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2009-03-17, 09:47 | Link #1082 | |
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Though it may the the push into the abyss. He's not quite as serious, Yuki's not quite as serious. (They are serious in not 'bothering' each other.) So it could be her turn to 'meddle' less between them and make some sort of move. The title of the next episode is quite telling. 'waiting is the worst'. |
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2009-03-17, 11:16 | Link #1083 |
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Deconstructing Yayoi
I had some down time at work today so i have been re watching the episodes but only the scenes involving Yayoi because her character really bothers me, her motivations her state of mind everything about her. What i tried to do was watch her mannerisms, what she says more than what she actually does and try to pull something from the little we know about her.
When the whole situation with Yayoi and Touya began i think it truly was business after all Yayoi barely new Touya crushing a collage and bullying him would be easy by using a weapon all women are born with their sexuality. However, i feel its changed over time after all spending time with people changes you and even an ice queen might actually has a heart and needs under the frost. We never see Yayoi with any other people in her private life which is not surprsing since her work is her life. With the exception of reading an occassional book and having coffee (at the same place Touya works Echos) we see nothing else of her. Right now i think Yayoi has discovered a way to relieve her frustrations and loneliness without actually straying from her initial purpose of supporting Yuki. So far the only emotion and it was ever so slight that we have seen has been her interacting with Touya. The one thing i can see in Yayoi's eyes is her lonliness it obvious everytime she is shown. Those eyes devoid of life face like a piece of marble never changing she seems lifeless like a doll. A sever case of loneliness and detachment from emotion or interpersonal relationships would cause these traits. I realized that Yayoi is someone that Rina could become if given enough time say 5 or 6 years down the road. In her mind what she is doing with Touya is for Yuki's sake but deep down does Yayoi feel she has found a kindred spirit? If she thinks this way in her mind there is no conflict of interest its effectivly killing two birds with one stone. She also knows that her secret is safe because Touya doesnt have the ballz to face Yuki. Silence is golden and information is power and Yayoi has both with Touya. The change is ever so sudden over time and it might be missed becasue we always focused on other events surrounding the two. I cant say that Yayoi actually likes Touya but he is a way for her momentarily to have comfort and control while still doing her job its a sweet little arrangement. However,i do think on some level Yayoi thinks of Touya as HERS similar to how the band members were teasing Touya about being Rina's pet. Also, i feel her time with Touya is also responsible for part of her stance and very aggressive attitude towards Rina in episode 11. I kept wondering why it felt like Yayoi was protecting her turf and that turf would be Touya since Touya spends majority of his time with Rina now. Im not sure if my theories are sound but after deconstructing her with the limited information we have this is what iv come up with. She has combined her job with her possible growing attachment to Touya they are one in the same now. I would bet money if Touya broke things off but the situation with him and Yuki stayed stagnant she would still initiate contact with him. That smile and kiss after she licked Touya's tears did not seem like a malicious one but it felt more like a smile of someone who could make her for a time forget the stalker, her loneliness and her past mistakes. Just as much as Touya is using her as a distraction she is using him as well and with his recent break down in the car Yayoi went to solidify his reliance on her by using physical means. She effectively made a move while Touya was at his most vulnerable which will only deepen the feeling he has to see and be near her even if he does not love her. Feelings are very tricky but Yayoi is obviously holding on to Touya tightly and its not just for her job if that was the case she would not keep seeing him since her primary goal has already been accomplished Touya and Yuki are not seeing each other and will not for a good while. What do you guys think?
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2009-03-17, 12:55 | Link #1084 |
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I think otherwise and the thought of "loving Touya" may not have crossed Yayoi's mind at all. Like you've said "with her eyes devoid of life", emotions should be a term she is less familiar with let alone trying to understand nor to express it (hence the awkward situation we have here with her licking his tears since she simply does not know how to offer comfort to a person who is undergoing a mental breakdown). Certainly it was of nothing malicious but neither was it something done to please herself in such a situation as I still think that she doesn't know what "love" is and if you were to ask her if she loves Touya or not, she will be in a complete blind. "killing two birds with one stone" implies that she knows what she feels but I on the otherhand argue that she doesn't...the only thing she knows is how to use a female body to make the opposite sex listen, but even that I don't see any bad intentions in her since she knows no better ways to do so (being void of emotions as it were).
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No i dont think she loves Touya (I thought i stated that) and i agree she probably could not identify with the emotion even if you asked her. But the fact the she even tried as awkward as it was to do something while Touya was having a break down shows that there is something more than just her job. She probably does not even know what it is but to me she rolled spending her make out sessions with Touya into her job with Yuki. After watching all her scenes again im starting to see somethings that i have missed before but they are very subtle. Yayoi is lonely this much im certain of and even if she does not know how to express it does not mean that something has not changed in her. I dont know i cant quite pin my finger on it but there is something there.
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2009-03-17, 14:11 | Link #1086 |
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Oh I understand that she "feels some unknown" when she was comforting Touya and certainly she has begun to change as a person compared to what she started off from, but at this point in time she just have yet to realise what "this feeling" actually is. She still sees that it is her job to keep Touya away from Yuki and to maintain that she has no choice but to offer herself as Yuki's replacement (which was the exchange term she gave to Touya)...this all still seems pretty normal to her as she has yet to know what she feels subconciously even if those rusty gears have already started turning in her heart. So when the time comes, it will be rather sudden just like how Touya brokedown here.
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2009-03-17, 14:20 | Link #1087 |
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I wonder if Misaki really loves Akira or if she is just using him to forget Touya . I really hope Misaki eventually break up with Akira because he is acting like a bitch. It seemed to me like she is already tired of being with him. It was funny how he used the same libne she used before when she wanted to get some alone time. I have seen this happening a lot, when the guy or girl just want to spend all the time with the person they wanted, and that person really didn't love the other person and eventually they break up.
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2009-03-17, 15:31 | Link #1090 |
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I thought the episode was solid except for the crying scene with Touya. I agree with many of the statements people have made about it, because it was executed poorly. I'm not saying that it did not seem like Touya was going through any sort of "stress" about his situation, but the lead up to his break down was just poor... He really was talking normally beforehand, well actually it was weird that he was even talking in the first place... Normally he kind of sits there silently.
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He was talking about everything but what really was bothering him. The scene where Akira noticed something wrong but because Akira is in bitch mode he got mad instead showing concern. |
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2009-03-17, 18:45 | Link #1092 | |
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2009-03-17, 20:13 | Link #1093 | |
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I wonder if it would have been better to marathon this once its completely finished airing. Although there is a lot to take in and you need time to let it sink in.. the wait each week is nerve racking.
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2009-03-18, 01:23 | Link #1095 |
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Definitely agree about Akira. He's simply a rebound and I am sure he knows it.
But with Yayoi.. even though the evidences points to the contrary, I still can't shake that she's doesn't genuinely care for Touya.. That it is just some way to distract Touya from ruining her "client's" career." Still an ice queen in my book. |
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There seems to be a lot of hate for Touya...
...but I'd ask, what exactly do you expect him to do?
People have wants and needs, and they don't disappear merely because they're inconvenient. Maybe I'm wrong but it just seems like people expect him to endure isolation for an absentee girlfriend. He tried that, and started coming apart. He tried staying busy, and people he cared about ended up becoming collateral damage. He tried talking to anyone that would listen to him, but one is a teenager who thinks he's just fantasizing and another is an ice queen who doesn't know how to be there emotionally for a person. Humans are social animals, and the alienation Touya is being forced through does destroy people. I hear him being called weak or wishy-washy or a cry baby. He's just human. I think maybe people are letting the extraordinariness of his circumstances distract them from the fact that he's just a guy, and he's desperately lonely. -Firetear |
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2009-03-18, 12:04 | Link #1099 | |
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If you want a matter resolved you need to actually attempt to do it. Touya has not done anything to clear things up with Yuki and make his position clear he lets all the influences in the world dictate his actions. I call him weak because he is weak minded he does not think things threw hes along for the ride and that does not solve problems. Touya needs to take control of his life and what he wants he needs to get the determination to say I will decide whats best for me if Yuki decides im not good for her career then its over. Yuki has not made that choice and Touya is listening to all the people he shouldn't and not listening to himself. Yes Touya is very human and makes mistake but what separates him from being a strong lead and weak lead is if he learns from him mistakes and takes the bull by the horns. Nothing will change if he does not try its ok for him to cry sometimes we need to but when its over you get back up and try. Using people are a crutch to forget your problems only leads to a dependency issue which he is already developing. I will not accept the teenager argument because hes not he is young adult. He does not have family support but sooner or later in life you have to stop using that as an excuse. Honestly Touya has had at least 3 chances to talk to Yuki in the past 3 episodes and it might be more but he has not. I have seen the argument that he and Yuki are broken up so its ok for him to be comforted by Yayoi thats BS im sorry. Does Yuki know or think they are broken up? have they ever had a proper talk about it? If their relationship was over in terms they both agreed on i would have no problem with him getting some nookie from Yayoi as a SINGLE guy but that is not the case and because he cant deal with his problems he distracts himself by working on others problems or by hooking up Yayoi. This appraoch has a bad end there is no way it can end well and he could end up becoming very introverted because of it. I hear what you are saying and understand but you have to draw a line in the sand at some point with pity being one side and ass kicking on the other and thats what he needs right now a kick in the ass to get him moving and do what he needs to do no more self pity Touya has the potential to be mentally strong he has potential but in the end its his choice to play the victim till the end or become the man he can be.
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the reason that Yayoi started doing this was because she knew that touya would eventually break up with Yuki and that it would really destroy her career. Yayoi was not really interested in him, but she might be falling in her own trap. I really think that If touya had broken clean with Yuki and gotten involved with Misaki, he woud be in better shape. Quote:
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