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Archon_Wing · 2011-10-02, 01:49

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Originally Posted by Hooves

Rin, able to bad-mouth a master even at her age is inspiring in a sense.

Hmm, charming and intelligent young ones. Reminds me of another Rin from a recent anime.

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Originally Posted by Jean Claymore

Eh hot? The Kawaii truck really must've gotten you. I mean by your lolicon taste, no offense

Hmm, well, yea, being fully grown *cough* tended to help matters for me.

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2011-10-02, 01:53

I'm not really a Type-moon fanboy, neither have played the VN but this pilot episode was amazing.

Maybe it's just me but I love "smart dialogue" type shows, and this double length episode had plenty of it. Of course that doesn't mean I dislike action, which is very much false and I'm positive that will come later on.

This pilot episode was all of the following: Intellectual, heartwarming, dramatic, sad and dramatic.

Seeing Ilya's mom being married to Emiya's dad was suprising but not out of the ordinary. Seeing Loli Rin made me reminded me on how to do a moe character right. Seeing Rin's father and Sayaka towards the end was both sad and heartwarming. And that old man made me rage, but it's like one of those characters you love to hate.

Visuals on the whole were very good, with only minor bits and pieces being subpar. Soundtrack on the whole was decent, though I'm guessing the best of Kajiara is soon to come.

And Saber's closing lines: "I ask thee - Are you my master?" made me cry "F*ck Yea Saber" out loud.

10/10 for an awesome pilot episode. Let the Holy Grail War begin! I just hope this doesn't turn out like Hanasaku Iroha and then completely flop by the 3rd episode...

EDIT: DEEN can go to hell. This pilot episode had more depth and crispness than the original FSN anime and UBW movie put together.

Flinch · 2011-10-02, 01:57

Causes Ilya needs her nap. C'mon man, she can't be awake all the time. I actually care for my loli. Guess I'll go wake her up. Not my fault if she gets mad.

Hooves · 2011-10-02, 02:02

Lets hope its not the avvie where she's trying to go for the lolipop

Kuroi Hadou · 2011-10-02, 02:03

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Originally Posted by Hooves

Lets hope its not the avvie where she's trying to go for the lolipop

You can relax. It's not.

Flinch · 2011-10-02, 02:04

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Originally Posted by Hooves

Lets hope its not the avvie where she's trying to go for the lolipop

It was a popsicle...

... that doesn't help my case at all, does it?

Hooves · 2011-10-02, 02:06

I think it makes it worse. Either way, it's a cute avatar of a chibi-version of loli Ilya.. What more can you give to a lolicon? A chibi version of a loli

Kuroi Hadou · 2011-10-02, 02:06

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Originally Posted by Flinch

It was a popsicle...

... that doesn't help my case at all, does it?

It probably makes it worse.

Wrath88 · 2011-10-02, 02:17

I found the pacing of this episode brilliant! A 10/10 from me! Interesting how the church keeps all those relics considering the difference in time between the formation of the Holy Grail and the time those relics date back to.

Reckoner · 2011-10-02, 02:19

Hahaha. Oh man.

I didn't realize we could make Illya anymore loli!

Forsaken_Infinity · 2011-10-02, 02:21

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Originally Posted by Jean Claymore

Eh hot? The Kawaii truck really must've gotten you. I mean by your lolicon taste, no offense

? _ ? I am no lolicon and whatever do you mean by the Kawaii truck. Illya's hot, hot as in sexy, and as a woman, not a preteen. Unless you mean the Illya in this show itself, and I would be damned if you mean this one because Illya's but a toddler (a homunculi one but still) in here, I don't see why finding Illya hot would remotely imply that I am a lolicon because she is mature enough (?) .

Besides,

Spoiler for FSN:

Edit: Holy shit wth. A page full of posts in no time.

Oh and @Flinch: I don't care

There's no way you can keep Illya away from me, feel free to try

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2011-10-02, 02:29

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Originally Posted by Forsaken_Infinity

Edit: Holy shit wth. A page full of posts in no time.

Probably the whole VN community doing this right now:

Spoiler for Video 1:

~And Saber appears and I *you know what goes in here*~

or the Deen hater version:

Spoiler for Video 2:

~Man, this isn't Type-Moon. This is Deen. So I threw it on the ground! I don't need your shitty adaptations!~

Flinch · 2011-10-02, 02:33

You realize her body never surpassed secondary sexual development. That's the result of her being half homunculus. And as she never reaches full sexual maturity, you can't call her a woman.

Clarste · 2011-10-02, 02:54

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Originally Posted by Wrath88

I found the pacing of this episode brilliant! A 10/10 from me! Interesting how the church keeps all those relics considering the difference in time between the formation of the Holy Grail and the time those relics date back to.

I don't think anyone in particular was keeping them, let alone the Church who certainly wouldn't hand them out like that. I got the impression that they just hired magical archaeologists to go find them or dig them up. Presumably they're better at that than normal archaeologists.

alumnox · 2011-10-02, 03:03

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Originally Posted by Clarste

I don't think anyone in particular was keeping them, let alone the Church who certainly wouldn't hand them out like that. I got the impression that they just hired magical archaeologists to go find them or dig them up. Presumably they're better at that than normal archaeologists.

Thats right, they put a lot of effort in finding specific relics. The fact the characters said something like finally able to hold x or y relic means those are not easy to find and its also said later in FSN with the berserker summon ritual.

Maybe the church keeps some of the relics after the grail wars, at least the ones the new owners want to give away. That's an option never told before as far as I know.

Jarmel · 2011-10-02, 03:05

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

but it is not a lofty ideal.

I would argue it kinda is. Now before you compare it to Shirou, I would state that Shirou's ideals were more abstract and also a form of self punishment. Proving that the world is fair is somewhat (as Waver is doing by trying to show that irregardless of upbringing any Mage can be just as good as another) lofty.

KyriaL · 2011-10-02, 03:07

An episode full of information, and a good introduction for those who haven't see FSN. So nostalgic to be able to see many the old characters at a younger age.

jeroz · 2011-10-02, 03:58

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Originally Posted by Hooves

So it seems Waver is the only master capable of actually being a female plot-wise. Either way things still to be good in some sense.

well, Waver is moe enough already..........

Saturn Beaver · 2011-10-02, 04:05

So Fate/Zero is excellent, though I'm not that surprised as I had high expectations coming in and thankfully it didn't disappoint. Things about the episode are already mentioned here, like Zouken must die, poor Sakura/Kariya, loli Rin is cute etc, so I don't have anything more to say (really, 7 pages already?). It's mostly infodump and dialogue, but it is a prologue and intro after all, they did a good decision in making it one-hour long (as waiting 2 weeks for the Servants to be summoned is just too long). Really, I think one must have played or at least watched the FSN anime coming in, otherwise it can be hard to follow, not to mention that they spoil some things already, like the fact that Sakura is Rin's sister and Kiritsugu is Ilya's father.

matapat · 2011-10-02, 04:08

Man, Fate/Zero's first episode is already better than the entirety of the F/SN adaptation. ufotable is really amazing, I'm going to have to check out those Kara no Kyoukai films sometime.

The episode really was rather dialogue/info dump heavy, but it's better to get all that out of the way now. The various storylines and introductions for the first five masters interspersed with drama and tragedy were really well done.

Nice to see Zouken finally animated after all these years, and he's even more monstrous, creepy and menacing a bastard as he was in the VN.

The more serious mood of the series is welcome as well. Nice to see how a proper and expected holy grail war is truly set up with elite-level Magi filling the ranks of the participants rather than random high school kids being thrown into an outrageously dangerous situation most of them can't even begin to grasp the magnitude of.

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2011-10-02, 01:53	Link #122
~~Pocari_Sweat~~ <em style="color:#808080;">Disabled By Request</em> Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia	I'm not really a Type-moon fanboy, neither have played the VN but this pilot episode was amazing. Maybe it's just me but I love "smart dialogue" type shows, and this double length episode had plenty of it. Of course that doesn't mean I dislike action, which is very much false and I'm positive that will come later on. This pilot episode was all of the following: Intellectual, heartwarming, dramatic, sad and dramatic. Seeing Ilya's mom being married to Emiya's dad was suprising but not out of the ordinary. Seeing Loli Rin made me reminded me on how to do a moe character right. Seeing Rin's father and Sayaka towards the end was both sad and heartwarming. And that old man made me rage, but it's like one of those characters you love to hate. Visuals on the whole were very good, with only minor bits and pieces being subpar. Soundtrack on the whole was decent, though I'm guessing the best of Kajiara is soon to come. And Saber's closing lines: "I ask thee - Are you my master?" made me cry "Fck Yea Saber" out loud. 10/10 for an awesome pilot episode. Let the Holy Grail War begin! I just hope this doesn't turn out like Hanasaku Iroha and then completely flop by the 3rd episode... EDIT: DEEN can go to hell. This pilot episode had more depth and crispness than the original FSN anime and UBW movie put together. Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2011-10-02 at 02:40.*

2011-10-02, 01:57	Link #123
Flinch Onii-chan~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Einzbern Castle Age: 32	Causes Ilya needs her nap. C'mon man, she can't be awake all the time. I actually care for my loli. Guess I'll go wake her up. Not my fault if she gets mad. __________________

2011-10-02, 02:17	Link #129
Wrath88 Kissing... Join Date: Dec 2005	I found the pacing of this episode brilliant! A 10/10 from me! Interesting how the church keeps all those relics considering the difference in time between the formation of the Holy Grail and the time those relics date back to. __________________ Okairii, Nerine-chan

2011-10-02, 02:33	Link #133
Flinch Onii-chan~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Einzbern Castle Age: 32	You realize her body never surpassed secondary sexual development. That's the result of her being half homunculus. And as she never reaches full sexual maturity, you can't call her a woman. __________________

2011-10-02, 03:07	Link #137
KyriaL You are Reading this! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: In the study room	An episode full of information, and a good introduction for those who haven't see FSN. So nostalgic to be able to see many the old characters at a younger age.

2011-10-02, 04:05	Link #139
Saturn Beaver Home of Silent Prayer Join Date: Mar 2010	So Fate/Zero is excellent, though I'm not that surprised as I had high expectations coming in and thankfully it didn't disappoint. Things about the episode are already mentioned here, like Zouken must die, poor Sakura/Kariya, loli Rin is cute etc, so I don't have anything more to say (really, 7 pages already?). It's mostly infodump and dialogue, but it is a prologue and intro after all, they did a good decision in making it one-hour long (as waiting 2 weeks for the Servants to be summoned is just too long). Really, I think one must have played or at least watched the FSN anime coming in, otherwise it can be hard to follow, not to mention that they spoil some things already, like the fact that Sakura is Rin's sister and Kiritsugu is Ilya's father. __________________

2011-10-02, 04:08	Link #140
matapat Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2010	Man, Fate/Zero's first episode is already better than the entirety of the F/SN adaptation. ufotable is really amazing, I'm going to have to check out those Kara no Kyoukai films sometime. The episode really was rather dialogue/info dump heavy, but it's better to get all that out of the way now. The various storylines and introductions for the first five masters interspersed with drama and tragedy were really well done. Nice to see Zouken finally animated after all these years, and he's even more monstrous, creepy and menacing a bastard as he was in the VN. The more serious mood of the series is welcome as well. Nice to see how a proper and expected holy grail war is truly set up with elite-level Magi filling the ranks of the participants rather than random high school kids being thrown into an outrageously dangerous situation most of them can't even begin to grasp the magnitude of.