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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 16 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 16 | 20.51% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 16 | 20.51% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 24 | 30.77% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 16 | 20.51% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 3.85% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.56% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.28% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2008-01-31, 17:06 | Link #21 |
In R'lyeh where he dreams
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Last time I checked, Blutsauger was still in the Seireiden at the end of Season 1. Shana couldn't have been holding it in her coat.
Is there some sort of theme to the colors that the three were portrayed in? Shana in Red Yuji in Blue Kazumi in Yellow Hecate at the end seems to have a bit of Konoe's behavior regarding the bird but who knows? |
2008-01-31, 17:44 | Link #22 | ||
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Anyway I'm liking the new OP but could they move the story a little faster. We've been waiting a long time for this...
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2008-01-31, 17:56 | Link #24 | |
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Anyway, I think people are starting to criticize Kazumi for the sake for it and not paying attention to what she has to say (and just classifying it into the whining department). After all Pheles only fueled her worries, gave her a roundabout solution(summoning Pheles in exchange for her life doesn't sounds like something would be willing to do at the blink of an eyey ) and furthermore she was presented for the first time to the phenomena of having one's existence erased, so I'd say this is just about enough for a normal human to be in mental turmoil (which is what Yoshida is supposed to represent, don't blame the messenger for the message )
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2008-01-31, 18:14 | Link #26 | |
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Shana has red to represent the passion and love she feels for Yuji. But it also could represent sin and sacrifice, a foreboding element on what she might have to do. Yuji has blue to represent faith and spiritual innocence he holds despite his current predicament. While blue might also represents a desire for peace, the irony could be the methods used to achieve it. Kazumi has yellow to represent hope but it could also represent deceit or cowardice. Might have to do something about that crucifix Hougu. |
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2008-01-31, 18:30 | Link #27 | |
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I mean...the whole concept of having one's existence erased isn't really grounds for mental turmoil...she has been through several experiences where the threat of death and the concept of one's own mortality has turned up, and she knows fully well about the concept of existence from seeing it with her own eyes. If she didn't understand the implications, it's only because of her own naivette and refusal to face the truth, much as Sakai refused to do so in the first season (which I also felt was painfully stretched out for far too long). If she didn't fully realize the implications of that and her own role until Pheles spelled it out for her, that's her own fault isn't it? The other thing is, even if you need someone to fill that role of conveying that message, Yuuji already filled that role in the 1st half of season 1 and even part of season 2. We don't need to see it again in every one of his friends as they go through the same dilemma. Sure the anime is running out of material, and it's reasonable to have a slow-paced episode after the last 3. But they could easily focus on people with more interesting backgrounds - Pheles, Johan, Rammie, Hecate, etc. etc. They could go back and cover the background of Wilhelmina and the previous war, or Phele's past. There's a lot of good, interesting, and useful material the anime could use. They could even do the calm after the storm-type episode without Yoshida whining every 3 scenes. |
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2008-01-31, 18:51 | Link #28 |
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Interesting that there were blue embers for Yuji in the new OP as Shana has her usual red embers. I wonder if Yuji gets any flaming hair in the coming episodes.
It's also interesting that the 2nd ED has images of the bad guys appearing for the first time. |
2008-01-31, 19:01 | Link #29 | |
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2008-01-31, 20:24 | Link #32 | |
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Just to comment on the new OP, I absolutely loved it, but it doesn't really fit Shana's kind of theme. But if you really listened to KOTOKO's music, she doesn't really do much of that kind of thing. I mean, Mami Kawada's JOINT is comparable to KOTOKO's Suppuration -core-, which isn't really KOTOKO's style. |
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2008-01-31, 22:42 | Link #35 |
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Didn't think i catch the coss-shaped Hougu's name...
Anyways, i noticed that there are some similarities between that particular Hougu and the pendant which Shana has that summons Alastor. Both of them (the Hougu and Shana's pendant), are used for summoning and kills the host. Except that we already know that in Shana's case, she'll be fine because we saw her use it (tenpa jyousai) the last season. So, my question would be that does any one knows that if Yoshida Kazumi will use that Hougu? If yes, will she survive the summon? Many thanks in advance to anyone who can answer the question...
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2008-02-01, 01:22 | Link #36 | ||||
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In any case, I won't disagree that she suffers from truth denial and naivette to some degree... but she has shown those traits since her early character definition. She has shown a definite development throughout the series, but you can still see that she hasn't entirely surpassed her original defects... and I find that entirely believable. Her character is consistant, and yet developing. She hasn't grown suddendly, yet she has shown steady development. Even if the character in question isn't of my entire liking, I find her character description to be quite good (even if the script doesn't benefit her) and that makes me forgive many of her faults. Quote:
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2008-02-01, 03:39 | Link #37 |
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Right, I shall comment on the new OP and ED.
As an I've fan, I am quite disappointed. There's nothing wrong with the singing(to a large extent), but it's the flow and animation that is. The first opening [JOINT] fits in perfectly, many of the scenes are created and matches the song's tempo, making the whole 1.5 minutes so enjoyable and entertaining. However, we can barely see something similar in OP2. Yea, we can call it a change in style and whatever but, the fact remains. It's like, having a opening full of happy faces, and giving it a sad song. That's a bad combination. Despite all the negative things I have said, the opening still far surpasses alot other anime I just have higher expectations, given that the vocalist is KOTOKO. That aside, if we compare BLAZE separately with Being, I am very glad to comment that BLAZE has a lot of potential. Many of KOTOKO's songs are like that. You have to repeat a few times and try to catch on, then start to get "addicted," falling in love with it(BLAZE.) The first 40 second reminds me of Short Circuit(Hmm? Some-what child-ish..), the rest of the other 50 second reminds me of Siren(I don't know why..), except the whole feel is different, in-between happiness and sadness. ED2.. Disregarding animation, I am actually attracted to its creativity and style. Still have to listen a few more times, but for a song with the quality of 192kbps, I am really amazed. Till then, 12/3/08 is the release date of this single, patiently awaiting for loss-less Last edited by Phantasmagoria; 2008-02-01 at 04:14. |
2008-02-01, 04:17 | Link #38 |
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New OP "BLAZE" is OK for me, upon repeated viewings, though "JOINT" is still better. At least we get to see Yuji kick some ass at last as a way to make up for being a helpless wimp in the last two episodes.
New ED "Sociometry" is slightly better than "triangle". Animation is defintely better and more eye-catching, with the flashy lights surrounding the characters. - Looks like poor Ike is resigned to being the series comic relief. - What a gift Pheles has given Yoshida. Pheles can tell how painful it must be for Yoshida to watch from the sides as Yuji and Shana grow ever closer to each other. She offers Yoshida a "way out", a form of suicide by using the Houguu and have her PoE disappear and be forgotten, since she reckoned Yoshida is more or less being "forgotten" anyway. Be assured that Yoshida will be playing an important role when the time comes. - Bal Masque lays low for now and bides its time. Meanwhile, Hecate seems to be having some resonance with the memories she collected from Fumina. All bets are open that this original factor will lead to an original anime ending, just like the first series. - Bel-Peol, Hecate, "Professor" Dantalion and his servant Rinne, Domino, all appear, but where's Sydonay? Already I'm beginning to miss him. - Next episode seems to also focus on Tanaka questioning his commitment with Margery after the scare with Ogata nearly killed, and this would lead to tensions between him and Satou. - Speaking of Satou, I still think he's criminally underdeveloped by both author Takahashi and the scenario writers. I certainly like to know how he ended up being estranged from his rich family. He's like the rich version of Tomoya from Clannad. Next episode's title is "Sorezore no Michi" (Each to their own path), which is probably one of the most cliched episode titles I've seen in anime and manga. I think I've seen like 10 anime with an episode with such a title already. |
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