, the US Navy shot down a couple drones with their ship-borne version of the THEL but last I had heard they were facing concerns about the optics getting severely damaged by saltwater and possible performance degradation in low-visibility scenarios. Not to mention that the system has yet to fully tackle, head-on, the full threat envelope that the US Navy is likely to face in a modern battlefield (high-speed antiship missiles like the Dong Feng DF-21, low-flying, supersonic planes, et cetera). Quote:
Actually, during OIF most weapons performed okay - but even the renowned AK would be hard-pressed to perform flawlessly in the sudden sandstorms the troops often encountered while moving towards Baghdad (rifles and machine guns would often jam after one burst due to the talcum-fine dust/sand that litterally enters everything it can get into).
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2010-12-28, 13:10 | Link #126 | |
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As too the 1911s you mention; Renegade334 was on the nose about the AMT. But you must remember that most of the stainless steel galling was back in the early days (late 60s, early 70s) when machining said metal was in it's infancy! Nowadays it's just not a problem and later production AMTs worked quite well. Kimber made quite a name for themselves when they announced that they would be offering a custom .45 at entry level prices! Well the thing has garnered high praise from both civilian and police alike and when I attended Gunsite a few years ago they were there in the hands of fellow students, and the damned things worked! Beside the Marine MEU-SOC issue it also is standard with the LAPD SWAT too. As for the "hype" about the .45, I think it's rather funny considering that quite a few law enforcement agencies have begun to issue the old bullet! Despite the leaps and bounds that the 9mm or .40 have made. Hype sir? Actually I think it just proves that sometimes you can't change what really works! And yes I carry a .45 (Colt 1911A1) and it's on my CCW permit as one of 2 firearms I carry.
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2010-12-28, 13:17 | Link #127 |
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Well, one thing that makes police officers and soldiers go back to the M1911 is the fact that the .45ACP caliber is judged to be more effective than anything else, with a good balance between recoil, accuracy and stopping power. It's heavy and fast enough to knock down any target - with the help of a hollow-tip or not. The M1911 is also "thin" enough for concealed carry, whereas double-stack magazines create more noticeable bulges (I dunno about the Para-Ordnance P14-45, though) that are not always appreciated by plainclothes agents.
I believe .45ACP is also the caliber that can trigger hydrostatic shock the best, which is no small advantage when you are in the field and want a target to go down, either right upon impact...or later.
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2010-12-28, 14:07 | Link #128 | |
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used a normal M1911 and a UMP against wood and cinder block... and GEH... now i know why police forces use 9mm... the magazine drop on the SA80... i experienced that... my very first facepalm involving an assault rifle.. NEVER AGAIN... ya hear me?! NEVER!!!!! the original CZ75 really doesnt meet my specs. the compact is more of my style... what you guys think of it? ah yes, the patriot missile... that thing isnt called Patriot for nothing... oh btw can the CIWS take on an MIRV anti-ship missile? (i dunno if its really true as anti-ship missiles i know of are just cruise missiles and fighter jet based munitions like the harpoon missile)
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2010-12-28, 14:33 | Link #129 | |
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I've never heard of ICBMs and SLBMs carrying antiship missiles as MIRVs (MIRVs do not have rocket engine - though they can more or less redirect their trajectory during reentry to confuse enemy antimissile systems like the Patriot or the high-hitting GBI) - it'd be a very odd (and prohibitively expensive) way to deliver tactical weapons. I mean, what's the point in strapping a Harpoon or an Exocet to a Minuteman or a Trident D5? I should nevertheless concede that the US Navy and DARPA are currently considering a project called ArcLight, which basically is a strange marriage between a MIRV-equivalent and a cruise missile; they plan to use a derivative of the Standard SM-3 and refit it with a detachable, supersonic, 200-300lbs explosive warhead/glider. If the program is not trashcanned like so many others, it could boast a 2,300 miles range capability, be launchable from either ship, submarine or bomber and offer a viable replacement for the Tomahawk (though I wonder whether the 200-300lbs warhead would be enough to replace the Tomahawk's 1,000lbs of PBXN-107). And as for the earlier question, technically the CIWS can tackle the problem - they're programmed to face threats like the Dong Feng DF-21, the Exocet or the Sunburn, though the appearance of super/hypersonic missiles like the BrahMos could force the US Navy to prefer the SeaRAM, which is nothing more than a Phalanx CIWS that had its Vulcan cannon swapped with a RIM-116 RAM missile box. P.S. Maybe we (starting with me, my bad) should cut a bit on the military talk - this topic is supposed to revolve around guns, after all...
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2010-12-28, 22:21 | Link #132 | |
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i mean that once the missile fires, and at a few distances, the warhead breaks open and launches several smaller warheads and those warheads head to the ship armed with CIWS... well if it can, cool... but i think it'd be damn expensive just to do that... im not sure if an anti ship missile that uses parabolic trajectory will effectively destroy the target tho... guys... about the FAL... is it still a good weapon? faced it in full auto, and it really behaved like a bitch... no, more like a bitch that just wants to kill the person who murdered her father. five magazines were spent and i went back to the hotel with a very sore shoulder and arm... well its bitchiness is prolly better than M14...
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2010-12-28, 22:35 | Link #133 |
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From what I've read ZeKeR, the FAL and G-3 are still used in places like Africa and the middle east. Personally I would think that in an open area like the desert that a 7.62 rifle would be preferred for it's long reach!
And not all FALs are select fire. The British L1A1 for example was reconfigured to be only semi-auto (just like the later modified M-14s) due to controlability issues! Now what's your opinion on the HK G-3? I don't think much was said about this rifle.
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when i had a go with it, i kinda no like its RoF tho, but i can say i really is HP rifle. recoil is kinda acceptable. its also easier to pull the charging handle unlike the SA80 and the AK47. this summer, im gonna have a go with the IMI Galil... wonder why they say its heavy....
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On a separate note, I don't see why some shooters nowadays want to use full-auto with 7.62 rifles, unless it's for kicks (pun intended), it's a actually lightweight machine gun, it has a particularly well-performing recoil mitigator system or boasts a low rate of fire (thus reducing the loss of control, like on the M60). It's a grievous waste of money IMHO and nowadays, all soldiers learn how to save ammo instead of spraying it all around.
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2010-12-29, 04:06 | Link #136 | |
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well they say that its a challenge if you can tame full auto... high grade weapons that use the 7.62x51 NATO are SURE to be warshocked... hell try holding an M14 in full auto... and see... the glory of soreness in random fire... i'd take its M1A version any day... or the newest FN SCAR H...
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2010-12-29, 04:21 | Link #137 | |
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My father used to own a Lithgow L1A1 SLR before the Port Arthur massacre but was forced to hand it in after said incident. Before I was old enough to appreciate firearms of course. Still got one of the magazines for it too. As for thoughts on the G3, it's quite possibly my favourite firearm. Oh the things I'd do to own one in Australia...
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2010-12-29, 10:25 | Link #138 |
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^ From what I've read the G-3 is much more reliable than the FAL. And accuracy is about the same? I have stated it elsewhere that in a true SHTF situation that I prefer a .30 cal rifle! Be it 30/30 or 7.62x39 or 308. Those calibers just give you a lot more flexibility and range to work with.
As for 5.56/.223, mines for sale! Think I'll get me a nice SMLE in .303!
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2010-12-29, 19:50 | Link #139 | |
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G3 fires a bit slow for my taste... and i'd want to have a go at the Swiss SG552 for that...
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2010-12-29, 21:53 | Link #140 |
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With a 7.62mm rifle, is there really a pressing need for higher automatic fire? My understanding was that even with M16's/M4's they ussually went single shot in most situations. A 7.62 would be even harder to control.
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