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Very well. What you propose is a possibility, but I don't find it convincing because:
1. It's not a very dependable method considering that its effectiveness highly depends on, well, everything. Or do you think that Kyubey actively influence the circumstances surrounding Madoka? 2. I can't find a point of distinction that separates this method from what other magical familiars in other shows do, or the progression in any other shows featuring an inconvenient truth. What makes this one torture and the others not?
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In fact, I think he is very limited in what he can do. Kyubey himself said he must obey some "rules." My theory works best when the relevant rule is as follows: 1) Kyubey cannot directly influence his contractor's choice. However, he can recruit whoever he wants. Under this very restrictive system, all Kyubey can do is show up and hope that people die around Madoka, causing her enough guilt. He can recruit others (such as Sayaka) in the hopes that they influence Madoka's decision. Of course, the rules are completely unknown, so this is speculation. All we know is that some "rules" exist. Quote:
Well, the mascots in other shows consider human emotion in their pleas, and show emotions themselves. Kyubey is more like "Do you wish to become a magical girl? Press 1 for yes, 2 for no, and 3 to learn more." Also, the familiars in other shows would probably be very sad to see people dying (if their clients refused their offer). Kyubey has shown no remorse... frankly, no emotions at all. |
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2011-02-23, 02:24 | Link #444 |
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I was just thinking... Kyubey sais Homura was an irregularity because, among other things, he couldn't predict her actions. This implies he somehow is able to predict what other magical girls/potential magical girls are going to do.
If he does have such ability, then manipulating events and situations to serve his interests wouldn't take any sort of super powers, just some clever ideas and some sweet talking. I do believe he operates this way. I think there's already a good amount of clues pointing that way.
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I think Kyubey intends for the distress to follow him where ever he goes, so his clients will have something driving them to become Puella Magi. However, he is not in direct control of witches; he just hopes they attack. Quote:
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1. Kyubey, sensing a great potential in Madoka, wants to recruit her. 2. He knows that with the knowledge he presents her would come distress, but hey, its his task. (Note that this doesn't mean that he wants Madoka to be distressed. Magical creatures from other shows obviously knows that they are bringing distress; they are recruiting girls to fight monsters, after all) 3. On her way to contact Madoka, he's attacked by Homura. Desperate, he establishes a telephatic contact. 4. He presents the term and information about being a magical girl to Madoka. Madoka is actually wiling. Things are going great until... 5. Shit happens that he couldn't predict. Madoka becomes unwilling. 6. Sayaka is willing, so Kyubey recruits her. (note that after this point, Kyubey's interaction with Madoka is minimal as he stays with Sayaka) 7. Kyubey stays with Sayaka as part of her initiation. Meanwhile he still wishes that Madoka would change her mind because of her potential. Assuming that he indeed has some sort of psychic ability to know what the girls going to do, don't you think that he'd do a better job at putting himself and the whole magical girl thing in a better light? Avoiding the whole Soul Gem revelation, for example.
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2011-02-23, 03:43 | Link #448 | |
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Well, he simply needs to avoid anything that would be upsetting, even without knowing why.
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2011-02-23, 07:34 | Link #450 |
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まずわ魔法。この世界にわ魔法少女をスカウトする妖精がいるの。その妖精と契約した少女は魔力の源ソウルヅ ェムを生み出す。
"Firstly, about magic. In this world, Fairies scout for magical girls. The source of magical power for the girls that have contracted with the Fairies originate from the Soul Gem." This would immediately have us put to a place where we seriously need to question about the degree of autonomy for Kyuubee, if we go by conventional usage of Fairies. @MeoTwister5: I want volume 2 very badly so all of a sudden.
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In any case, that fairy status doesn't really help us in determining Kyubey's intention. After all, one doesn't need to be the Devil to be malevolent, and faeries are actually often depicted as quite cruel. Well, Sol Falling has a theory in another thread that Kyubey is actually a hive organism.
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But some of us have come to the conclusion that Kyube uses some power from the girl's soul to make her wish, which would explain why a girl's special power is related to her wish. Without that contract, there would be no wish... and thus no special power. Also, without the soul in a gem, a girl is considerably more vulnerable; they are walking into a shootout without a bulletproof vest. One good hit, and they are toast. On the Fairy note, I wouldn't read too much into specifics. I'm leaning on the "it's just a way to note a magical creature" side currently. There have been many fairies in stories, none of which stole babies, both western shows and anime (and video games). However, what this does confirm, is that Kyube is not a devil nor an angel, which would be the extreme of magical creatures on the morality spectrum. It also lets us know there are more of him around, which implies that the witch problem is wide-spread. |
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At number 6, I would also like to note that Kyubey can sense potential in number 1. Therefore, he knows how powerful (or weak) Sayaka can become. Perhaps Kyubey foresaw that Sayaka would be in danger if she chose to become a Puella Magi, and is trying to tempt Madoka into wishing to protect her friend. Summing that up, Kyubey is using Sayaka as bait. |
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2011-02-23, 15:46 | Link #457 | |
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BTW, I wonder whose POV this manga panel is? Is it QB's? Homura's maybe? I wonder....
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Well, 妖精 (yousei) is more specific, though. Generally is not used to describe demons, demoted angels or spirits of the dead.
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Using what little freedom he has, Kyubey can use Sayaka's lack of experience as a reason to command her. Even though Kyubey suggested that Sayaka not turn herself into a crazed zombie, it is a little suspicious that he would inform Sayaka of that possibility. I think Kyubey knew that Sayaka was going to snap, but can justify to one angry Madoka that he tried dissuading Sayaka otherwise. Hope those sentences were not too hard to read. While Kyubey has been very meticulous in not overstepping his boundaries, I cannot help but feel some anger at his methods. Spoiler for Episode 7 - Kyubey tortures Sayaka:
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However, the anime's constant deconstruction of previously held conceptions makes me think Kyubey's identity will not be so clear-cut. Last edited by Deconstructor; 2011-02-23 at 17:24. Reason: Compelling video. |
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Also it's shame Kaijo got a banned I would've loved to hear what had to say about this...
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