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View Poll Results: Nisemonogatari - Episode 08 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 166 | 75.45% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 10.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 4.55% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 1.36% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 1.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.36% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 1.36% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 0.91% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.45% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 6 | 2.73% | |
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2012-02-26, 05:18 | Link #161 | |
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Let me clarify, unbiased as in hating eroticism or incest is what will obviously drive one into a rage, in addition to anticipating to see certain events and characters and be treated with others will the least annoy you. Being unbiased and not building baseless expectation helps a lot to enjoy the authors works, since he does a pretty good job to be unpredictable both with monogatari and katanagatari... we'll see about medaka box this spring. |
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2012-02-26, 05:31 | Link #162 | |
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I know! They should show Araragi doing the fire bee transfer kiss, even though the novel intentionally skipped describing it! And while they are at it, why not animate the Hitagi sex scene? You know, the scene that was never described in the novel. This episode is exactly what the book was about. And the reason it was animated in an arousing fashion was because it was the only way to properly portray the scene. If Shaft just wanted to titillate, they have missed many chances to do so because they decided to only animate what was in the book. No more, no less. Having Araragi taking Hitagi's virginity on screen would certainly get people hot and bothered, right? So why not? Who cares if that wasn't what the author wanted? Some things in an adaptation will always have to be cut. But if you want something cut because you are offended at the characters themselves, then there is little we can do. Araragi is a little too close to his sisters. This is part of his character. You taking that out means you want a different main character. And after that you might as well watch a different anime.
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2012-02-26, 05:42 | Link #163 | ||
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Liking incest is no less a personal bias/preference than disliking it is. And it's not a "baseless expectation" to expect a sequel to be similar to its original, because sequels usually are similar to the original. The differences between Bake and Nise are pretty substantial, imo. It's only natural that many people who liked Bake would dislike Nise (or at least some episodes of Nise). Quote:
Disliking one element of a character doesn't mean you want an entirely different main character. It certainly doesn't mean you want an entirely different anime. Also, people are free to like some of a book, and dislike some of the same book. When people do reviews, they frequently talk about the parts they like and the parts they disliked. There's nothing illegitimate about that.
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2012-02-26, 05:45 | Link #164 |
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My stance is...even if the series is a perfect replica of the novel, that doesn't exclude the episode from criticism. If the source material is displeasing they can either A.) skip it or B.) animate it...And if they opt to animate it, then it's subject to criticism...All it means is that the source material was equally as bad as the animated version. Though I can't even begin to fathom why an entire episode needed to be dedicated to what seemed like nothing more than incestual pandering...Was this scene in the novel really that long?
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2012-02-26, 05:47 | Link #165 | |
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2012-02-26, 05:55 | Link #166 |
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I am now reminded of a flashback to this website years ago, back when the anime Mai Otome was airing.
Spoiler for End of Mai Otome:
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2012-02-26, 06:03 | Link #167 |
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This is a useful tool, commonly found in the range of 6 inches long, the functioning of which is enjoyed by members of both sexes. It is usually found hung, dangling loosely, ready for instant action. It boasts of a clump of little hairy things at one end
and a small hole at the other. In use, it is quickly inserted, almost always willingly, sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly, into a warm, fleshy, moist opening where it is thrust in and drawn out again and again many times in succession, often quickly and accompanied by squirming bodily movements. Anyone found listening in will most surely recognize the rhythmic, pulsing sound resulting from the well-lubricated movements. When finally withdrawn, it leaves behind a juicy, frothy, sticky white substance, some of which will need cleaning from the outer surfaces of the opening and some from its long glistening shaft. After everything is done and the flowing and cleansing liquids have ceased emanating, it is returned to its freely hanging state of rest, ready for yet another bit of action, hopefully reaching its bristling climax twice or three times a day, but often much less. What is it?
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2012-02-26, 06:05 | Link #168 | |
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"If the Source Material is displeasing"? What does that suppose to imply? What is it that you are displeased about? The subject matter? You saw something you don't like to see? Or does your personal beliefs mandate that you attack it? I would like to know what is suppose to be displeasing. As for "pandering"... Pandering assumes that the subject matter is offering what the audience wanted. Now, you obviously don't want it, so how could it be pandering then?
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2012-02-26, 06:05 | Link #169 | ||
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2012-02-26, 06:10 | Link #171 |
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A few things to say.
First, episode was definitely different. It definitely instigated a new fetish. Although, it probably already existed. This point brings me to... Second, the oral hygiene brother document is really long but interesting. Attraction as a result, if not direct, of toothbrushing? I'm curious as to why it occurs. hm... Though it might be that toothbrushing is quite a personal thing and requires getting close to the person physically. Interesting that one of the important moments in the story is of Bakemonogatari in the background. Third, there might be something about wanting to use the novel's names. As a result, Shaft became somewhat bound to the 2 chapters. I mean Bakemonogatari spanned 2 books if I recalled correctly, which I believe allowed it to be 1 cour with 5 arcs. Also possible is that the it was requested by fans that this occur, animators/director were bored, they wanted to stretch their creativity, I don't know.
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2012-02-26, 06:11 | Link #172 | |
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As far as incest goes, I'm definitely against it in RL, however, I have no problems with it in anime. I just found this episode to be extremely pointless. Honestly, if getting off to this episode was not the point of it, then I don't rightly know what was.
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2012-02-26, 06:16 | Link #173 | |
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Something else came to mind; a few years ago I found out that there are fans who download and watch anime in the Gaza Strip. Of all places.
One wonders what they think about this episode of Nise. But no doubt way before the toothbrushing, they must have seen far more scenes of "inappropriate" nature every week, in every new episode. One does have to wonder, if they give 1/10 and be just as offend, as people here. Or maybe they don't? After all, they are breaking dogma just by watching any of it. Quote:
That's what all the anime was ever really about. Relationships. Good ones, bad ones, broken ones, violent ones, desperate ones. Hitagi and her mum, Hanekawa and her whole family, the blood bond between Araragi and Shinobu.
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2012-02-26, 06:20 | Link #174 |
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I just have two questions to those who rate the episode 1/10 (or somewhere around there).
Are you confident that this episode will receive bad reception from the audience? And if it does not, do you consider that maybe: the fact that you do not like it was down to your taste, or you are not part of its intended audiences (rather than the directors' abilities or choice of adaptation)? I completely understand the outrage through. Excessive fanservices, maybe. But maybe the introduction of incest element (one of the more sensitive taboo) into the story was the main cause of the split. I means if Kanbaru was the main character (of her new arc perhaps) and Shaft spend a whole chapter on her flirting with... Karen, right in front of a helpless Araragi. Then i expect non-yuri audiences will also be outrage. Actually earlier, some people couldn't stand the BSDM play between Araragi and Hitagi. Or the 'pedo promotion' screen of Aaaragi and Shinobu's bath. It's all on hit-or-miss, as i think Nisemonogatari really aims on targeted audiences rather than the mainstream like back in Bakemonogatari
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2012-02-26, 06:21 | Link #175 | |
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Myself not a huge fan of incest, nor I'm offended by the idea. What I love about this episode is how they were able to portray a seemingly innocent act in an absolutely outrageous way that it is hilarious. It's like speaking in sexual euphemism yet nothing actually is happening. I quite like those in-your-face subtlety that puts a mockery into the genre. Yes, it's the most outlandish one to date, but I fail to see why people should be offended by it. It's a ridiculous scene in a show that is often borderline ridiculous, which means that it fits in well. It's supposed to be loud, it's supposed to be obnoxious, because it's the whole point of that scene, and the anime is doing it's job showing that. Keep in mind that every time an arc finishes the heroine often spend an episode with Araragi in the following arc, this no exception. We still got 3 more episodes to come, plenty of time to develop the second story. You should have realised that the incest joke will be poked at in Nisemonogatari since the girls are his two little sisters.
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2012-02-26, 06:37 | Link #178 |
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I could say the same, old, repetitive and annoying "HNNNNNNNNNNG" and "OMG, XYZ Fanservice scene is so good!" comments that I see on every speck of fanservice from any series (not just Nise). This toothbrush scene everyone is making a fuss over, I find it incredibly irritating much like you might find the same old "Incest is bad" irritating.
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2012-02-26, 06:49 | Link #180 | |
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Kanbaru, eh? Let's see... Kanbaru want Koyomi to introduce her to the famous sister Karen, whom she absolutely adore. So after offering her virginity and was rejected, it all comes down to the toothbrush game (somehow it's really befitting, make me wondering if the screen was written for Kanbaru at the beginning).Then Hitagi step in, and ntr moment, and decide to pass on their death penalty..... OK, the problem with Kanbaru is, it will seems much more serious rather than playing it for joke like this episode. Nadeko on another hand could be. But she already got the similar thing in Twister game
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