The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

[kyp275]

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

Is Bane a credible threat with credible resources, charisma and manpower, equal to the Shadown Warriors, or is he just another thug who got lucky?

Yes.

Though there is a downside to Bane, I couldn't understand what he's saying quite often due to the mask sound effect

[Yui Is My Wife]

Also, is Bane a "misguided hero" like the Raz Al Gul is, whose ideals you can actually respect if you gave half a second to empathize with him?

Because "villains" like The Shadow Warriors who want to make the world kinder and gentler place rather than pursue selfish goals are FAR more interesting (and realistic) than cynical trash like The Joker, who spread misery, hopelessness, cruelty, apathy and pain just because the loser can.

Just like the makers of nihilistic crap like Seinfeld, Game of Thrones, Family Guy and The Simpsons, which tells, nay, SCREAMS at the audience to take pleasure in the blood, tears, hopelessness and broken dreams of decent human beings; in that sense those "writers" (if those scribblers deserve to be called that) are EXACTLY like the Joker, and not one bit better.

Always had a grudging respect for the Shadow Warriors; because extremism be damned, they CARE enough to want to make a difference and bring happiness, faith and above all, hope to the world, just like Bruce.

Hopefully Bane will be that kind of "anti-villain."

[Ithekro]

If there is anything to this movie, it is giving hope to Bruce Wayne..they one that can't bring himself to trust or hope for the people of Gotham City.


Or maybe just Catwoman's fine posterior.

[TinyRedLeaf]

First reaction after rushing out to watch this movie, first thing on a Saturday morning at a packed Imax theatre: Somewhat underwhelmed, unfortunately.

I nearly nodded off during some scenes, but that's probably just because I'm tired. It's not what I hoped it'll be, but it wasn't awful either.

The cast was fantastic. Anne Hathaway makes arguably the best Catwoman in recent memory, playing a fantastic foil to Christian Bale's on-his-last-legs Dark Knight. The plot was convoluted to the point of being almost incomprehensible, made worse by an unnecessary development that — if you think about it — made most of the developments in the earlier half of the movie pointless and redundant.

Worse, the story felt like a half-hearted rehash of themes already covered in The Dark Knight. This movie focuses so much on bringing the trilogy to an end that, thematically, it seemed to be constantly decelerating from the giddy highs of the second film.

If Bane was meant to be Gotham's reckoning, then colour me unimpressed. It seemed to me that he was no more anarchic than the Joker, or perhaps even less so: the Joker was dangerously unpredictable; Bane had more method to his "madness", which paradoxically diminished his stature, I felt.

That said, this movie clearly taps on some of the anger with Wall Street fat cats since 2008. That, no doubt, would have plenty of people smiling with grim satisfaction.

And the music. Ugh. Sure, it fills the theatre with an adrenaline-pumping tempo. But when it's playing that loud almost all of the time, it kind of becomes background noise. Very loud, tiresome background noise.

In the end though? It's a Chris Nolan Batman/Dark Knight movie. It's a great watch even if it's not as absorbing as its immediate predecessor.

Spoiler for the ending:

It would have been so, so much better if the camera had just stayed on Alfred, with him breaking into a smile. Given what he had already said about his previous experiences at that very same restaurant, the smile alone would be enough to clue the audience into who he saw, while still keeping sufficient ambiguity about Bruce Wayne's fate.

Ah well, Bruce and Selina do make a lovely couple though, so I guess that makes up for the epilogue.

[MakubeX2]

Impressions of the film now :-

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

If we look back at the previous 2 Nolan's Batman outings, there's always 2 villans involved in each. Ra's al Ghul and Scarecrow. Joker and Two Face.

Always knew that Nolan can't resist throwing surprises towards the end. Ra's true identity in Begins. Two Face in TDK. And now

Spoiler:

Talia

But it was of little surprise given that IMDB spoiled the surprise with the credit listing months prior.

About Bane now

Spoiler:

It was lame that he was reduced to being a tool of Talia at then end and not his own man, and a weak one at that.

The movie never goes into details of how Bane figured that Wayne is Batman and how he managed to find Wayne's Arsenal, but the best straight explanation is that Talia feed it to him, so there goes Bane's intellect through the window.

And you can clearly see Bane falls to the ground wriggling the moment the first mask pipe was cut. I know that in the comic lore Bane's sole weakness is his dependance on Venom, but he still manage to keep fighting for quite a while after his feed was severed. The movie could have at least show him fighting for a while more.

And the biggest diss on the character of all, he falls to a single shot from the Pod's cannon. Truly anticlimatic. And I do not know if it was Nolan's intention to set Bane up as a Pedo.

And they were serious about not mentioning the Joker at all. It might be really nice to see Joker

Spoiler:

hijacking the nuke, outsmarting both Bats and Talia at the end

as a subplot.

[Blaat]

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

And they were serious about not mentioning the Joker at all. It might be really nice to see Joker

Spoiler:

hijacking the nuke, outsmarting both Bats and Talia at the end

as a subplot.

No way

Spoiler:

the Joker should have been used during the court scene instead of Crane.

[MakubeX2]

Originally Posted by Blaat

No way

Spoiler:

the Joker should have been used during the court scene instead of Crane.

Spoiler:

Crane got that covered with the remark "Death....by exile"

Besides, it's the only way to resolve Bats' entagled fate with the Joker (appeasing fans too) by

Spoiler:

binding them together in death

[Blaat]

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

Spoiler:

Crane got that covered with the remark "Death....by exile"

Spoiler:

Crane was the judge, he sentenced Gordon with death by exile not himself. Joker as the judge would have been perfect and a nice comicbook references.

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

Besides, it's the only way to resolve Bats' entagled fate with the Joker (appeasing fans too) by

Spoiler:

binding them together in death

Spoiler:

And tying the fate of Batman and Joker is unnecessary because the legacy of Batman carried on with 'Robin'. So the Joker is still needed.

[kenjiharima]

Before the story it's about that massacre. That a crazy loon and he needs to be jailed and be sentenced to whatever death or life imprisonment. God Bless the souls of the ones he murdered.


As for the movie.

Incredible, Epic, more Amazing and spectacular that the reboot you know what movie. Love the story the plot twist how it's so close to the Knightfall comic in fight of Bane VS Batman. The only gripe I have on Nolan movies is that heroes and villains have such voices that you really need to open your ear to understand. Darth Vader Bane was ok imho, love the intensity of his eyes whenever he fights Batman, but same old weakness damage a valve he's weakened.

But overall this is a movie that you wanted to be longer and have the story continue because it was epic!

Spoiler for Returning Villains:

ScareCrow Johnathan Crane as the judge is great to see, but if Health Leger was alive I think he will be the judge, just like in the Batman Animated Series where he was judging Batman.

Rah Al' Ghoul cameo and back stories are pretty good that you might think that Bane was his son, but boom there is a plot twist Thalia is there!

As for the Joker it was said that before the movie was made he was executed, dunno if in the blu-ray they'll add that scene.

Spoiler for Nolan next super hero movie:

Possible Nightwing or Robin? John Blake real Name "Robin" John Blake.

http://i.imgur.com/wI7IO.jpg

[HasuMasu]

Not so impressed.

Though here are some thing that I did like.

Spoiler for Death...by exile.:

1. Robin
2. Selina
3. Bane...looks cool.
4. "Anyone can be Batman."

[MakubeX2]

Originally Posted by Blaat

Spoiler:

Crane was the judge, he sentenced Gordon with death by exile not himself. Joker as the judge would have been perfect and a nice comicbook references.

Spoiler:

I know about Crane being the Judge, I was just referring that he nailed the essence of Joker with that line. And remember, the Nolan Scarecrow works for Ra's Al Ghul from the start. Nolan Joker works for no one but himself, so it will be out of character for him to act as a judge for Bane if it serves no purpose to further the chaos he so craves.

[HasuMasu]

Can't help but wonder how it would've turned out if not for Joker's death.

I feel like it could've been so much better, the way it is now I would no doubt rate The Amazing Spiderman over it.

I'd still rate this over the Avengers movie...but that's not much.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Detective-san

Can't help but wonder how it would've turned out if not for Joker's death.

I feel like it could've been so much better, the way it is now I would no doubt rate The Amazing Spiderman over it.

I'd still rate this over the Avengers movie...but that's not much.

You're right, Det-san. Just like what I said earlier.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Well, for me, it’s not surprising if TDKR can’t surpass TDK, or rather I already anticipate it. One primary reason is that there’s no Heath’s Joker in TDKR that everybody miss. In addition, this TDKR story is not “part of the plan” since the Nolan brothers originally plan The Joker to reappear in the 2nd sequel and most likely end Nolan’s Batman saga. But then, out of respect for Ledger’s towering performance, Nolan scrapped The Joker character altogether and (according to many critics’ reviews that I read) isn’t even mentioned in TDKR, at all. So yeah, Ledger’s death (just like the Joker character that he played) screwed up Nolan’s original plan and forced him to come up with TDKR.

Now, we can only imagine how good will the finale be if Heath is still alive & kickin' to play The Joker. It's like Nolan brothers are playing with handicap here. On second thought, no, I think Nolan brothers are permanently handicapped by Heath's death. So much that they (most probably) can only bring half the potential of the original finale.

Damn! Okay, I'm not blaming Heath for his death of course. If only I have a DeLorean that can travel to the past, I'll go to Heath's room and hide all those medication from his drawer back in 2008 Marty McFly-style .

[antediluvian]

I ended up pitying Bane throughout the movie, especially after the big reveal. He's always been more of an anti-hero. In fact, Bane was once under the idea that he was Bruce's brother. And the character has certainly evolved to more of an anti-hero stance in recent years. He's one of the more complex characters in the series.

Selina really impressed me too. Anne Hathaway did extremely well and stole every scene she was in. Which was very pleasing to me because there needs to be more strong female leads in movies. And the John Blake reveal at the end. Oh my god. I definitely expected it throughout the movie and by the time it occurred, well, I couldn't help rolling my eyes.

All in all, this movie was definitely impressive and on par with the Avengers. I expected that, but still, great movie.

[Haladflire65]

Nolan said a while ago that he wasn't going to mention the Joker at all out of respect for Heath. A lot people have bashed him for that but he's the one who was friends with Heath so we don't really have the right to judge him. I wonder how things could have been different had Heath not passed away. I don't know if two movies in a row with Joker would have worked, though.

I just saw TDKR for the second time. The first time I saw it, I was pretty blown away because of the sheer amount of tension, action and plot reveals thrown at the audience, but the second time around I was a lot calmer and caught more of its flaws than I did before. It definitely doesn't feel as epic on repeat viewings, I think...

Spoiler:

I realized how much I disliked the fact that Blake just knew Batman's identity like he did. Actually, Blake didn't feel like a really necessary character to me - I much preferred Selina over him.

The Taila reveal was fine, too, because a lot of hardcore fans were complaining about how obvious it was - but for us normal moviegoers I thought it was pretty good

Also, how many of you think TDKR was convoluted, storywise? I saw some complaints about that but I thought it was more straightforward than TDK...

Bruce escaping is still my favourite scene. Period.

I still like the movie very much, but I think Batman Begins remains my favourite out of the trilogy.

[kenjiharima]

Wonder how will the Colorado massacre affect the total box office sales of DKR?

Spoiler for story:

I really wish they just didn't beat around the bush to have Blake as Robin in the end and later on probably be NightWing or Batman.
I like him as a character there that supports, but the twist on him being the "Robin" kinda gives me mixed feelings when I think about it.

As for the villain kills. Catwoman kills Bane with a batpod missile while Batman let's the container crash with Thalia in it. It's like Rah Al Ghoul again, "I don't need to save you" like father like daughter. Which is pretty ironic.

Also Batman's EMP electric cannon was shot and broken that easily?

Hoping the Blu-ray version has more deleted scenes or added scenes, I really hoped this movie would have been longer because it ends epic with alot of closures, but there is that feeling that you want more because you know it can give more, but too bad Bale and Nolan doesn't want to do another Batman movie.

Now what lies for the future of Batman movies?

[Ithekro]

You do realise that the movie is nearly 3 hours long (2 hours and 45 minutes).

It didn't feel like it, but getting home from a 1:30 showing and noticing it was 5:00 was kind of a shock.

[Lightning_Wing]

Now what lies for the future of Batman movies?

Hopefully, no more for awhile. Let's hope Hollywood can give some of these characters a rest.

[kramerica]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Wonder how will the Colorado massacre affect the total box office sales of DKR?

Unfortunately, I think it will affect box office sales of TDKR and every big movie opening for a while until the masses calm down over it. Which may take a long time if there is suspect of copycats attempting this.

Also, if there is ever a director's cut of TDKRs that's like 4 hours long I'd be a day one purchase for me :P

[GDB]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Spoiler for Nolan next super hero movie:

Possible Nightwing or Robin? John Blake real Name "Robin" John Blake.

http://i.imgur.com/wI7IO.jpg

Spoiler for Response ala John Blake:

They never said what his full legal name was. All we know is that "Robin" is part of it. Keep in mind that he also said he was in a foster home at one point. Perhaps his name was changed from Robin Grayson to John Blake while there, and then he just kept it for whatever reason, but was legally Robin Grayson?