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Shiroth · 2006-12-09, 09:44

Its not a NHK story without showing some Kashiwa-senpai flesh thats brought up thanks to Satou's mind.

Göönk · 2006-12-09, 10:26

sugoi sugoi this EP 22. Strange ending though. Looking forward to seeing ep 23.
Well, STRANGE is the word for NHK ni Yookoso.

XeonXV · 2006-12-09, 11:40

haha it was shocking when she said " Satou-kun is now my prisoner " lol i wonder whats gonna happen in 23

Jer · 2006-12-09, 12:32

Poor Satou. A new year with nothing much to hope for. Imo, Misaki is a sweet girl but just too naive and confused. That incident in ep 22 just triggered the 'bad' side of her. It's human nature - when bad thing happens, the first person to blame is God. Well, I can't wait for the next ep. What Misaki need is love. Go Satou!

Shiroth · 2006-12-09, 16:42

Now that more people have seen episode 22, i can finally say my piece.

The first part of the episode directed towards Kashiwa-senpai i believe could have been a lot better. All the way through it was the feeling that they placed here there just for the fact that they need to finish her part of the story, that pissed me off a lot. In the original story, she appears when she is needed for the story, for when Satou needs her. & Kashiwa going to be a mother.. thats just damn right wrong, i really didn't like how that news was just brought up. This means that she had no real reason to mention to affair business 'cause she wasen't unhappy. Wasted if you ask me..

Where they're going with the Misaki part shall be a easy way to end of the show, though i don't like that also. There are many ways they could have done the ending for this show, and making it out that Misaki is a girl who gives up like this so easy isn't that good. I do believe that showing the cats death scene was powerful at showing the nature of the series at this point.

kauldron26 · 2006-12-09, 16:54

wow... i remember when i first started watching this anime i loved it because it was sort of like my favorite movie "American Beauty" downright hilarious yet very, very potent. Now its shades of realism are so daunting and quite depressing. Before i used to look forward to the show so i could laugh my ass off, now i hesitate because i know im going to get an insight on how fucked up life is.... i still love the show, i just feel like the gears that switched between the comical and cynical were so sudden. I dont know if its good or bad, but i know that every episode since the suicide arc feels like blunt force trauma to the heart. which isnt a bad thing... i think...

Göönk · 2006-12-09, 16:57

Misaki has been feeling down for a few episodes now. They went through a lot of things. She sees Satou is not improving, and he lies to her about the drink in the bar, the dead cat, etc... she sees that Satou is not thankful for what she does (she brings the food every days). That's why it's surprising the way she turns into Evil at the end of Ep 22. It's not in the line of the previous episodes. She should be depressed.

Deathkillz · 2006-12-09, 17:51

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Originally Posted by Göönk

Misaki has been feeling down for a few episodes now. They went through a lot of things. She sees Satou is not improving, and he lies to her about the drink in the bar, the dead cat, etc... she sees that Satou is not thankful for what she does (she brings the food every days). That's why it's surprising the way she turns into Evil at the end of Ep 22. It's not in the line of the previous episodes. She should be depressed.

actually its not that satou is ungreatful but rather how misaki feels that she is unwanted and unneeded by anyone ~ i think this has to do with her past experience when she was younger *remembers the flashback*
she thinks that satou is going to slip away from her and its an unbareable fact for her...
she has been clinging onto him ever since the first day they met as she feels that satou is someone that needs her ~ so he can become hikikomori free

AnotherBovine · 2006-12-09, 19:29

hey does anyone know where i can find the music to nhk that has the slow sad guitar.

Shiroth · 2006-12-09, 19:32

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Originally Posted by AnotherBovine

hey does anyone know where i can find the music to nhk that has the slow sad guitar.

Tell me when the tune is played so i know which one you mean, and i'll tell you if it appears on one of the two OST's.

Quajafrie · 2006-12-10, 03:00

I'm pretty sure that she killed the cat.

ryomakun · 2006-12-10, 04:43

yup, she gave the cat the food that satou was suppose to have. she planned to poison satou. hehehe...

Obviously i was just playing along with the lie..

physics223 · 2006-12-10, 06:44

Welcome to the NHK! - 22 Episode Insights and Screenshots

Spoiler:

Shiroth · 2006-12-10, 08:38

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Originally Posted by physics223

Spoiler:

Why in a spoiler tag?

I'll still say that its one of the best this year, though it could have been the best if they went around doing the last Kashiwa scene a lot better.

physics223 · 2006-12-10, 09:13

It was great, in my opinion. I don't think it couldn't have done any better.

Haha ... I wonder ... :|

Shiroth · 2006-12-10, 09:16

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Originally Posted by physics223

It was great, in my opinion. I don't think it couldn't have done any better.

You know deep down it could have, but they lack the time - thats why i believe bringing her back around this time is just a waste. All they wanted to do was finish her of, give her an ending she needed. Kashiwa-senpai shouldn't be used like that.

brandonyoung · 2006-12-10, 09:32

I don't think Misaki's issues are that much of a new revelation. We learned she was a bit messed up at the end of the Offline meeting story when she said she needed him because he was worse than her.

While she is counseling him, she can feel like Satou needs her. She can look down on him and not feel like she is a loser, or the worst person . But if he is every really cured, he won't need her anymore. If he is no longer a hikikomari, he won't be beneath her.

In short, she wants to work on curing Satou, but she doesn't want him cured, because it would destroy his need for her.

--Brandon Young

physics223 · 2006-12-10, 09:57

Shiroth:

That's just the ending you desire ... and as far as things are concerned, Kashiwa was shown to reflect Satou's improvement/maturity in that specific moment. I didn't find anything out of place with her use in the anime; I found it quite moving that Satou's an altruistic soul. I know you want more from Kashiwa and Satou, but I think that was the among the best things they could have done.

Shiroth · 2006-12-10, 10:09

What i desire has nothing to do with how the show is ended - i have said already, i like the direction the Misaki side of the story/ending is going. Its a good idea.

Also, i have never said i want more from Kashiwa & Satou side of the story. i never had & never shall, its just that Kashiwa is a major part of the story that shouldn't be wasted like she was in episode 22. I really liked how Satou is looking at the situation of no Yamazaki & no Kashiwa, that makes sense - its just the whole Kashiwa meet-up. It could have been 100 times better.

physics223 · 2006-12-10, 10:18

Oh. It could have been more of a coincidence, you mean?

2006-12-09, 09:44	Link #1221
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Its not a NHK story without showing some Kashiwa-senpai flesh thats brought up thanks to Satou's mind. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2006-12-09, 16:42	Link #1225
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Now that more people have seen episode 22, i can finally say my piece. The first part of the episode directed towards Kashiwa-senpai i believe could have been a lot better. All the way through it was the feeling that they placed here there just for the fact that they need to finish her part of the story, that pissed me off a lot. In the original story, she appears when she is needed for the story, for when Satou needs her. & Kashiwa going to be a mother.. thats just damn right wrong, i really didn't like how that news was just brought up. This means that she had no real reason to mention to affair business 'cause she wasen't unhappy. Wasted if you ask me.. Where they're going with the Misaki part shall be a easy way to end of the show, though i don't like that also. There are many ways they could have done the ending for this show, and making it out that Misaki is a girl who gives up like this so easy isn't that good. I do believe that showing the cats death scene was powerful at showing the nature of the series at this point. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2006-12-10, 06:44	Link #1233
physics223 In the Tatami Galaxy ↓ Join Date: Feb 2006	Welcome to the NHK! - 22 Episode Insights and Screenshots Spoiler: I'm going to take a risk and say that NHK ni Youkoso! is one of the best series this year has. It somewhat makes one restore their faith in the power of GONZO. __________________ anime\|otaku - hypotheses, analyses, and musings on The Tatami Galaxy \|\| The REAL first handheld console with color!

2006-12-10, 09:13	Link #1235
physics223 In the Tatami Galaxy ↓ Join Date: Feb 2006	It was great, in my opinion. I don't think it couldn't have done any better. Haha ... I wonder ... :\| __________________ anime\|otaku - hypotheses, analyses, and musings on The Tatami Galaxy \|\| The REAL first handheld console with color!

2006-12-10, 09:57	Link #1238
physics223 In the Tatami Galaxy ↓ Join Date: Feb 2006	Shiroth: That's just the ending you desire ... and as far as things are concerned, Kashiwa was shown to reflect Satou's improvement/maturity in that specific moment. I didn't find anything out of place with her use in the anime; I found it quite moving that Satou's an altruistic soul. I know you want more from Kashiwa and Satou, but I think that was the among the best things they could have done. __________________ anime\|otaku - hypotheses, analyses, and musings on The Tatami Galaxy \|\| The REAL first handheld console with color!

2006-12-09, 10:26	Link #1222
Göönk Macross fan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: France	sugoi sugoi this EP 22. Strange ending though. Looking forward to seeing ep 23. Well, STRANGE is the word for NHK ni Yookoso.

2006-12-09, 11:40	Link #1223
XeonXV Elite Join Date: Dec 2006	haha it was shocking when she said " Satou-kun is now my prisoner " lol i wonder whats gonna happen in 23

2006-12-09, 12:32	Link #1224
Jer (((( _°Д°)))~hwat!? Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Malaysia Age: 37	Poor Satou. A new year with nothing much to hope for. Imo, Misaki is a sweet girl but just too naive and confused. That incident in ep 22 just triggered the 'bad' side of her. It's human nature - when bad thing happens, the first person to blame is God. Well, I can't wait for the next ep. What Misaki need is love. Go Satou!

2006-12-09, 16:54	Link #1226
kauldron26 Med Student Join Date: Jul 2006 Age: 40	wow... i remember when i first started watching this anime i loved it because it was sort of like my favorite movie "American Beauty" downright hilarious yet very, very potent. Now its shades of realism are so daunting and quite depressing. Before i used to look forward to the show so i could laugh my ass off, now i hesitate because i know im going to get an insight on how fucked up life is.... i still love the show, i just feel like the gears that switched between the comical and cynical were so sudden. I dont know if its good or bad, but i know that every episode since the suicide arc feels like blunt force trauma to the heart. which isnt a bad thing... i think...

2006-12-09, 16:57	Link #1227
Göönk Macross fan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: France	Misaki has been feeling down for a few episodes now. They went through a lot of things. She sees Satou is not improving, and he lies to her about the drink in the bar, the dead cat, etc... she sees that Satou is not thankful for what she does (she brings the food every days). That's why it's surprising the way she turns into Evil at the end of Ep 22. It's not in the line of the previous episodes. She should be depressed.

2006-12-09, 19:29	Link #1229
AnotherBovine Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Spain right now	hey does anyone know where i can find the music to nhk that has the slow sad guitar.

2006-12-10, 03:00	Link #1231
Quajafrie Not here anymore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 32	I'm pretty sure that she killed the cat.

2006-12-10, 04:43	Link #1232
ryomakun Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	yup, she gave the cat the food that satou was suppose to have. she planned to poison satou. hehehe... Obviously i was just playing along with the lie..

2006-12-10, 09:32	Link #1237
brandonyoung Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006	I don't think Misaki's issues are that much of a new revelation. We learned she was a bit messed up at the end of the Offline meeting story when she said she needed him because he was worse than her. While she is counseling him, she can feel like Satou needs her. She can look down on him and not feel like she is a loser, or the worst person . But if he is every really cured, he won't need her anymore. If he is no longer a hikikomari, he won't be beneath her. In short, she wants to work on curing Satou, but she doesn't want him cured, because it would destroy his need for her. --Brandon Young

2006-12-10, 10:09	Link #1239
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	What i desire has nothing to do with how the show is ended - i have said already, i like the direction the Misaki side of the story/ending is going. Its a good idea. Also, i have never said i want more from Kashiwa & Satou side of the story. i never had & never shall, its just that Kashiwa is a major part of the story that shouldn't be wasted like she was in episode 22. I really liked how Satou is looking at the situation of no Yamazaki & no Kashiwa, that makes sense - its just the whole Kashiwa meet-up. It could have been 100 times better. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2006-12-10, 10:18	Link #1240
physics223 In the Tatami Galaxy ↓ Join Date: Feb 2006	Oh. It could have been more of a coincidence, you mean? __________________ anime\|otaku - hypotheses, analyses, and musings on The Tatami Galaxy \|\| The REAL first handheld console with color!