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Old 2021-06-27, 19:41   Link #121
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Not from the perspective I saw. Essentially, he was willingly going to a karaoke room with a girl by herself. He was willingly getting on with her. She might have been more aggressive, but even she stated that he was a willing participant, up until future Takemichi came in and "ruined" everything. He was cheating on her, except future Takemichi got in the way.

Seriously, it is par for course with his interactions when future Takemichi is not there. Remember that he just left Hinata in the middle of the fireworks as soon as Takemichi went back to the future. If anything, you're underestimating how much of a douche young Takemichi has been to Hinata.
I think there's a lot we didn't see for how they both ended up in that situation. I think it's entirely possible she started coming on to him to make Draken jealous and he was too flustered to do anything about it until his future self jumped into his body.
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Old 2021-06-27, 19:42   Link #122
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Old 2021-06-27, 20:38   Link #123
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The biggest issue I have with the whole situation was that he was in a karaoke room with her by themselves. You don't get into that sort of situation by accident. To quote Emma, "No kissing", and then "You managed to get me into my underwear, then ran away." That sure as heck sounds like Takemichi was a willing participant. Of course, this is just the one example.


The other example that seems to be ignored is the fireworks night. Hinata said, "The night we were watching the fireworks from my roof, you just rushed home without a word. And you've been cold to me at school." These are all in episode 5. It paints a pretty negative image of young Takemichi towards Hinata, not to mention that he himself admitted to running away from everything at some point.



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Please don't even think about accusing me of something like that.
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Old 2021-06-27, 22:05   Link #124
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I agree with thundrakkon based on everything that has been presented so far that young Takemichi is certainly no catch, and it would not be a stretch to see him willingly cheating on Hina even if at Emma's encouragement. Hina even describes adult Takemichi as being the one who is kind.
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Old 2021-06-27, 23:26   Link #125
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The biggest issue I have with the whole situation was that he was in a karaoke room with her by themselves. You don't get into that sort of situation by accident. To quote Emma, "No kissing", and then "You managed to get me into my underwear, then ran away." That sure as heck sounds like Takemichi was a willing participant. Of course, this is just the one example.
I don't think it was an accident but I don't think they necessarily went to karaoke together to hook up, at least before things might have escalated beyond what maybe young Takemichi expected, but we didn't really see how they got to that point.

I also think Emma was just stirring the pot to make Draken jealous.
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The other example that seems to be ignored is the fireworks night. Hinata said, "The night we were watching the fireworks from my roof, you just rushed home without a word. And you've been cold to me at school." These are all in episode 5. It paints a pretty negative image of young Takemichi towards Hinata, not to mention that he himself admitted to running away from everything at some point.
Well, yeah, after immediately getting back into his body he probably freaked out at being there next to Hina suddenly with the fireworks...although they've never really explained how Takemichi's memories jive together when he goes back to the future .

I can believe young Takemichi was rough around the edges and awkward when it came to his feelings, on top of all his self-hatred of himself that he'd normally act cold to Hina if not for older Takemichi.
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Old 2021-06-28, 00:39   Link #126
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Differences in recollection of who dumped who.

1. Takemichi recalling that Hina dumped him. That was his memory from the original timeline where he became one of the slaves of Kiyomasa's group and became a broken shell. In Episode 1 when he went to her house to see her and recollect how she looked, she admonished him for continuing to get involved in fights. Hina likely dumped him later because he was reduced to just being a complete husk.

2. In the new timeline, after Draken was saved and in no small part with Takemichi taking down Kiyomasa, it was Takemichi who dumped Hina. As to why Takemichi dumped her, all I can say is watch on. As to why she did not dump him, she saw his efforts in the whole Moebius arc including that take-down of Kiyomasa. She had faith in him. Plus he was chivalrous enough to gift her that four leaf clover necklace. Enough accumulated faith in him that she continued to hold that flame for him by the implications of still wearing that four leaf clover necklace.

Episode 12 is the transition to the next arc. Buckle up.
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Old 2021-06-30, 16:55   Link #127
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Old 2021-07-03, 14:32   Link #128
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Well, morbid as it is, I'm glad Takemichi got to finally attend Hina's funeral and pay his respects to her. He's going to try everything he can to prevent this from ever happening, but he at least wanted to be there for her and her family. His dedication was enough to move Naoto to tears .

Not the best of circumstances, but it was nice to see Hina and Naoto's mom again, as well as get to finally see their father, and Hina's mom was able to talk with Takemichi again and give him the necklace, letting him know how much Hina still loved him .

Oh jeez, Akkun had a wife and kid too in this timeline? And Toman kidnapped them to make him try and kill Takemichi? this just gets worse and worse .

Naoto is close to despair over how little their efforts really changed anything, but Takemichi's resolve is able to re-invigorate him. Naoto still snarks at Takemichi, but it's obvious now how much more Naoto respects and appreciates him .

What happened to Draken in the current timeline? Well, not only is he in prison, but he's on Death's Row for killing three people. I get the sense that Kisaki forced him into doing it because he had to protect Mikey, and he realizes how it all went wrong for Toman when Kisaki showed up. So once again Takemichi has to save Draken .

I wonder what happened to future Emma...desponded over Draken being locked up and about to be executed ?

Why is Kisaki so obsessed with killing Takemichi? Because apparently he used to idolize Mikey so much but now he resents and hates him, and he's using the resources of Toman to take out everyone who Mikey ever cared about...which includes Takemichi. Is Hina a part of that or is she just a bystander caught in the middle through her connection to Takemichi .

Takemichi finally goes back to the past and he's back to being buddies with Draken and Mikey having fun in a public bathhouse. It's such a contrast to how warped and messed up it all is in the future. But that makes it all the more important for Takemichi to work to change everything .

Seeing Draken bald and then seeing him with his hair down was kind of surreal. He has surprisingly nice hair. And abs to die for .

So...Kisaki has totally taken the 3rd captain spot before Takemichi could, right? That seems to be what they're setting up, and that Takemichi was too late. Although it looks like he might still be part of the gang in his own way, so I'm curious how Takemichi is going to be handling Toman moving forward .
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Old 2021-07-03, 20:07   Link #129
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Man kisaki is evil, in some way even if takemitchy change the future timeline he will be there to ruin everything, but lets see how he cope of his crazy idea of being a toman leader, he could be predicting what takemitchy would do but this is too crazy to predict.
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Old 2021-07-04, 02:08   Link #130
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Wait... My interpretation of the ending scene was that Takemichi is getting introduced as the 3rd captain. Why else would he be there with the rest of the captains otherwise?


Also, Kisaki hasn't really shown up much at all in Toman during the early timeline, so is he even in Toman yet?
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Old 2021-07-04, 03:34   Link #131
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Frontier, you have many questions. I read Reddit too as you posted the same there. The response you got, i.e. "Hold that thought", is the same I would give you. Otherwise, it is very easy to spoil in answering those questions no matter how vaguely I word them since it can be construed in many ways.
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Old 2021-07-04, 06:18   Link #132
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There is no way. I see Takemichi rising up to be toman's leader. His only option seems to be stopping Kisaki. Kisaki thought doesn't seem like one who actually can fight, just probably good and forcing people to do what he wants, which is probably more trouble since Takemichi is an idiot.
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Old 2021-07-04, 10:00   Link #133
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Wait... My interpretation of the ending scene was that Takemichi is getting introduced as the 3rd captain. Why else would he be there with the rest of the captains otherwise?


Also, Kisaki hasn't really shown up much at all in Toman during the early timeline, so is he even in Toman yet?
I feel like Takemichi is "one of the gang" in terms of hanging out with them, but not at the point where he's ready to be a captain.

They probably found Kisaki in the time between the last time jump. It seems like it had been a few days or weeks.
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Old 2021-07-04, 13:27   Link #134
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Maybe sone of the old takemitchy stays behind and the younger one is changing too, I mean if the younger one is the same as always being a dick and a coward then mickey and draken should notice something is going on, like how hina noticed too.

I do too believe that it was the young takemitchy who rised to become the 3rd division captain and make his job easier.

It could explain too why did he broke up with hina to protect her since he is getting involve in serious things in the future.
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Old 2021-07-10, 14:31   Link #135
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So, yeah, Takemichi was a little too late and now Kisaki is the 3rd division captain of Toman. It arguably all went wrong here when Mikey felt like they needed Kisaki because he was a major part of Moebius to take on Valhalla, even when he had reservations about him (Draken's not crazy about it either) and Kisaki was able to worm his way into Toman and corrupt it .

Is it just me or did Kisaki deliberately look at Takemichi? Almost like he recognized him or acknowledged him for some reason? Even before the punch ?

I can't really blame Takemichi for straight up punching Kisaki once he saw him, after everything Takemichi has been through and knowing all the lives Kisaki is goin to end up ruining. That was kind of cathartic. At the same time...Takemichi has no reason to punch him now, and has no believable reason to tell anyone, so it does nothing but get him in trouble with the rest of Toman .

Although arguably the one who defuses the situation is 1st division captain Baji who beats Takemichi up and then quits Toman to join Valhalla. Lot of shakeups happening to Toman right now .

Kisaki asks Takemichi where he wants to get hit so he knows where Takemichi is least prepared to get hit...yeah, this dude's a sadist .

Even after everything, Mikey still stuck around to make sure Takemichi was okay .

So, Takemichi has a new mission, bringing Baji back from Valhalla, and that might be his way of getting Kisaki kicked out of Toman. I hope he succeeds if only because it sounds like Mikey will for sure kill him if he fails .

Oh hey, so Takemichi does end up officially joining Toman, he's joining Mitsuya's squad. Mitsuya totally doesn't want to have to deal with him, but hopefully Takemichi will grow on him and in his role .

So there was another Toman founder? Kazutora? And he was really close to Baji? Did he abandon Toman for Valhalla to be with Kazutora again ?
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Old 2021-07-10, 15:58   Link #136
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Takemichi learning that there's a price to pay if he asks a favour from a gang boss. From a simple request by Mikey that had no repercussions if he could not deliver, to one where there are repercussions if he could not deliver since he wanted to bargain Mikey's request for a favour in return. Takemichi overstepped his boundaries there. To make matters worse, Mikey accepted him into Toman. Escalating the request from Mikey which started as a friendly request that Takemichi could still fail safely into a quid pro quo request that has repercussions for failure, and now that Takemichi is a Toman member, into an order from the gang boss. No more friendly request. がんばって (Ganbatte), Takemichi-kun.

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Oh hey, so Takemichi does end up officially joining Toman, he's joining Mitsuya's squad. Mitsuya totally doesn't want to have to deal with him, but hopefully Takemichi will grow on him and in his role .
Methinks you will like Mitsuya a lot when you get to know him better.

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So there was another Toman founder? Kazutora? And he was really close to Baji? Did he abandon Toman for Valhalla to be with Kazutora again ?
Questions will be answered in the next few episodes.
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Old 2021-07-10, 17:03   Link #137
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Is it just me or did Kisaki deliberately look at Takemichi? Almost like he recognized him or acknowledged him for some reason? Even before the punch ?
I thought it was obvious that he indeed do that. After all, Takemichi is the one that foiled Kisaki's plans with Moebius that involved killing Draken. It would not surprise me if Kisaki was also the true leader of Valhalla too given how Hanma was with Toman in the future and had arranged for a car to kill Hina and Takemichi when they were both in Hina's car only to be surprised that Takemichi wasn't in the car with her since Hanma was the acting leader of Moebius at the time and then became the leader of Valhalla after the plot to kill Draken failed. If that is the case though, I don't understand why Kisaki would go through all that effort to become the commander of Toman if he's the real leader of Valhalla, which is a much larger organization than Toman. What does he know about Toman that viewers don't?

I also found it highly suspicious that Naoto was called away to duty in the episode from 2 weeks ago when there was a plan from Toman to murder Hina and Takemichi. That suggests that Kisaki has influence with the police. Seriously, if he has such power, why does he even need Toman? I know Draken said that Kisaki wants to take away everything dear from Mikey, but why does Kisaki want to cuck Mikey so hard? Why not just destroy Toman instead of becoming the acting commander of it in the future?

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Old 2021-07-10, 18:01   Link #138
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I also found it highly suspicious that Naoto was called away to duty in the episode from 2 weeks ago when there was a plan from Toman to murder Hina and Takemichi. That suggests that Kisaki has influence with the police. Seriously, if he has such power, why does he even need Toman?
At least you caught on that Naoto was likely called away to duty at that particular time to remove him from the picture. I use the word "likely" because while it is not shown clearly, there is a high chance of influence in the higher ranks. Alternatively, there is a probability that a distraction was created elsewhere to draw the attention of the unit that Naoto belongs to. Why remove Naoto from the setup? Killing Naoto, a cop, together with Takemichi and Hina would just make it a priority for the police to investigate further.

As to the question why Kisaki would need Toman if he has such power? Kisaki has such power and influence because of how large and influential Toman has become. Toman is the reason that he has that power and influence.

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I know Draken said that Kisaki wants to take away everything dear from Mikey, but why does Kisaki want to cuck Mikey so hard? Why not just destroy Toman instead of becoming the acting commander of it in the future?
Those will be answered in due course.
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Old 2021-07-10, 18:16   Link #139
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Takemichi learning that there's a price to pay if he asks a favour from a gang boss. From a simple request by Mikey that had no repercussions if he could not deliver, to one where there are repercussions if he could not deliver since he wanted to bargain Mikey's request for a favour in return. Takemichi overstepped his boundaries there. To make matters worse, Mikey accepted him into Toman. Escalating the request from Mikey which started as a friendly request that Takemichi could still fail safely into a quid pro quo request that has repercussions for failure, and now that Takemichi is a Toman member, into an order from the gang boss. No more friendly request. がんばって (Ganbatte), Takemichi-kun.
At least putting our protagonist's life on the line arguably makes it more likely they'll succeed...more or less .
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I already like him because of his unique character design and being voiced by Yoshitsugu Matsuoka .
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To me it looked like Kisaki was surprised to see Takemichi there when he first walked past him. Didn't expect Takemichi t o straight up and punch him though, props to him. Everyone seems to like Mikey and respect his strength so wonder why Baji and Kazutora left toman. Interesting point about Naoto, while Kisaki has become someone with a lot of connections I wonder what his back story is especially with Mikey.
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