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2013-10-24, 12:30 | Link #31422 | |
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2013-10-24, 12:35 | Link #31423 | |
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2013-10-24, 12:42 | Link #31424 | |
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2013-10-24, 13:15 | Link #31425 | |
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Xellos: The question is the EXTENT of the snooping. I can positively assure you that there is no NSA-like Stasi Overload installation which would give George Orwell wet dreams in Germany, for example. If anything like that happened, it would cause a government-toppling scandal. I can also positively assure that no German chancellor would order the BND to bug Obama's mobile. Ah well, the "Land of the Free", the "Protector of Liberty". Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi, hm? |
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2013-10-24, 13:23 | Link #31426 | |
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In case you didn’t know, toy guns are required to have bright orange plastic tip so they can be readily identified as toys. The AK replica the teen was holding in this case had no such thing, which means there was no way for the police to tell that it’s not a real weapon. Imagine you’re the police officer, you see a person walking down the street carrying what looks like a loaded AK, and when you ordered him to drop the weapon, he turns around while pointing the rifle at you. The last thing you’d be thinking would be “oh, it must be a toy gun”. It is a terrible tragedy? Yes. Are the officers involved at fault here if everything went the way they said it did? No. The kid was being dumb, which is what kids do, but when you’re being dumb with weapons or replicas that are indistinguishable from the real thing, the consequences can be heavy. Would you walk down the street carrying a replica sword, and when ordered to stop by the police, swing the sword at them to show them that it’s just a replica without sharp edges? |
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2013-10-24, 14:56 | Link #31430 |
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Japan says exports almost flat as shipments to Asia slow down
I wondered why the Asian stock funds in my retirement portfolio took a plunge yesterday. Now I know why. What's worse is that I just chose to buy back into these funds after cashing out in fear of a US debt default. Bad timing, but I have a longer-term perspective. It looks like at least the Nikkei recovered some today. A lengthier story I read elsewhere said that all the major Asian trading partners including China and Taiwan were experiencing slower growth. When the Japanese data showed their Asian exports had taken a substantial hit in September, the report had ripple effects in other markets. Taiwan's figures for Asian exports were not great either.
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2013-10-24, 15:09 | Link #31431 | |
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here is toy gun in question. it is a tragedy but preventable if the kid would 1 drop the thing when cops told him to or had it in a bag.
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2013-10-24, 15:10 | Link #31432 |
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Let's be real here, you can positively assure no one about nothing here on German Intelligence activities.
Unless you actually have the kind of very high security clearance to know about those kind of things, but then those people tend to not go on the internet to confirm or deny what is it they do or don't do. |
2013-10-24, 15:16 | Link #31433 | |
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2013-10-24, 15:40 | Link #31435 |
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You don't seem to be able to put yourself in the shoes of those police officers. You act like they knew in advance that those were just toys and shot just for the hell of it.
Kids play with toys? In the US, they also have access to real weapons. He didn't swing it? Maybe not, but he happened to bring the line of fire closer to the cops. I believe police officers in other countries aren't as trigger happy as the ones in the US. But I also believe American officers have their reasons for paranoia. |
2013-10-24, 15:46 | Link #31436 |
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Isn't the best course of action in those cases to wait for all things to calm down instead of arguing on, emotional, baseless, sometime false informations?
I never dug too deeply in US judicial system, but there should be an investigation to judge things? Maybe arguing on the results of the enquiry is better than wasting O2 and sugar on hot news. |
2013-10-24, 16:11 | Link #31437 |
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Let me tell you what I know because I live in a country where drug cartels do wave ak47s in the street. If you are a police officer with a hand gun and encounter a guy with an automatic rifle clearly visible in broad daylight, you do NOT engage them, this is real life not a ****ing western, police officers do not act like Bruce Willis in Die Hard, they call for backup with heavy weapons, otherwise you will be outgunned and killed in seconds because these guys are the biggest cowards there are so you can be sure as hell they are NOT alone, if the police is lucky and guns one down there will be others nearby that will fill them with holes in no time, that is the whole point of waving the ak47 in broad light, if they do is because they own the street through absolute weapon superiority, not because they are brave.
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2013-10-24, 17:06 | Link #31439 |
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The problem as I see it, is that police aren't trained to value the life of a citizen (who is supposed to be presumed innocent) as much as they value the life of themselves and their fellow union brothers.
Asking someone to value the life of someone else over their own is a tough thing almost impossible thing to ask another human. That's why being a police officer should be a calling to serving a higher purpose rather than the place former high-school bullies/jocks end up getting a job after taking a couple years of criminal justice education in a local community college. Police now-a-days are walking around like soldiers in enemy territory. This whole scenario should never have happened, but the problem is we are all walking around afraid of each other instead of assuming innocence. In my highly naive and utopian outlook this is the way police and society should handle the situation. "Oh look, a kid playing with guns. Ha reminds me of when I was a kid lol". Cop keeps driving. No tragedy. If it turns out the kid was some lunatic youth bent on going on a killing spree then you know what the reaction should be? "Holy shit! Who the fuck let that kid get a real gun??! Lets investigate that. Lets figure out a way to provide less easy access to guns to unsupervised children. This is not acceptable." Mob cries "Who can we blame!!??" Every person with a brain answers. "Nobody you fool who lets fear rule your brain. This is what we call a tragedy. No one needs to answer for the arbitrary tragedy of life. Lets see what we can do to stop people from growing up in our society thinking this was a valid course of action. Lets be better at raising our children to love one another, instead of finding someone to slough all the blame on so we can stop having to think hard about a solution.
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